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It's NOT the Economy, and we ARE stupid.
epluribus_2

Posted on 11/07/2012 7:43:54 AM PST by epluribus_2

As I tried to explain it to my son – just over half of the voters want the rest of the voters to pay for their food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, health-care, and artistic expression (sounds like Occupy, doesn’t it?). As long as that’s the ratio then democracy fails – unless a strong constitution protects the minority from the majority mob. It hit me late last night. The 49.x % that won it for Obama do not really care if the economy is bad. It is always bad for them. Always will be. Government is just a way to help cope and get free stuff. Makes sense to me now.


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KEYWORDS: economy; occupy
Republicans did everything they could. I am not mad at Romney the way I was mad at McCain for giving up. Romney thought he was going to win. He missed by a handful of % here and there and there… But the criminal enterprise known as the Democratic Party and its associated political machines across the country are the equivalent of Saddam’s, Stalin’s or Chavez’s minions.
1 posted on 11/07/2012 7:44:03 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2

Let sequestration happen.. let it crash. See how the 49% that think uncle sugar will always be there feel when he’s not.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 7:46:38 AM PST by Bidimus1
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To: epluribus_2

Unfortunately for America the scale has tipped for the people who want to free load off the rest of us.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:11 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: epluribus_2

You are absolutely right. All too many people don’t care about a bad economy. They have given up on success. They just want the government to ensure their miserable basis needs and they are satisfied. Just like a bunch of animals. Add to that that they want to see people who are better off punished and brought down. It’s all rather primal and ugly.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:23 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: epluribus_2
I agree 100%.

It's NOT the economy. Jobs don't mean anything anymore. Half the country DOESN'T WANT A JOB. With the huge influx of freeloaders into our country from sewers all over the world, the "new norm" has become, "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME?! I WANT FREE STUFF!" The 'RATS will give them free stuff in exchange for keeping them in power.

5 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (REVENGE wins.)
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To: epluribus_2

I think what shocks me more than anything else is that my state sent Allen West home and sent Alan Grayson back to Washington.

This is the zombie apocalypse, we are in it right now.


6 posted on 11/07/2012 7:49:47 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Bidimus1

Kinda like when Daddy comes home and says through tears to his wide eyed kids - “I know I promised you a new puppy (sparkly dress, Disney trip, etc.) for your birthday but... we can’t afford it right now, things are bad at work” Then the adorable kid says “I HATE YOU!”.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 7:51:37 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: epluribus_2

“Trapping Feral Pigs, And Other Parables Of Modern Life” (Free Republic thread)

8 posted on 11/07/2012 7:53:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: chris37

and my state actually voted FOR a tax increase.

this shows you that it’s too late. we thought we had time.

I have never felt so let down by this country. I weep for our founders, because their dream is dead.

America is a racist country.. If race didn’t matter, then this guy would have been voted out.. but race does matter. Point in fact MLK’s dream is dead, as well.

Every four years they are going to trot out a Hispanic or a black candidate and they will win be handing out goodies.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 7:54:15 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
RE: the scale has tipped

It's gonna hurt a lot! I think conservatives have to
1) protect themselves as much as possible from all the power grabbing and resource-grabbing (government-sanctioned STEALING)
2) keep trying to educate the liberals among us
3) try to survive in the hope now growing faint that we can have one more election where the scales tip back. Yeah, long shot.

10 posted on 11/07/2012 7:55:27 AM PST by Missouri gal
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To: all the best

“It’s all rather primal and ugly.”

and it will get uglier real fast. The fiscal cliff is close at hand, and our economy will not recover. China will come calling for its payments and our money is worth nothing. Russia will get ever closer with her subs along our coast and our weakened military will be unable to adequately respond. Iran will continue to develop its missiles and work with Syria & Egypt to bring us down. Look for Israel to act soon cuz she knows we’re no longer gonna help her. Look for banks to have a “holiday” and then those of us who depend on government pensions or checks will be w/o funds. Look for more small businesses to close. Look for everything to get more expensive: gas, propane, food, medicine, clothing. Look for those who are able to leave this country to do so posthaste.

