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It's NOT the Economy, and we ARE stupid.
epluribus_2

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:43:54 AM PST by epluribus_2

As I tried to explain it to my son – just over half of the voters want the rest of the voters to pay for their food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, health-care, and artistic expression (sounds like Occupy, doesn’t it?). As long as that’s the ratio then democracy fails – unless a strong constitution protects the minority from the majority mob. It hit me late last night. The 49.x % that won it for Obama do not really care if the economy is bad. It is always bad for them. Always will be. Government is just a way to help cope and get free stuff. Makes sense to me now.


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To: chris37

This is the zombie apocalypse, we are in it right now.

Only the virus is the “entitlement virus” and once instated it will never go away, ever!!!!


21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:19:16 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Well, Grace, there are a few proven methods of uninstallation.

I fear that within the very forseeable future, that will be the only option remaining.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 8:21:29 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Amen. It is a day which will live in infamy...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:41 AM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: BRK

As a middle aged white guy who once upon a time dreamed of a comfortable, happy retirement, I am ready to throw in the towel.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 8:38:46 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: Chuzzlewit

I heard it is the biggest tax increase in the history of California.

More bad news. The Dems now have super majority in the state assembly and senate. Prop 13 is dead. The Dems can tax us into Greece status for sure now. Of course, they don’t need to, the voters will do it for them.

The failure of the American Experiment is now upon us.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:52 AM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: epluribus_2

It hit me last night that this country is gone. Obama winning the popular vote proved it to me. This is what the majority want. This is what we’ll get.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:26 AM PST by Durbin
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To: BRK

“The question I am asking myself is do I want to keep working so hard trying to keep it all together? How many of you feel that you outwork your democrat country men? Now they are climbing on your back and shouting “Forward”! Will all the “angry white men” just keep plugging away under this system? Democrats are betting that you will. I am betting maybe we are weary.”

You are asking yourself the same questions millions of others are asking right now. These are the questions that those who still work hard ask themselves when they realize that they now live in a socialist system.

And based on history, we know what the answers are. In the recently collapsed Soviet Union, they used to say “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”.

In a socialist system everyone tries to work the least amount possible and get the most stuff they can. We can also add to that short list the avoidance of paying taxes whenever possible without being caught, as is the case in the failed socialist state Greece

Working the least amount possible by those who used to be producers is a small way of “Going Galt”, which has been happening to some degree already in the last four years, but quite frankly, we ain’t seen nothing yet!

I fully expect to see an acceleration of people deciding to quit working hard and more people deciding to start taking. It’s only basic human nature, after all.

We’re going to see a wave of retirements, early retirements, business retrenchments, withdrawn capital, and people deciding to look after themselves, and for those who have the money, to start spending it on personal pleasure in lieu of investing it. GDP, tax revenues, and employment in good paying jobs are all going to plummet. Those who have previously planned their bunkers will now finish them and make as many arrangements as possible to try and save themselves from the inevitable collapse. Of course, all of the above measures will help accelerate the collapse, but then, that’s what a death spiral is all about.

On the other side of the coin, more and more people will say the heck with it and sign up for as much free stuff as possible.

More trillions will be printed each year to be handed out, as shrinking tax revenues cannot possibly finance all the demands for free stuff. The House Republicans will acquiesce time after time in tacitly approving these printed trillions because they do not have the courage to simply shut down the federal government until Obama comes to heel.

Alexander Fraser Tytler says it far better than I:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.”


27 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:06 AM PST by catnipman
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To: Chuzzlewit

This is a good thing. We can finally do away with theory and get to see what happens. Easy for me to say not living there but sometimes you need to hit bottom.
Of course if the situation there improves, then our theory is wrong and theirs is right.
We shall see.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:27 AM PST by paul544
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To: epluribus_2
As I tried to explain it to my son – just over half of the voters want the rest of the voters to pay for their food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, health-care, and artistic expression (sounds like Occupy, doesn’t it?).

This also sounds like the premise of the book ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand which has been made into a movie. The book describes to a tee how socialism comes to creep into a free market economy vis a vis the non-producing looters feeling entitled to a "free lunch" at the expense of the producers.

As the saying goes, "Give a monkey a banana and he will never climb another tree!!!"

29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:40:26 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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To: catnipman
We’re going to see a wave of retirements, early retirements, business retrenchments, withdrawn capital, and people deciding to look after themselves, and for those who have the money, to start spending it on personal pleasure in lieu of investing it. GDP, tax revenues, and employment in good paying jobs are all going to plummet. Those who have previously planned their bunkers will now finish them and make as many arrangements as possible to try and save themselves from the inevitable collapse.

Many laugh at those folks who have been dubbed "preppers," but in the event of a socio-economic collapse, food, clothing, shelter and other material necessities would be worth their weight in gold....I would even go as far as to say that they could be worth more than gold since gold itself might be worthless if there were no goods to purchase.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:02 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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