Posted on 11/07/2012 9:28:21 PM PST by FortWorthPatriot
I just posted this on Facebook a couple of minutes ago. There is some talk of secession amongst some of my fellow Texans there. I wanted to put my post here as well to get opinions on it. Thank you for your patience.
It can be done. And we can “Go Galt” at the same time. The key to this is cutting off the east and west coast geographically while at the same time cutting off lines of trade and natural resources to the two coasts.
As Lois stated, we need to split the country in half, literally. In order to do this we would need an alliance of at least the following six states: Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, and North Dakota. These six states would create a geographical barrier between the east and west coasts of the United States from Canada to Mexico.
It is also convenient that these states have traditionally voted Republican for years and most importantly have also been derided over the years as being “flyover” country by those on the coasts even though the coasts depend upon these states for food, oil, gas, and other resources.
Although these resources may be available on the coasts, given the governments of those states they would have difficulty getting them from the field to the cities. Fuel would become scarce as they would not have the refineries needed to make gas. I also don’t believe they have enough acreage for farming to sustain their needs.
It would be fitting if we could get seven (7) more states (Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, Wyoming and Idaho) allied in the beginning as they are also part of “flyover” land and traditionally vote republican. This would give us 13 states in which the “restoration” of the United States would begin. Thirteen states. Fitting.
On that note, let me make this abundantly clear – I am NOT advocating a revolution against or secession from the United States. The goal is to cut off and isolate the coasts for a long enough period of time so that eventually they begin to understand that they need us to survive so that they have no choice but to concede and restore the Union. This would be our “Going Galt.”
So we get these 6 to 13 states allied, what do we do then? First, we seal the southern U.S. border, more than 50% of which is along the Texas-Mexico border. The Allied States would not need federal funds or permission to seal the border so it would be done quickly and correctly. The flow of illegal immigrants would then be channeled through New Mexico, Arizona and California.
At this point in time, we may have the states of Utah and Arizona in the Alliance, so we could seal the Arizona-Mexico border as well, constricting the flow of illegal immigrants even tighter through the narrow gaps along the borders of California and New Mexico. Then we begin purging all illegal immigrants out of the Allied States. I don’t think that will be too difficult as many will leave voluntarily as they did when Arizona began enforcing federal immigration laws last year.
Secondly, since we hold the majority of natural resources, we begin upgrading and building new refineries throughout the Allied States. If we have Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas as part of the Alliance, we control the bulk of offshore drilling platforms in the Gulf. We ignore any federal agencies such as the EPA and begin drilling. Drill in the Gulf, drill inland. Drill, baby, drill.
Third, we set up a trade agreement between the Allied States and Canada and get that pipeline built. This would get Alaska into the Alliance if she hasn’t already jumped on board by now. The only reason I haven’t so far included Alaska in this scenario is because she would be isolated from us and vulnerable, hence the need to get Canada on board with us. And I believe that Canada would help us as they understand they need the United States to protect them. They would also rather deal with common sense than with Washington. No need to trade with Mexico – what do they have that we can’t produce here?
What about the military? What if Washington decides to move troops against the Allied States? First, I think that if such an order were to be given a majority of military leaders would refuse to obey. As I said before, this action is not a revolution or secession – I am not advocating an armed resistance against Washington. This is a passive act of ignoring the coasts in order to force them to realize that they need us to survive and that they will have to play ball our way in order to do so.
But what if some troops do move against us? Well, I believe that in the beginning of all this, we seize all military bases and assets within the Allied States. We explain to the military personnel at those bases exactly what our goal is – the restoration of the United States of America – and I believe they will join us. If not they are free to leave. Command and control of these units would need to be restructured under the temporary leadership of the Allied States.
Naval forces at sea willing to join us would have the Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi coasts in which to harbor. If necessary, we can ask for military support (boots on the ground) from long time allies such Canada, England, and Australia, which would have a vested interest in the quick and peaceful restoration of the United States of America. Washington may threaten them with sanctions but they would have the Allied leadership with which to negotiate alternatively.
And we can build our own military as well. In addition to any U.S. military personnel within the Allied borders who join us during implementation of the “Galt Maneuver”, this military would consist of all National Guard units that are not currently deployed, any and all State Guard units throughout the Allied States, and volunteers consisting primarily of former or retired military. I would probably be one of them.
What about those conservatives living in states isolated by the Allied States? Help relocate them to the Allied States if they wish to do so. There is plenty of room for them here and they have the same goals as we do. If they prefer to stay where they are until it is all over, encourage and support them as they work to convince their state leadership to concede. The goal is to leave the liberals to take care of themselves and see how long that lasts.
Then we trade only with those states within the Alliance and with Canada, and with any other country in the world who wishes to trade with us. As time goes by, states along the Allied border would start negotiating with us for resources. One by one, we bring them back into the fold. Working state by state on contiguous borders until the entire Union is restored.
Is this far-fetched? Maybe. But I strongly believe we need to do something NOW in order to preserve the United States of America. If anyone else has any better ideas, I’m more than willing to listen.
NOTE: If I suddenly disappear from the face of the earth within the next couple of days, well then they have read this post and I am either in prison somewhere or dead. If so, ride out to meet them. Take the fight to them.
God bless us all.
Thanks. Though it’s not something anyone likes to read here, your sentiment is understandable.
