Posted on 11/08/2012 4:31:55 AM PST by Jumper
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It’s people like you who will save this country.
You have to calculate the difference over time and find out where your break even point falls. Five years, for example, at the difference between your 62 rate and your 67 rate. If you wait, how many years away is your break even? Do you reasonably expect to live that long?
I’m also being careful of church donations, even though my church is overwhelmingly working conservatives. But still, we can get caught up in the guilt trip of “giving back” to the community. Well the community can put the cigarettes and beer down, stop buying lottery tickets, keep mass producing children without being married and take care of their own. There... i feel better now.
You will merely be helping them achieve their goal.
” When you go shopping, or out to eat, talk to the help. Many of those people could use some help and probably are living on less income then the welfare recipients. They don’t ever get the donations. And you know they’re working. Leave a large tip, give them a gas card or grocery card or find out what they need or their kids want and surprise them with it. They will appreciate your gift and they won’t feel entitled to it.”
And you thought of this without the almighty government intrusion!!! What a novel idea!!!
This is where I feel most of our donations should ACTUALLY go. People who are trying their best to help themselves need help.
Thank you for stating this. If people are working hard, yet are not earning a lot, especially in this horrid economy, they will truly appreciate the gifts and feel encouraged to continue doing the right thing.
I love your reply, and it should be mine as well for thinking it crazy; however in hindsight Bush giving Obama the initial QE Bailout fast tracked is the only thing that prevented this presidents administration from enacting Global Warming Treaties, shutting down US natural energy, and other spending on crusades. Knowing full well that a government program never dies, and that new ones constantly muscle in for funding... we who did not vote for it should take what is currently available in order to prevent the new crusades from finding new revenue.
I love your reply, and it should be mine as well for thinking it crazy; however in hindsight Bush giving Obama the initial QE Bailout fast tracked is the only thing that prevented this presidents administration from enacting Global Warming Treaties, shutting down US natural energy, and other spending on crusades. Knowing full well that a government program never dies, and that new ones constantly muscle in for funding... we who did not vote for it should take what is currently available in order to prevent the new crusades from finding new revenue.
I love your reply, and it should be mine as well for thinking it crazy; however in hindsight Bush giving Obama the initial QE Bailout fast tracked is the only thing that prevented this presidents administration from enacting Global Warming Treaties, shutting down US natural energy, and other spending on crusades. Knowing full well that a government program never dies, and that new ones constantly muscle in for funding... we who did not vote for it should take what is currently available in order to prevent the new crusades from finding new revenue.
This is simply the Cloward-Piven strategy, and would only result in what Cloward and Liven wanted: more socialism. Don’t be stupid. Should the system be overloaded they will blame the market, and the people will believe them.
You imagine that if the producers become takers there’ll be nothing left to take. So what? Haven’t we always said equality of income is equality of poverty? We’ve seen this before. The population of the Soviet Union, Red China, etc. lived like slaves at subsistence level, if they weren’t politically connected or murdered, for decades and decades. Not that we’ll go so far here. But it will benefit you to know that there is no bottom, not really. To get to 91 Russia had to go through 20, 36, 42, and so on, bottoms that we can hardly even imagine.
“you paid into the system”
No I didn’t. I paid taxes, and that money was paid to someone else. There is no “system.” That’s only what they want you to think, and even they admit it’s a lie. You are a fool to think it. When you receive benefits all you’re doing is taking somebody else’s money. Yours is gone.
This is a really bad idea. Being a taker is corrosive of one’s character. It will corrupt you and your family. Walk away from the system if you must, don’t let it kill your soul.
“that comes after no one knows”
I have an idea. We haven’t had any collapse so complete as you describe, but every trough of the business cycle since the New Deal, some of which were close to a total collapse, has resulted in more government, except perhaps 81. But that wasn’t fundamentally smaller government, just temporarily different government. Why should I expect anything different?
What are the nearest approaches to total collapse in the relatively recent past? Germany and Russia in the 20s, both of whom experienced war deprivation and hyperinflation. Both emerged with Bigger Government, Russia after the stutter step of the New Economic Policy, and Germany in 32 by handing over their republic to the Nazis.
It is true the downfall of Rome resulted in less government. But civilization went with it. It’s an open question whether civilization is preferable to other ways of living. I still value it.
This is about keeping the growth of programs and proposals from happening because the current programs are overtaxing the ability of government in real time. People do this by finding out from government what is available and availing themselves of every opportunity.
You would advocate the same for a business seeking tax deductions. Unfortunately today those very deductions will be reduced and that money used to fund even more discressionary or questionable spending. It is time to stop the growth of programs by making sure each person gets what the President and his followers call the fair share - it is stupid for nearly 1/2 of the electorate to dismiss the benefits and then try to vote against them.
Competing with the Democrats for the very dollars they vote themselves will make it imperative that those programs themselves start to shrink, before new ones evolve.
But you have witnessed what taking the money from the government has done to the Democratic constituency. How it has robbed them of ambition, work ethic, responsibility, etc. How ithas created a culture of dependency, nihilism, and hedonism, that will be motivated for nothing but showing up on Election Day to keep the trough flowing.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that you can do what they do, and not be affected the same way.
That's what I said. If you're looking for an argument for the sake of an argument, go comment to someone else. Don't hair split with me, I have no time for that.
"paid into the system" is cliche, not literal. Geez!
BTW, you wanna buy a tunnel
“’paid into the system’ is cliche, not literal”
Cliches can be taken literally; I think you mean a figure of speech. Most people, I think, mean that phrase literally. That’s how cliches usually become cliches: by being excepted as true for a long time.
I don’t know why I was supposed to guess you were being facetious, especially since the prima facie meaning fit your use of it as justification for grabbing government goodies.
I did not write the article nor did I post it. I understand the point of the article and understand where the author is coming from. We tax payers have paid into the system (and yes I say it again)but we will get none of it because it's going to others who are taking advantage of it. Some say they are actually the smart ones. I can see their point also.
I saw a taker on my way to work. A Somali in a Lexus with LIVE TV playing in his nice expensive car on the backs of the front seats for the rear passengers to watch. They were probably on their way to the casino to gamble off the money I'm going to work to pay for. That IS a system. A system that is no friend of America. A system developed to work against you and me. But it is a system. It's working as planned and Obama's going to tweek it to work even "better".
As far as my so called "justification for grabbing government goodies". I justified nothing. You may have noticed that I understood the reasons why we should NOT jump on the taker wagon. One of them being that one is limited to what he can make, and dreams and goals are shattered by grabbing government goodies. That is no justification unless you have no dreams or goals in life.
My job brings me to the poor sections once a month. That's where I get to see all of the new hi-tech gadgets comng out, satellite TV on every roof and the latest car models.
The whole point is that the whole SYSTEM is working against prosperity. That's the point.
Instead of attacking others on the same team, it's time to target the issues.
Working within the existing political framework, conservatives taking a fair share of current programs will prevent enactment and new programs, just as in the case of W putting one over on O'bambie by helping him spend the money.
Another point is that by electing Obama who is the handout president, less than 1/2 the nation benefits - so I am saying that if you qualify for any existing program take you fair share and this will prevent Obama from doing more long term damage with new social welfare handout programs. The Dem's will never have expected to see conservatives take a fair share which will put pressure on them to now reform programs for their own voters - hand outs are not just for Democrats although we as conservatives usually would not consider, or have time to become educated on programs like these. The second part of this discussion was to have FREEPERS list all the programs they are aware of so that intuitive minds might see opportunities for political dissent or to figure out ways to short circuit Obama's constituency freebies.
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