Posted on 11/06/2012 7:52:26 PM PST by MikefromOhio
This has been brewing a while. It's probably not a fully formed thought, so I'll just throw that out there first and foremost and apologize.
The situation, as we all know now, is grim.
We have an ineffective, disliked and extremely polarizing incumbent.
We have an allegedly moderate Republican from a very blue state.
We have the GOP wunderkind in Ryan who is supposedly going to help flip another very blue state in Wisconsin.
Yet what do we have? 4 more years of Obama.
This is the end of the GOP and of national conservatism. It's time to face it, the country just isn't buying what we, as conservatives, are selling at this point.
Where do we go from here? I do not know.
We are a country divided. 1/2 of us demand “free” stuff and the other 1/2 must somehow pay for it while carrying a $16 Trillion debt. We have become worse than Europe.
It’s underpopulated. Flood the place and take over.
What about TX secession?
That’s about all I see left for us.
OK can come along too.
Galt.
Starve the leviathan.
“Biden is proof that VP matters nothing to people.”
It does but only for Republicans. I said this before: if you give free bennies to people, nobody will care what you say or do as long as their check comes in the mail.
Conservatives have lost the battle of information this go around.
We need to take the hit and figure out how to get the initiative back.
For one, the Liberals have a HUGE advantage both in the school systems and on social media. It’s easy to spout populist ideas like free bread for everyone without going into details about how that bread is paid for.
The electorate doesn’t think as deeply as the GOP and conservatives at large want it too. We need to watch idiocracy, the liberals have.
More importantly, conservatives need to change the paradigm with which they argue. We are battling over the same crap year in and year out, and the demographic shift this country has endured is showing up big time. change the game - we can’t win the one we’re in.
You’re kidding yourself. I really wish you’d kid yourself somewhere other than this thread.
This is absolutely true.
The country's culture is somewhere else. It's possible the country is where California was two decades ago and won't be coming back from that any more than any of us in CA had wished that state would shift away from the crazy.
The election probably hasn't hinged on ideology or Obama "buying votes" with food stamps like divisive commentators have claims. We need to understand Obama's election was "historical" and voters may be unwilling to fire him.
Unfortunately, if he is reelected and we see John F Kerry as secretary of state and all manner of grotesque outcomes are ahead we will not be able to turn things in 2016. That's FOUR more years for Democrats to reshape the culture.
Anticipate a flip of the House in 2014 to Democrat hands. It is highly improbable the economy will continue to limp along now matter how much a second-term Obama fails to lead.
You assholes could not see the forest form the trees!
Obamacare forever! Thank You Jimbots!
There are too many parasites in this country that will continue to vote for democrats since they want their freebies and socialist policies. The tipping point has been passed, and this is now a permanent situation.
A Romney win would have only pushed this off four more years anyways as he would not be willing to change the forces that are sending this country over the cliff.
Get used to being ruled by the left. We have let ourselves get in this position and the ballot box is no longer a viable avenue to remedy the situation. Since the only ways out would be violence, as in a second Revolution or Civil War, or an economic upheaval that would leave millions dead or fleeing the country (and this would likely also lead to violence), I doubt there will be another move back to the right in my lifetime.
This is a sad day for this country, but the seeds were sown long ago.
Obamacare is now permanent, oppressive taxes will be the norm, and marxist ideology will continue to be promoted to our children in government run schools. This country will be getting rid of its nuclear weapons, and eventually we will no longer be a world leader, but just another province of a world government that we are heading towards.
as of 11:13, was showing Gary Johnson with .6%, throwing Wisconsin to Obama...
Oklahoma will come along...let’s do it!!!! Screw this crap...its over...they just called Ohio...
I only want to say that Governor Romney ran the political race of a lifetime. I’m so grateful I witnessed it. It may be the last of its kind. The campaign of Obama and the scumbag vice president was a stealth, computerized ground game, not unlike any you can purchase in the stores. It had been perfected over the course of four years. They tied people from cities together in every category and made families of them, units, who guarded each other. They ultimately voted for a common cause.....themselves. They checked on each other and made sure all their “buckets” we’re current and plans working. They discarded no one......because they knew everyone wants to belong to a group, a club, a family. If someone had an abortion early in life, or was divorced or abandoned, or uneducated or unskilled, they weren’t heaped onto a pile of trash. The members were happy with the small joys government bestowed on them with your money. All they had to do was vote. They don’t know any other way and we don’t bother to teach.
My life is changed forever after seeing everyone work so hard to get a good man into office. I expect the Muslim Brotherhood to have offices on every corner now. I expect Obama to thumb his nose at Benghazi and to accommodate Putin. I expect Israel to have to protect herself. I think this may have been our final election. Why would I want to listen to blah blah blah talk radio anymore? Our own rip the skin off of our own based on religious beliefs? Divide and keep dividing? What bothers me most is, I don’t know anyone in my life who isn’t like me. I’ve taught my children to me like me and they theirs. The people who won are aliens....or maybe I am. I don’t see Conservatives regrouping.
It's unbelievable really. Reagan won 49 states after Carter... Romney is no Reagan, but damn.... Eight years of the 0 is simply unrecoverable. Tells more about the country, the populace. wtf! I put a uniform on proudly for this country, just don't recognize it anymore... Damn
Time for the producers to Galt.
He was well financed by the Democrats.
Oklahoma will come along...let’s do it!!!! Screw this crap...its over...they just called Ohio...
It is not demographics that have beaten us if we indeed are beaten. It is treason that has encouraged too much of the rest of the world to come here with their bent knee, boot licking, peon values.
And even then, the thralls predominate only in a very small geographic area.
Maybe it is time for a country of our own again......we should get to keep the flag and toss New England and the west coast out of the union.
Second alternative is 20 or 30 million red meat eating American’s migrating north tipping the balance toward conservative sanity in Canada by infiltrating up there the same way the Mexicans have robbed us our our birthright down here.
It has nothing to do with the GOP (they suck, but that’s besides the point)- there are more “Takers” than “Makers” (and ‘want to be’ Makers) in this country.....the “Takers” are winning (as of this comment) and will most likely out vote the “Makers”
There are not enough “Makers” to go around....no one is understanding this that voted for Barry and his cohorts
They want a feudal system - here it is.
America is now a ‘Caste country’ - you will be hopeful if you can hold onto the middle class caste moniker.
Galt.
No one was trying to take birth control--this was decided by the Supreme Court decades ago. Despite the Democrat's framing, it was a debate whether the individuals involved or someone other party should be responsible for paying. Women seem to have decided they want "free stuff" without understanding the consequences.
Abortion is about life itself. This is not a compromise issue but idiots like Akin and Mourdock are not serious candidates able to articulate a positive prolife view effectively. Such people need to be vetted and rejected at the primary level. The Tea Party movement, if it survives going forward, needs to grow up.
You're right about the demographics and young people's view on marriage. Conservatives need to find a way to address this because it isn't gay marriage threatening the institution, the heterosexual institution itself has been allowed to crumble for decades. Rather than rant and scream that 'gay marriage' is wrong, evil, destroying traditional marriage, etc it's time to realize the culture is elsewhere and accelerating in that other direction.
That ship sailed in the 90s; the state constitutional amendments were likely a last stand that will not prevail against the demographic tide. Conservatives need to move to where the puck will be not where it is or was. They sound like the teachers on Peanuts.
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