Secession will instigate a Civil War. But that’s OK as long as you are prepared.
The previous Civil War was won because manufacturing was held in the North(high tech weaponry) and agriculture was held in the south(food/cotton/etc). The Union had the technology, but the Confederacy had the strategy.
With a secession today, the weakness is held equally in the high tech accessibility. Large cities are the weak point, and with no food, will collapse within a month.
The technology is negated in this case, and where it isn’t equal, population can mitigate it. Having access to farm land is more important this time, because both sides are carrying the same hardware. The ability to grow food long term will trump weapons. An army moves on it’s stomach.
It would end up being a war between city and country, not simply States. At some point(immediately after they attack preferably) the middle of the US would have to go on the offensive and attack one side, and defend the other. Then switch it.
Having troops crawling in from all sides is untenable long term. You will be picked apart. You have to remove the threat, unless they decide to stand down- which they can’t, because they need your resources and your property.
So it’s a good plan, but understand where it will put you 3 steps in. War on all sides. Before you contemplate that maneuver you must be ready for a mass offensive beforehand.
This is a question you would need to propose to a military man like Gen. McChrystal or General Ham. This would need to be planned with 3 options open for every move taken. You can’t wing that. You need a military historian and/or an experienced military man to put that together to minimize loss.
There is also another scenario, where other Nations like China or Russia, seeing what’s happening, will vaporize the coastal cities to end the war and neutralize the threat the Occupied US Government poses to their Countries. But that would come later. This is possible, but understand the goal and how to attain it.
However, the constitution provides a mechanism whereby states may call a constitutional convention for the purpose of adding, modifying, or removing amendments.
One option would be for the states to call such a convention for the sole purpose of removing the 16th amendment which provides for the collection of individual income taxes. This amendment allows for the full measure of the federal government to be brought against individual income earners and removed the states as intermediaries.
Remove this amendment and the federal beast risks starvation by biting the hand of the states who feed it...
Do it NOW, while we still have a super majority of "red" states (if still true).
How are you going to deal with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3?
Congress shall have power: to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes
Okay, understood.
By the way I also wanted to clarify that I was addressing the general overall sentiment some might be feeling, and nothing specific with regards to the discussion.
“Have you lost your mind? Such an action would be treason.”
So what would you recommend? Just bend over? It’s no more treason than what goes on in D.C. every day... All the states have to do is ask the military to leave and they would. The states would seize property through state court action. It would be contested by the feds but would take years to settle. I don’t see a problem here.
“And what about your family or even your spouse who are dems. Do you just walk away from them?”
A civil war like before would not be possible today. First, the states that wanted to succeed did not start it. The union did by sending troops. Families were not dispersed the way they are today, and they didn’t have the communications that we have today. Opposing succession by force would be off the table.
Your family and spouse that may be dems would be just fine. That one thing would help make it work.
Can you add Louisiana to your list. We had 70% voter turn out and we voted 60% - 40% for Romney
Exactly, and by doing so, force it back into its constitutional cage. The federal government gets its power over the states from direct funding from business, individuals, bills and recently printing money out of thin air.
Finding state legislatures with the cajones to call such a convention is another matter. Amendments have been abolished before though (i.e. prohibition).
If Texas does it I will move. Will cost me $50K to get out of my house and I’ll take a pay cut, but I will move.
The term should be “shrugging,” not “going Galt.”
“I wish we could make a conservative barter market and stop using any form of currency”
Why, when we have gold? Unless possession will be outlawed like in the 30s.
You mean another VAT tax. We already have one. It’s called the corporate tax.
Absolutely horrid, and I’m an advocate for the peaceful breakup of the states.
For one thing, restricting trade across borders is never a good idea and never produces the intended results. “If goods don’t cross borders, soldiers will.” —Frederic Bastiat
If the US breaks up, then free and unrestricted trade has to be maintained between the precipitate countries. I suggest you pick up a copy of Sowell’s “Basic Economics” and read it cover to cover.
Also, you are weirdly optimistic about how other countries will respond to your scenario. If a red state secession or quasi-secession happens, the best case scenario is that every other nations laughs at the poor little Jesusland full of rednecks and gun freaks that will be begging to join the blue states within five years. I’m not saying that’s how it is, I’m saying that’s how it will be perceived by Canada, the UK, etc.
Restricting trade is socialism’s twin, they are both big-government interventions into the market. It’s sad to see so many people calling themselves capitalists who want to close borders, which is the antithesis of the free market. You people have swallowed the unions’ propaganda about free trade.
Yeah let’s barter instead of using currency. And let’s also live in caves and eat raw bison.
No medium of exchange=no modern economy. Try running a semiconductor factory while paying your engineers in butter and your vendors in salt.
That isn’t my point.
Shut the factory. Galt is the topic of the thread.
maybe silver, but gold is too much for many items even in the smallest coin.
“gold is too much for many items even in the smallest coin”
Yes, but banks could issue notes based on it, and our mini-republic could either outlaw fractional reserves or open it up to the free market and let banks with varyingly risky loaning policies compete with each other. Bartering would never remain pure barter, anyway, for very long. Soon we’d be batering by proxy, or trading in signifiers of goods, be it warehouse receipts or whatever.
We could use scrip, what are basically IOUs, which actually happened locally in various towns during the Great Depression.
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