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It has already started.(Panic buying or wise purchases?)

Posted on 11/07/2012 9:09:17 AM PST by rustyboots

Taken from the Tactical Defense Solutions LLC Website:

Welcome to the "New Reality".......

I've stayed as far away from all of it as I could. I haven't posted regarding politics, in fact its been a concerted effort to not even log in. This morning the majority of "us" woke to the almost sickening reality that for more reasons than I care to discuss or even think about - "we" now find ourselves balanced and teetering on the jagged edge of.......... w ell, you can pick the word(s).

Within minutes of arriving this glorious morning I received a screenshot of a major distributors AR inventory. After answering a few calls and emails, I opened another screenshot taken 30 minutes after the first. The quantity in stock was now ZERO.

Here's what one major distributor had to say this morning: "As things become harder to come by I will try to stay ahead of the curve if possible to make sure you have a chance to buy them before they run out. After AR’s the next thing to go is AR ammo, but unfortunately we never had any .223 to start with. Then it spreads to things like cheap .308, 7.62X39, etc… then the pistol calibers. Eventually high capacity HG’s will follow. This is all assuming that the same pattern follows from 2008. I hope it does not for the record, but the AR’s are obviously following the same pattern. I do not want people to buy on fear but be smart for your business and get what you think is necessary. We are also coming into the holiday and then the tax season so that gives you a little margin for error in purchasing."

So here's a couple thoughts that I'd like to leave you all with:

We all knew this was possible. We all knew this was probable. We all knew. We knew and although knowing somehow (based on sales numbers) stuck our heads in the sand or somewhere dark and moist until the last couple days. Once the sucking sound of our heads being pulled out subsided, we found that there wasn't anything left to lay hands on and nothing that could be done to change the outcome.

"We" as a nation (face it, its true) decided its better to trade 4 more years of deadlock and stagnation for any form of progress. "We" as a nation decided to trade our rights and freedoms for Governmental programs, stimulus schemes, and all the hope we can hold in our unemployed hands. "We" as a nation once again were given the choice of voting for shit or shinola and we wonder how it all went south.

I realize that this isn't pictures of silly shit. This isn't something that can be digested in the 3.2 seconds of attention span that the American populous has been reduced to. This isn't entertainment. But then again it IS what "We the people" have brought upon ourselves, and perhaps unfortunately, it's what "WE" asked for...........


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 11/07/2012 9:09:20 AM PST by rustyboots
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To: rustyboots

No surprises here. Someone in last night’s live election thread mentioned going today to purchase a few firearms. My response to him was: “Better go early.”


2 posted on 11/07/2012 9:16:42 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

what is “AR”?


3 posted on 11/07/2012 9:20:59 AM PST by cherry
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To: rustyboots

I bought ammo online at 5:30am. The seller is out now.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 9:22:49 AM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: cherry
Just consulted with my expert husband on this very question. 'AR' refers to automatic rifles, to inclide semi-automatic. Anyone feel free to correct me if I got it wrong.
5 posted on 11/07/2012 9:29:02 AM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: ArmyTeach
(that's include, not inclide.
6 posted on 11/07/2012 9:31:54 AM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: ArmyTeach
(that's include, not inclide.
7 posted on 11/07/2012 9:32:18 AM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: rustyboots

Things to buy:
1-ammo, lots of it
2- gold, all you can afford
3- can goods and MREs
4- more ammo


8 posted on 11/07/2012 9:33:03 AM PST by TonyM
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To: cherry

There’s a related reference to .223 ammunition (roughly the same as 5.56 x 54mm NATO caliber), so “AR” as shown here is short for “AR-15”. Looks to be the generic sense of the name, not just the Colt products that actually bear that model name.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 9:34:25 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ArmyTeach

“AR” is an abbreviation for “Armalite”, the company that bought the original M-16 rifle design from Eugene Stoner. It does not stand for “automatic” or “assault rifle”.

I think that we’re seeing panic buying of ARs, and it’s dumb. Obama will not touch domestic arms or ammunition - too many jobs. Moreover, with the wars coming to a close, there is a lot of surplus production capacity for ARs and 5.56 ammunition, and a lot of surplus 5.56 ammunition.

Now, imported rifles...I think that’s a different story.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 9:35:25 AM PST by altsehastiin
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To: cherry
what is AR?

Google is your friend.

11 posted on 11/07/2012 9:35:44 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: cherry
Most believe AR means "assault rifle".

AR does NOT stand for Assault Rifle, as is commonly believed. AR stands for the original company that manufactured it, ArmaLite. ArmaLite sold their rights to the AR-10 and AR-15 designs in 1959 to Colt.

12 posted on 11/07/2012 9:36:23 AM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: TonyM

Ok, I am going to show my extreme ignorance here, but I don’t know a thing about firearms, etc. Where would I begin, as to learning about them, purchasing, etc? I am blissfully ignorant. Help me out, here, as I fear that I’m going to need this information. Thanks.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 9:36:38 AM PST by MasonGal
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To: Charles Martel
These are variations of the AR-15 platform:


14 posted on 11/07/2012 9:39:16 AM PST by Lockbar (America is gone)
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To: ArmyTeach

If I am not mistaken the AR is in reference to the company that designed and built the M-16. The company was “ArmaLite.”


15 posted on 11/07/2012 9:40:59 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: TonyM

Been doing that for almost 4 years now. Wife is canning too. I just don’t buy gold, get silver instead. While good, gold may tend to be too “valuable” to really use for barter. But to each his own.
Gun show this weekend, ammo, primers, powder, and silver. And I was almost debt free!!!! LOL


16 posted on 11/07/2012 9:43:03 AM PST by rustyboots
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To: altsehastiin
Obama will not touch domestic arms or ammunition - too many jobs.

