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A RINO [Mitt] running as a yes man conservative (and losing) isn't a rejection of conservatism
11/8/2012 | Laissez-Faire Capitalism

Posted on 11/08/2012 7:22:08 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Hildy

Perfect? That’s crazy. Romney performed well beyond my expectations, but he is far from the perfect candidate for these times. The proof is in the results. He under performed with the base and the unattached voters he supposedly was going to get.

Frankly, I think their entire strategy was flawed. On that, his campaign chief probably deserve a big part of the blame. Mitt on stage was pretty good. The game plan failed. His prevent defense the last few weeks made me think we were winning, but it was simply not true. At best he was even and needed to be aggressive in his ads. They also flopped in their GOTV...in a big way. They assumed the base would show up in mass. Frankly, I did too, but surprisingly turnout was poor.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 7:44:41 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: fwdude

You are living in a dream world.. One that does not exist. If Tuesday did not tell you that, then I do not know what to say to you. Good bye.


22 posted on 11/08/2012 7:45:20 AM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I disagree with your characterization of Mitt, but even if it was true that would still make him a far better choice than Obama.

Trumpet the ‘conservatism didn’t lose’ line all you want, but the ugly truth is something far more basic DID lose. Common sense lost, the ability to comprehend the most basic economic principles lost, the ability to learn from experience lost, being able to perceive reality lost. Do you really think conservatism has a chance when even the current mess doesn’t drive people to try something, anything else and they hold out their hand to government and say gimmie!


23 posted on 11/08/2012 7:48:01 AM PST by Grig
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What they said is what they believe, and that belief is a conservative belief.

You are engaging in false choices, you are deceiving yourself and others.

All of them are conservative and all of them were defeated.


24 posted on 11/08/2012 7:51:50 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Are you saying that Paul Ryan isn’t conservative?

The running mate is a small asset/liability in a presidential contest. Voters are looking at the Presidential candidate primarily. After all, the stupidity of Biden hasn't hurt Obama, and the brilliance of Palin didn't help McCain.

But even Paul Ryan isn't that far right of center. He actually voted FOR ENDA in one vote, for crying out loud! That is anything but staunchly conservative.

Please note that Ryan WON re-election in his district.

Are you saying that Todd Aiken isn’t conservative?

The liberals and their behemoth sold-out media did the dirty on Todd Aiken. He is conservative, but not smart. You need both.

Are you saying that Richard Murdoch isn’t conservative?

See above. But these were also local races, which are a patchwork of very conservative and very liberal areas. Not surprised that St. Louis had an inordinate influence on Aiken's campaign.

Are you saying that Allen West isn’t conservative?

That race's outcome is still inconclusive, isn't it?

Are you saying that Mia Love isn’t conservative?

Again, a local race, and trying to overcome the barrier of the first black woman elected in that state is another factor.

You had best wake up.

I'm fully awake now. The question is, will other conservatives wake up? America is not conservative. Not anymore.

25 posted on 11/08/2012 7:51:50 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

You are lying to yourself.

You are not awake.

The game is over. Prepare.


26 posted on 11/08/2012 7:54:11 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: VanDeKoik
Romney was not a bad candidate. Certainly the most inspiring one we have had since Reagan.

I hope you're joking.

Romney was about as inspiring as burnt toast dipped in a soft boiled egg. Unsalted.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 7:57:08 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Yep. And dozens of FReepers prove the point as they sat out the election on ‘principle,’ giving us—Obama for another 4 years.

I’m supposed to be preparing to retire...instead me and my family will just try to scape by and not become homeless. Thanks Principled conservatives!


28 posted on 11/08/2012 7:58:45 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Psssttt...I've got news for all you “f**k that RINO Romney” folks.Reagan,sadly,wouldn't stand a chance today.Neither would Palin.Why? Because the Rats are winning the demographics war that they began in the mid 60’s with “The War On Poverty” and “Immigration Reform”.For years the Rats,sometimes with Republicans not even lifting a finger to stop them,have worked slowly and methodically to make us a nation of “victims”...a nation of parasites.And they are,at the very least,damn close to having succeeded if not *actually* successful.we are far,*far* closer to Greece than many people realize....and that's *just* the way the Rats want it.
29 posted on 11/08/2012 7:59:18 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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To: chris37
Yes, the game might be over, but it's not because Americans have rejected conservatism, as you propose.