Hunker in the bunker will become the norm...


11 posted on 11/07/2012 7:58:01 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: epluribus_2

The question I am asking myself is do I want to keep working so hard trying to keep it all together? How many of you feel that you outwork your democrat country men? Now they are climbing on your back and shouting “Forward”! Will all the “angry white men” just keep plugging away under this system? Democrats are betting that you will. I am betting maybe we are weary.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:50 AM PST by BRK
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To: epluribus_2

Actually their economies can get a lot worse and they lack the skills to turn it around for themselves. Personally, I will adapt to less and find happiness through my children and family. But when the Chinese and Japanese call in their loans they will not be sympathetic enough to allow them to keep their Obama phones and energy price assistance.

This system will completely crash and chaos will result. If the rest of us choose to continue to live be locked and loaded. It will not be pretty and blood will flow. The children of America will have nowhere to turn if their parents are unprepared.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 8:05:04 AM PST by formosa
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To: epluribus_2
Yep, the sheeple are stupid.

Unfortunately, this time there will be no one left to offer a sanctuary of liberty and freedom that will save them.

14 posted on 11/07/2012 8:05:33 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: epluribus_2

***...just over half of the voters want the rest of the voters to pay for their food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, health-care,***

The parasites now outnumber the producers, like locusts in a field.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. (Then turn to elect him again like a Pavlovian dog returns to it’s own vomit!)


15 posted on 11/07/2012 8:06:22 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: BRK

we simply will not be able to send all the kids to ballerina camp. Eventually this whole charade comes crashing down due to simple math. See Greece. See the United Kingdom before Thatcher. The demographics do not matter. GOTV does not matter. Giving illegals free voter registrations will not matter. There is not enough money for it. We will have to cancel the nation’s “cable”. Period. Kids will stamp their feet and cry “unfair”. Then when some grow up they will start businesses. Selling resewn clothes. Enchiladas. Farm picked food. ‘Shine. We will come back. Slowly. But it did have to happen this way.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 8:07:28 AM PST by epluribus_2
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To: Chuzzlewit

You are right.

I think there is one operative sentence from Mitt Romney that sums up everything.

“If you want free stuff, vote for the other guy”.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:09:10 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
“If you want free stuff, vote for the other guy”.

And they did.

18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:10:02 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: epluribus_2

The message of no new taxes, reducing spending, etc. only resonated with those who do pay taxes and understand spending needs to stop/slow (buy the groceries)....the other voters understood that with no new taxes and spending reduction, that would effect them.(their taste buds and stomach)

This country has a higher “consumption” population than ever before, whether by design, laziness or forced to “Feed” because of this economy...the welfare state has exploded...it’s a created majority voter base - the table is large.

Those that are feeding off this country won the vote to not just request... but dictate what’s for dinner from those who are making dinner....they did not pay for the food...and they will not help with the dishes....

So, how long will you keep cooking for them?


19 posted on 11/07/2012 8:11:06 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: epluribus_2
Tytler had it correct:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

20 posted on 11/07/2012 8:17:29 AM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: chris37

This is the zombie apocalypse, we are in it right now.

Only the virus is the “entitlement virus” and once instated it will never go away, ever!!!!


21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:19:16 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Well, Grace, there are a few proven methods of uninstallation.

I fear that within the very forseeable future, that will be the only option remaining.


22 posted on 11/07/2012 8:21:29 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Amen. It is a day which will live in infamy...


23 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:41 AM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: BRK

As a middle aged white guy who once upon a time dreamed of a comfortable, happy retirement, I am ready to throw in the towel.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 8:38:46 AM PST by Dan in Wichita
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To: Chuzzlewit

I heard it is the biggest tax increase in the history of California.

