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Using inverters for emergency power
Instapundit ^ | November 8, 2012 | Glenn Reynolds at 6:07 pm

Posted on 11/08/2012 3:43:18 PM PST by virgil283

"Looking for some low-cost power backup? Given recent storms and the growing number of blackouts, you certainly have company—and perhaps fresh memories of spoiled food, a flooded basement, no heat or air conditioning and (if you have well water) no water for bathing or household chores....We found that inverters can keep at least some of your home’s essentials energized. But you’ll need to prioritize: Even the smaller, 900-watt PW900-12 was able to run a freezer, two refrigerators, two sump pumps, lights, and chargers for various electronics for our staffer at home—but not all at once. ."


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1 posted on 11/08/2012 3:43:19 PM PST by virgil283
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To: virgil283
It's not quite as easy as all of that, and it takes practice.

I've spent 2 years living with, and one year relying on an inverter.

It's not plug and play.

/johnny

2 posted on 11/08/2012 3:49:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: virgil283

I have long been prepared with alternative power sources (four to be exact) and recommend that everyone place at least a small inverter in the emergency supplies. A 400 to 500 watt inverter can be the difference between insanity and a semblance of normalcy in a crisis. Keeping a laptop, a cell phone, or an e reader charged and possibly a modem running is critical.

One word of advice: you get what you pay for with inverters. Don’t expect a Dollar Store device to be reliable when your life may depend on it. Spend $50 and get a decent small inverter.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 3:50:29 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: virgil283

I tried to get one here on Long Island right after Hurricane Sandy - these was not one to be found anywhere.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 3:57:55 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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You’re right Robert —Get a good one— it will pay to have a way to recharge a phone or batteries. I’ve been thinking of installing an extra battery in my truck. There’s a module that lets the vehicle charge both batteries but isolates the second battery so you can use the inverter on it but it keeps the main battery seperate so you can always start the car...


5 posted on 11/08/2012 3:58:33 PM PST by virgil283 (telling the truth is a revolutionary act)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The OP doesn’t sound like he is advocating and off-grid set-up, just a simple means to power small electronics. That is easily done plug and play through a 12v cigarette outlet.

I’m with you in terms of scaling up the system. I’m running nearly 4k watts off a battery bank that is recharged by generator(C4H10, C3H8, or diesel) solar, and or wind. My cabin is completely off the grid and I’ve never struggled for electricity. A system such as this is not plug and play and not for a novice to undertake - it took me a ton of research and some trial and error to get it right. Charging a laptop in your car, on the other hand, is plug and play.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 3:59:04 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: virgil283
Cheap inverters run incandescent lights just fine.

Strongly consider getting a sine wave inverter to run motors (furnace, refrigerator). Sensitive electronics may need something better yet.

7 posted on 11/08/2012 3:59:48 PM PST by Paladin2 (.)
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To: virgil283
If you shop around you can get a good 1200 watt inverter for less than $100. I have a couple of them and they are good to have around in an emergency. You are not going to be able to run any appliances with it, but it is good for charging any batteries, and powering floodlights, a TV or home computer or even a microwave oven.

I wouldn't recommend any inverter over about 1500 watts. You will not be able to power it off of your car battery without heavy cables and even then you will have to keep your engine running. If you are looking for 2500 watts or more you are better off buying a generator.

8 posted on 11/08/2012 4:00:51 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: virgil283

In an automobile, in addition to the isolator for the second battery (which is a great route to go!), you can also add a farad capacitor. A lot of stereo enthusiasts utilize them to stabilize power to amplifiers when the draw spikes. A decent capacitor can be found on Amazon for $100 and will assist with peak and start-up load through the inverter. Good luck, you’re on the right track! Always be prepared.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 4:01:59 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: virgil283

what is that?


10 posted on 11/08/2012 4:09:51 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: All; Kartographer

Although a small 400 watt inverter will not power much, it has bailed my ass out more than once.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:57 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (I prep, therefore I will be.)
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To: RobertClark

I have one under my car seat with two 12v outlets.

Runs computers, vacuums, cell phones, battery chargers, etc.

Love it. Saves me a lot if hassle. When a device gets low on power and I’m on the road I just plug it into the outlet and keep on going while it’s charging.

I have two more for the other cars but I almost never drive them so I haven’t felt the need to install. I’ll use the other cars as backup if need be.


12 posted on 11/08/2012 4:13:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: RobertClark
Sump pumps (as stated in the article) aren't small electronics. Not in my book anyway.

The inductive load on startup of a motor like that can fry a small inverter.

Even one of the little 450 watt units like I have here in the house for easy access requires that you know what your load is, how it starts up, and what effect it has on your equipment.

You can't run a radio off of a square wave inverter very well. ;)

Get an inverter, sure, and practice with it. You can kill batteries, kill inverters, and kill appliances. Sometimes, if you are really lucky, you can do all three, and still leave your brother-in-law alive.

/johnny

13 posted on 11/08/2012 4:13:42 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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14 posted on 11/08/2012 4:14:59 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: RobertClark
A decent capacitor can be found on Amazon for $100

What, they don't junk X-Ray machines anymore? I think that's where my last 2 large caps came from. ;)

/johnny

15 posted on 11/08/2012 4:15:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: virgil283
People around here that live off the grid use propane refrigerators. Propane lamps can be used also. Lots of RVs and campers have Portable power and light.
16 posted on 11/08/2012 4:17:28 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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I agree, I would never put a sump pump on a small inverter. The best rule of thumb is to double your start-up power (IMO). I have a well pump that I run at my cabin that has one heck of a start up draw - fortunately, I don’t use it as a pressurized system (I use it to fill a tank in the beams of my cabin and allow gravity to pressurize my lines).


17 posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:41 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: virgil283

Why just go buy $129 900 watt gas generator at Harbor Freight or Home Depot?


18 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:34 PM PST by hamboy
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To: mountainlion
I modified a chest freezer to utilize as a refrigerator. I use less than 150w per day on it, although the starting load is somewhat higher, on my system it is not a problem. Cold air sinks - stand up refrigerators are horribly inefficient whether propane or electric.

http://www.aselfsufficientlife.com/chest-freezer-to-fridge-conversion-the-most-energy-efficient-fridge-ever.html

19 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:06 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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Back around 1998/1999 at the old ham club, we pooled an bought a gadget that you could plug in (like a shunt, with fancy electronics) that would give you detailed information about whatever you were powering, including start-up cycles, all the majikal trig stuff, and average power consumption over time, etc....

We built a gadget that would handle the startup (duplicating the soft-start circuit, but we didn't know that) and decided, to heck with it, go for a bigger hammer.

/johnny

20 posted on 11/08/2012 4:24:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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