You're kidding, right? He's already talked about bringing back the assault weapons ban, his EPA is going after lead and he's also prattling on about cheap handguns (saturday night specials - lol). The 2A is in real danger.

17 posted on 11/07/2012 9:49:19 AM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution!)
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To: ProfoundMan

[i]You’re kidding, right? He’s already talked about bringing back the assault weapons ban, his EPA is going after lead and he’s also prattling on about cheap handguns (saturday night specials - lol). The 2A is in real danger.[/i]

He can’t bring back the assault weapons ban without Congressional assistance, which he doesn’t have. What he can do without congressional assistance is change the import regulations. That’s why I would focus on imported guns first.

As to cheap hand guns, I could not care less if the sorts of people who tend to buy and use cheap handguns are disarmed.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 9:55:13 AM PST by altsehastiin
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To: MasonGal
Well, first things first. If you've never shot anything before, you could start here: http://appleseedinfo.org/

They primarily use .22 LR to learn the proper way to shoot a rifle. You can be into a .22 LR and a couple of 550-round boxes for well under $300. Learn to shoot right, the first time, without having to unlearn many bad habits (like me).

Maybe take a handgun shooting course at a local range, or even apply for a concealed carry course if that's available for you.

As far as purchases go, ask questions. As with everything, gun owners have their own likes/dislikes with respect to weapon choice. I recommend finding someone who shoots, and asking if they'd take you to a local range. Or, find a local shop/range that allows you to rent/try different kinds of guns.

19 posted on 11/07/2012 10:01:08 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: IYAS9YAS
I know I'm paranoid but getting a concealed carry lic opens yourself to tons of govt scrutiny...there are "lists" aferall....

I can see the cops demanding to be let into your house because you have a CC lic and they'll do it too...

and, don't buy anything with a credit card or a check...use cash...again, there are "lists"....

the govt will use any angle they can to hound you, to investigate you, to attack you...

20 posted on 11/07/2012 10:08:47 AM PST by cherry
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To: ProfoundMan
“The 2A is in real danger.”

I am afraid so. Remember the Heller decision won only 5-4 and at least 3 Justices are potential retirees during this term. Look for a run at the 2A to either reverse or neutralize the individual right to own and bear arms.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 10:10:12 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: altsehastiin
As to cheap hand guns, I could not care less if the sorts of people who tend to buy and use cheap handguns are disarmed.

I would respectfully suggest that if you believe that the disarmament of criminals is the outcome of gun laws that you really don't have a very good understanding of gun laws. Do a little homework - the 2A is a great lesson in the application of the law and the Constitution. Start with Gun Talk .

22 posted on 11/07/2012 10:12:41 AM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution!)
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To: rustyboots

Agreed that silver is better in a pinch.

Also, during the 1930s .gov confiscated gold not silver. That is what is called a clue.

Stay below the radar...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 10:15:03 AM PST by cgbg (HLM--"Democracy is the theory that people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.")
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To: altsehastiin

***As to cheap hand guns, I could not care less if the sorts of people who tend to buy and use cheap handguns are disarmed.***

Careful for what you wish for! You should see the high quality firearms banned by the 1968 Gun Control Law back then because they were deemed unsuitable for Americans.

When was the last time you saw a real German made Walther PPK? Or a real Baby Browning?

About 1969 the DENVER POST tried to convince people that the RUGER .22 AUTO was a “Saturday Night Special” because it was under $50.00 back then.

Real “cheap guns” ($10.00)were made by EIG, RG, IMP, and lots of real cheap Spanish companies.

My first pistol was a cheap RG.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 11:05:01 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: MasonGal

Me too I’m a GUN VIRGIN hopefully someone will reply your question. I too want to learn since I live alone and want to defend myself when the crap hit the ceilin.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 11:16:29 AM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Patriot Babe

A gun virgin with a handle of Patriot Babe will have no shortage of eager firearms instructors offering to help.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 11:40:30 AM PST by Nachoman (I HOPE we CHANGE presidents.)
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To: Patriot Babe

See post # 19 upthread, it contains good advice. Most of us learned to shoot with a .22 rimfire rifle; a manual bolt-action type is a simple, easy to understand design for learning the basics. Money is never wasted on a good, basic .22 rifle; handguns and more powerful long guns can follow.


27 posted on 11/07/2012 12:55:45 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: rustyboots

I can say for sure that our local gun store counter was very busy today, but not as bad as it was the day after the election in 2008.

I had decided that if Obama somehow got re-elected, that I was finally going to break down and buy an AR.

I am now the proud owner of a Windham Weaponry flat-top carbine. Sure is going to look funny in the safe next to all of the beautiful bolt guns!


28 posted on 11/07/2012 1:07:45 PM PST by Doghunter
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To: IYAS9YAS

Thanks so much for the info!! Times, they are a changin’...


29 posted on 11/07/2012 2:04:38 PM PST by MasonGal
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To: Patriot Babe

Well, I guess we can both learn about this, together. I have a feeling we’re not the only ones wanting to learn more about all of this.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 2:06:17 PM PST by MasonGal
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To: MasonGal

Maybe you could post on your state message board to get some Freeper advice close to you? It always helps to try before you buy if possible. Best wishes on your endeavor.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:02:51 PM PST by Redcitizen (A good pun is its own reword.)
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To: MasonGal; Patriot Babe

You could start like I did with a 22 lr rifle. Go to Walmart and get a hundred dollar savage arms ( thats a brand) rifle with some ammo, go to an established rifle range and start shooting wth someone to watch you for safety.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:10:25 PM PST by Redcitizen (A good pun is its own reword.)
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To: MasonGal

I agree good to have a classmate =)


33 posted on 11/07/2012 9:04:14 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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