More bad news. The Dems now have super majority in the state assembly and senate. Prop 13 is dead. The Dems can tax us into Greece status for sure now. Of course, they don’t need to, the voters will do it for them.

The failure of the American Experiment is now upon us.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:52 AM PST by TheDon (In 2012, American voters chose European style big gov't.)
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To: epluribus_2

It hit me last night that this country is gone. Obama winning the popular vote proved it to me. This is what the majority want. This is what we’ll get.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:26 AM PST by Durbin
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To: BRK

“The question I am asking myself is do I want to keep working so hard trying to keep it all together? How many of you feel that you outwork your democrat country men? Now they are climbing on your back and shouting “Forward”! Will all the “angry white men” just keep plugging away under this system? Democrats are betting that you will. I am betting maybe we are weary.”

You are asking yourself the same questions millions of others are asking right now. These are the questions that those who still work hard ask themselves when they realize that they now live in a socialist system.

And based on history, we know what the answers are. In the recently collapsed Soviet Union, they used to say “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work”.

In a socialist system everyone tries to work the least amount possible and get the most stuff they can. We can also add to that short list the avoidance of paying taxes whenever possible without being caught, as is the case in the failed socialist state Greece

Working the least amount possible by those who used to be producers is a small way of “Going Galt”, which has been happening to some degree already in the last four years, but quite frankly, we ain’t seen nothing yet!

I fully expect to see an acceleration of people deciding to quit working hard and more people deciding to start taking. It’s only basic human nature, after all.

We’re going to see a wave of retirements, early retirements, business retrenchments, withdrawn capital, and people deciding to look after themselves, and for those who have the money, to start spending it on personal pleasure in lieu of investing it. GDP, tax revenues, and employment in good paying jobs are all going to plummet. Those who have previously planned their bunkers will now finish them and make as many arrangements as possible to try and save themselves from the inevitable collapse. Of course, all of the above measures will help accelerate the collapse, but then, that’s what a death spiral is all about.

On the other side of the coin, more and more people will say the heck with it and sign up for as much free stuff as possible.

More trillions will be printed each year to be handed out, as shrinking tax revenues cannot possibly finance all the demands for free stuff. The House Republicans will acquiesce time after time in tacitly approving these printed trillions because they do not have the courage to simply shut down the federal government until Obama comes to heel.

Alexander Fraser Tytler says it far better than I:

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.”


27 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:06 AM PST by catnipman
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To: Chuzzlewit

This is a good thing. We can finally do away with theory and get to see what happens. Easy for me to say not living there but sometimes you need to hit bottom.
Of course if the situation there improves, then our theory is wrong and theirs is right.
We shall see.


28 posted on 11/07/2012 9:01:27 AM PST by paul544
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To: epluribus_2
As I tried to explain it to my son – just over half of the voters want the rest of the voters to pay for their food, clothing, housing, education, entertainment, health-care, and artistic expression (sounds like Occupy, doesn’t it?).

This also sounds like the premise of the book ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand which has been made into a movie. The book describes to a tee how socialism comes to creep into a free market economy vis a vis the non-producing looters feeling entitled to a "free lunch" at the expense of the producers.

As the saying goes, "Give a monkey a banana and he will never climb another tree!!!"

29 posted on 11/07/2012 10:40:26 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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To: catnipman
We’re going to see a wave of retirements, early retirements, business retrenchments, withdrawn capital, and people deciding to look after themselves, and for those who have the money, to start spending it on personal pleasure in lieu of investing it. GDP, tax revenues, and employment in good paying jobs are all going to plummet. Those who have previously planned their bunkers will now finish them and make as many arrangements as possible to try and save themselves from the inevitable collapse.

Many laugh at those folks who have been dubbed "preppers," but in the event of a socio-economic collapse, food, clothing, shelter and other material necessities would be worth their weight in gold....I would even go as far as to say that they could be worth more than gold since gold itself might be worthless if there were no goods to purchase.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 10:49:02 AM PST by Sons of Union Vets (No taxation without representation!)
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