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I Congratulate No One
Myself | The Day After | JessDuntno

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:30:19 AM PST by jessduntno

I congratulate no one. I am deeply distressed. I take hope from the knowledge that we are not yet past the tipping point, that the margin of victory was so slim, that half of us, at least, will continue to point to the fiscal and social wreckage of the past four years as it becomes the tragedy of the next four. I hope that we will be able to correct our course away from a European Socialist inspired "Progressive" society. I hope we have the strength of our Founders and enough belief left in a higher power to put the pieces together and return America to be the free Republic it once was, one nation, under God and once again, as we were for so many years, the hope of the free world. Let's not be divided against one another, seek no revenge or encourage no takeover of our economic and personal responsibilities and rights. Shun any person who encourages enriching any person or institution at the unwilling expense of any other, under any pretense, but especially under the guise of patriotism.

"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."" --Abraham Lincoln, our first Republican President, in his first inaugural speech.


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1 posted on 11/07/2012 9:30:21 AM PST by jessduntno
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To: jessduntno
Take heart! The job for lovers of liberty has just begun!

On another thread today, the question is posed: What do we need to do differently?" Good question!

A nation robbed by "progressives" of its constitutional understanding--that is the primary reason we are continuing on the road to tyranny under deficit, debt, and government control! The secondary reason is the GOP's failure to use its billion-dollar campaign to focus like a laser on educating voters!

During the primary season, one of my FR posts stated the following in response to a Jonah Goldberg comment about Romney:

Sorry, Jonah, but this is not as simple as "not speaking the language (of conservatism) naturally." When a person is steeped in the ideas of Jefferson, Adams, Madison, and Washington, it just "naturally" slips through in the ideas they convey. Remember Reagan?

Do Republicans seriously want to conserve America's constitutional principles? Or, are they just objecting to Democrats? Do they have a passion for liberty? Is this just about changing the Party in power, or is it about preserving freedom?

If their concern is for convincing enough voters to reject the idea of "a government big enough to give you everyting you want" and turn to advocacy for "a government small enough to allow you freedom to keep most of what you earn," then they'd better get busy seeing that someone is nominated who has been "marinated" (to use a word coined by Ingraham last night on "The Factor") in the Founders' ideas (isn't that what conservatives purport to "conserve"?).

So far (February 2012), Mitt Romney, though a good man, demonstrates no such "immersion." He has been "successful" in benefiting from those ideas, and he recites familiar words and phrases from patriotic speeches and songs, but that is different from understanding and being able to call up and articulate the philosophy which made such success possible.

Ronald Reagan's life and letters reveal that he had "immersed" himself in those ideas for years before he agreed to run for President, and that is why he could set "issues" in light of constitutional "principle." and explain his advocacy or rejection of solutions in by that light.

The other three candidates in the Primary--Paul, Santorum, Gingrich--couch their answers to questions in a manner which indicates personal pursuit and understanding of the Constitution's protections, each in his own way.

Of the two so-called "frontrunners," however, the lifetime history scholar, teacher, legislator, and participant in what was called "the Reagan revolution," appears to be the one most likely to be able to successfully articulate and distinguish those ideas to voters, if given the chance to compete with the "counterfeit ideas" of tyranny cloaked in righteous benevolence by Obama.

Is "politics as usual" to win the day, or might we not bring Gingrich, Santorum, Paul, and others who embrace founding principles together to help to create a "passion" for liberty among citizens sufficient to defeat the counterfeit ideas which are leading the Republic to ruin?

The following is excerpted from "Our Ageless Constitution," p. 181:

"It was John Adams who said: "The foundation of every government is some principle or passion in the minds of the people." Clearly, the Founders' passion was liberty, and in order to secure that liberty, they sought out and incor­porated into the United States Constitution those ideas and principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence.

"The French historian, Guizot, once asked James Russell Lowell, "How long will the American republic endure?" Lowell replied: "As long as the IDEAS of the men who founded it continue dominant."

"Herein lies the answer to the question, "Will the Experiment Succeed?"

"It can and will succeed IF the motivating "principle or passion in the minds of the people" is LIBERTY, and if that passion causes them to exert the determination and will to complete the needed restoration of the IDEAS upon which the great American experiment was based." ---(End of excerpted material)

My call to the GOP and all lovers of liberty is the same as then! To rediscover and recover liberty from the hands of those who are turning America into just another failing nation dominated by a government-over-people ideology, a determined and massive education effort should begin November 7, 2012, focused on the teaching of the fundamental principles essential to the survival of individual liberty for a people.

2 posted on 11/07/2012 9:35:29 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: jessduntno

The margin of victory was slim? Hardly.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 9:35:44 AM PST by Misterioso ("Do you like Ayn Rand?" "Kinda, how 'bout you?" "Well, I grew beyond her." "Oh, me too, just today.")
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To: jessduntno
"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies."