If it is over, it is because the major party that was once the vehicle for conservatism is no longer.

30 posted on 11/08/2012 8:00:39 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Myabe to you, but not to many others.

I’d vote for him again, and proudly so. There is nothing wrong with him and a great deal right with him.

I tell you whom I would not vote for, you or anyone like you.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 8:00:55 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Conservatives know that the lesser of two evils is evil. Liberals roll like pigs in evil as if it were mud.


32 posted on 11/08/2012 8:02:48 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: VanDeKoik

You’ve got to be kidding!

He was so uber-cautious that he didn’t make many verbal gaffes, but he was a big-government technocrat whose idea of repealing Obamacare was to replace it with 50 Romneycares—small difference, all leading to the same nationalized result over time—and who was tripping all over himself to avoid Benghazi and instead praise Obama’s foreign policy through his entire third debate.

He praised the VAT as a possible route for the country, and really was ultimately conservative about nothing except for his right to have made gobs of money via Bain Capital.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: fwdude

You’re wrong. There was conservatism all over the GOP campaign this election cycle, I pointed out numerous examples to you and you foolishly shot them all down in order to maintain your fantasy.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 8:03:38 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Perdogg

And Romney doesn’t explain the utter destruction of Senate candidates. Let’s not go off the deep end here. 1-2% in 3 states and this is a totally different discussion. Let’s keep it reasonable in our approach.

1. Outreach to Hispanics while retaining our core principles.

2. Be more agressive to counter the personal attacks that Republicans suffer at the hands of the Rats.

3. Look for ways to capitalize on a changing electorate, not fear it.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 8:05:42 AM PST by paul544
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To: subterfuge
...dozens of FReepers prove the point as they sat out the election on ‘principle,’ giving us—Obama for another 4 years.

Jettisoning principle for power is the antithesis of conservatism. Real conservatives understand this.

Bravo to all you FReepers who rejected RINO undercover liberal Romney. We repudiated a RINO with the most disgusting alternative. What does that say about RINOism other than that it's WORSE than liberalism?!

36 posted on 11/08/2012 8:08:28 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: chris37

Romney’s back-stabbing of the TEA Party and moral conservatives at the convention said it all.

There is nothing else to say.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 8:11:03 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

What says it all is that two moral conservatives in Aiken and Murdoch got their dicks stomped into the dirt.

I really don’t know what else to tell you. They were honest about their beliefs, and their beliefs were rejected outright, and they always will be.

In fact some are suggesting that those beliefs motivated women to support Obama as they did.

It really doesn’t get anymore “moral conservative” than right to life beliefs, and attempting to tell women that they must have the babies of their rapist because its God’s will or plan or its not the babies fault or any such variation of that is a non starter, it is a game loser and thus the game was lost.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 8:18:51 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Chris, you and I agree on far more than you realize (what's with the "heartless", by the way?).

My point is that the mainstream media has accrued ungodly power over the past 4 years; they no longer have ANY loyalty to the truth, but are simply the mouthpiece for radical liberals. What's tragic is that there are many supposedly conservative viewers/listeners who still naively believe that the news "reports the truth" objectively. My staunchly conservative elderly mother is one of these, and I'm constantly having to correct the thinking that she's been infected with from the news - so much so that she's officially labelled me a skeptic and cynic.

Todd Aiken and Richard Murdoch were "remade" into the false image that the media wanted - completely divorced from the truth. And enough conservatives and independents bought it.

39 posted on 11/08/2012 8:30:09 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Grig
Common sense lost, the ability to comprehend the most basic economic principles lost, the ability to learn from experience lost, being able to perceive reality lost.

No. The truth lost. Obama did not campaign as the socialist he is. And Romney did not campaign as the liberal he is. Both lied. And we all know exactly what both would have done when elected.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 8:30:11 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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