These are the words of a gracious victor, not your average American progressive.

Its very hard for me not to consider people enemies who clearly consider me one.

4 posted on 11/07/2012 9:36:47 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Misterioso

“The margin of victory was slim? Hardly.”

58,720,700 (50.1%) to 56,145,950 (48.4%)

Less than 2 percent. Also known as slim. I was discussing people, not electoral college.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 9:40:03 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: loveliberty2
. . . focused on the teaching of the fundamental principles essential to the survival of individual liberty . . .

For me, that would be Ayn Rand's Objectivist philosophy. Nothing less will work.

6 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:43 AM PST by Misterioso ("Do you like Ayn Rand?" "Kinda, how 'bout you?" "Well, I grew beyond her." "Oh, me too, just today.")
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To: jessduntno

7 posted on 11/07/2012 9:41:57 AM PST by Baynative
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To: jessduntno

The “Will” of the American military to protect our nation died 9/11/2012 in a shithole called Benghazi.

Our Commander in Chief was AWOL, then gutless, and a pathological liar. Same for the Secy of State, Defense, etc.

The head of the Jt. Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Dempsey, is a politically correct useless POS. He abandoned Americans in the field and left them to die.

He should have quit immediately when Obama refused to help the Benghazi Four, if he had any honor. He didn’t, and he doesn’t.

My son is a combat veteran of Iraq, and for the first time since his service there, he is pissed off to the point of saying so.

He still serves our country in another capacity where his life is on the line protecting our government and one of its high-ranking leaders (who has disdain for his security people). But how can you ask him to take a bullet for a country that just shit on those who served, are serving, or who died in the line of duty for a country (50%) and president who also disdain them, won’t support them properly, or lead them in a time of war?

I saw our best and brightest in Vietnam and Cambodia. I don’t see our “best and brightest” leading America today, and tomorrow may be too late for the necessary change.

America had her best chance yesterday to redeem itself, and it failed.

God help us, because 50% of Americans won’t.

MadMax, Vietnam journalist, 1970


8 posted on 11/07/2012 9:45:23 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: jessduntno

A slim victory. Running a hard-core Marxist against a flip-flopping RINO.

Just imagine the Obama landslide if a true American conservative had been running. Not that I know of any, but if we were to take the very best qualities of Palin, Newt, and Bachmann and add them into a reincarnation of Ronald Regan and run THAT person as our candidate????

Obozo would take all 50 states.

Face it. America is no longer interested in values based Constitutional values. The 47 percenters, the media elite, the Unionists, the Latino voters, and all the rest have spoken:

Forward! On to a crumbling European society! Infested with Sharia values for all!


9 posted on 11/07/2012 9:52:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: loveliberty2

How do we educate the ignorant, the welfare greedy, the entitlement greedy, the irredentists, the delusional, and the marxists? There aren’t enough universities and teachers in the world to do this.

We have to wage an “educational guerrilla war” against the liberal/marxist Left establishment, taking them down one brick at a time until the whole “progressive movement” collapses into one big trash-heap.

Then we will have shovel ready jobs, removing their crap to the landfills of history.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 9:52:07 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: skeeter

I agree with you. The left absolutely despises us in spite of the fact that we are paying most of the bills. It is very difficult to consider those who want to destroy everything that makes us human and good as friends.

Should we continue to toil and feed those who wish us dead and want revenge for providing the food that keeps them moving? Is there any common ground to be found? Do they not love their children as much as we love ours. Are they not trying to safe guard a future for them? Destroying us will not make their lives any better but as I seriously think about it, their destruction would surely make ours better.

Is their any hope of educating the hordes of third world immigrants to the ideals of a constitutional republic. Are they even open to listening? It seems to me that the vast majority of these individuals come here for freebies not freedom.

Personally I’m open to suggestion but experience tells me that the left is not listening and the masses have no use for freedom if it is not free. They will not appreciate their lives of abundance until it magically disappears and when it does they will blame us not the government.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by formosa
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To: jessduntno

303 (56.3%) to 206 (38.3%) out of 538 with 29 (5.39%) outstanding is not exactly a huge mandate either, though I do have to take issue with you rejecting the electoral college. If you believe in the founders and the constitution then you necessarily have to accept that they put the electoral college in place for a reason. If you want the US to return to constitutional rule of law then part of that is the elector college.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 9:59:12 AM PST by Benjamin Tappan
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To: Benjamin Tappan

Wed Nov 07 2012 09:40:03 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) · 5 of 12
jessduntno to Misterioso
“The margin of victory was slim? Hardly.”

58,720,700 (50.1%) to 56,145,950 (48.4%)

Less than 2 percent. Also known as slim. I was discussing people, not electoral college.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 10:06:37 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

we are not sure what to do here in Central CT. We supported three candidates ... all of the right, all pro-life

1. Candidate #1, won by 277 votes vs. 18-year lefty NARAL Green incumbent.

2. Candidate #2, freshman state Senator, lost 50.1% to 49.9%.

3. Candidate #3, open seat. In recount due to machine error. We expect to win.

this is in DEM leaning area of CT, in the deep “blue” CT in areas Obambi won big.

What should our attitude be? No gloating. Don’t need congratulations. We do not apologize for winning.

We paid attention to our own business, campaigned and avoided the hysteria of the national race. Which we had no way of being involved in. Tell me, was it worth it? or should we throw in the towel now that we’ve won a couple?


14 posted on 11/07/2012 10:39:20 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: jessduntno
I know alot of FReepers are feeling down. Everything comes in cycles and it will get better.

I know Obama sucks as a President, but he happens to be probably the best campaigner of our generation.

The GOP just happened to run into that.

This was the Dems golden child and his numbers were close to Bush 2004. That's the good news, there's no candidate for the Dems who will ever bring in numbers like that again. I know lots of FReepers are bringing up the demographic shift, but that too will not be enough for the Dems in the near future when someone other than Obama is running. Throw in the economy will be in the toilet for the next few years and your gonna have a real 'change' here soon.

15 posted on 11/07/2012 10:41:10 AM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“We paid attention to our own business, campaigned and avoided the hysteria of the national race. Which we had no way of being involved in. Tell me, was it worth it? or should we throw in the towel now that we’ve won a couple?”

Well, I would say that you have doubts about your accomplishments. that’s too bad. Better to be a happy warrior than a doubter. Worked for RR. Keep moving FORWARD towards restoring our Republic and bringing others with you. Teach the young the folly of Statism...

I think we do better when we focus on our performance. I have never been more effective at anything than when I was focused on playing my best game, not watching them play theirs, whether it was football, baseball, hockey, business or golf.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 10:59:02 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: skeeter

“Its very hard for me not to consider people enemies who clearly consider me one.”

A very wise man once said: “I don’t like anyone who doesn’t like me.”


17 posted on 11/07/2012 10:59:02 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: formosa

Republicans create jobs and thus income. Democrats create no jobs other than those that are dependent upon the taxes taken from the income generated by the jobs the Republicans create. Republicans can survive quite nicely without Democrats; however, Democrats cannot survive at all without Republicans.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:59 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

“A very wise man once said: “I don’t like anyone who doesn’t like me.”

I am completely indifferent to those who don’t like me. It confuses and confounds them. Sometimes it infuriates them. The opposite of the expected reaction is usually the best defense. Besides, then you are totally in control if attacked. Then you kill them. With indifference.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 11:08:21 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

There is a huge difference between “not liking” and “disliking.” “Not liking” is passive and unemotional, and simply means that you neither like nor dislike someone or something; i.e., indifference. “Disliking,” on the other hand, is active, and means you intentionally choose a position that expresses disfavor towards somneone or something.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 11:23:37 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

“Disliking,” on the other hand, is active, and means you intentionally choose a position that expresses disfavor towards somneone or something.”

Lets just agree to disagree. I have a number of people in my work life I dislike intensely...but they do not get any different treatment and would be quite surprised to know it.


21 posted on 11/07/2012 11:34:46 AM PST by jessduntno ("Socialism only works...in Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they have it." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

Ah, but YOU know it. But, if it comes off to them as you being indifferent, all the better (because NOTHING enrages a liberal more than someone being indifferent to them; it tells them they are the empty voids that they are, complete nulls, as deserving of attention as a minute speck of dust).


22 posted on 11/07/2012 2:19:27 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: jessduntno

I think my point was: what do victories gain us, if the Freeperworld is not interested in them? They follow politics like a soap opera. Half the people on here are not actively supporting any candidate and many of the others support “pipe dream” candidates that never had a chance.

I have nothing in common with conservatives who seek to “go down to glorious defeat.” Is there a name for this syndrome? It’s ok to support a Christine O’Donnell on occasion, but if everybody on Freeper supported nothing but losers, ya think maybe they are doing something wrong? Ya think? I know people here in Ct who year after year find a Christine O’Donnell and they never learn but instead are more determined to finally get it right with the latest version of Christine.

There were 100’s of teaparty folks in CT ... none of their candidates got 40%! They made a priority of taking out 10-term Rosa DeLauro in New Haven ... and lost 75% to 25% and the candidates who were in battles and ended with 48% ... nobody showed up. Long-shot celebrity candidates are more exciting.

I resigned from the right-wing “cult of defeat” in 2002. My only relapse was when I went to New Hampshire this year to try to get something going for Newt or Santorum.

Again, what is the name for this philosophy?


23 posted on 11/07/2012 4:23:58 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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