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gas storage options question
me ^ | 11-3-12 | TurboZamboni

Posted on 11/03/2012 9:08:05 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

What are the best long term gas storage options("long" being 2-3 years)

It will be in a non-climate controlled shed with summer temps up to 100 and winter down to -30.

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I have some PRI-G gas additive and wonder if metal fuel cans are better than plastic. I'm using non-ethanol, real gas.

thanks in advance.

1 posted on 11/03/2012 9:08:09 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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Storing gasoline in +110 degree weather? You are actually planning to burn down your shed, if not blowing it apart. I live in Phoenix. No one I know here would keep gasoline in a shed. A five-gallon can in an insulated garage—but your plan should include a shed that is not connected to an occupied building, or an area that is free of overgrowth or trees.


2 posted on 11/03/2012 9:12:34 AM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine .)
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the shed is vented, not attached , and far from the main res.


3 posted on 11/03/2012 9:13:56 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

I bought some gas, put it in a 30 gallon drum about 6 years ago and literally forgot about it. When I opened it, about a fourth had evaporated out the lose drum plugs. I put it in a 1959 2 cylinder John Deere that would run on anything, and it started hard, but ran fairly well, but used more fuel than usual. I added octane booster, and it started better and ran a little better.

I believe if you use a fuel stabilizer product, store the gas in a cool dry area, it would likely last 5 years or better.

A safer bet is two years, as I have left old farm trucks sit for two years and the crank right up.


4 posted on 11/03/2012 9:16:40 AM PDT by redfreedom
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"What are the best long term gas storage options("long" being 2-3 years) "

6 months.

Winter blend vs Summer blend. Sealed container with over pressure vent.

5 posted on 11/03/2012 9:18:17 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: TurboZamboni

Stabil


6 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:10 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: All

Anyone remember the hell I went though about my gas storage practices I don’t store it in glass sparklettes bottles


7 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:34 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: TurboZamboni

I had some gasoline stored for several years that I forgot about. When I opened it it was separated into water on the top and sludge on the bottom.

Using a fuel stabilizer, I think you can safely store it for about a year in good storage conditions. Without stabilizer it starts breaking down as soon as it’s stored & may bee good for several months.

I think propane can be stored almost indefinitely, but I’m not sure.


8 posted on 11/03/2012 9:21:57 AM PDT by jimbobfoster
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To: TurboZamboni

About a year at most with a storage additive is about all you can expect . If exposed to the high temps, the gas will lose too many of it’s lighter ends. 100 degrees for any extended time will significantly reduce storage time, probably in half. I have stored gas here in Alaska for up to 18 months without problems, but it doesn’t get any where near 100 degrees.


9 posted on 11/03/2012 9:22:17 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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I refilled my plastic 5 gallon containers 1 year ago along with fuel stabilizer. Just used them in my generator with no problem. Gasoline without fuel stabilizer will start gumming up within a month. Ethanol is to blame.
10 posted on 11/03/2012 9:27:10 AM PDT by McGruff (This is probably the biggest cover-up in American history - Sen. Fred Thompson)
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To: JohnKinAK

I’m in MN, 100 is rare, but not unheard of. I’m thinking more of what the temp gets to inside the shed.

Maybe I’d be better off just filling an extra, rarely used truck. Storage tank on wheels :)


11 posted on 11/03/2012 9:29:01 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: righttackle44

LOL!
Gasoline won’t spontaneously explode in 100+ temps. If that were true, millions of cars would be exploding every summer.


12 posted on 11/03/2012 9:30:30 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: righttackle44

I looked it up. The ignition temperature of liquid gasoline is 495 degrees.


13 posted on 11/03/2012 9:33:36 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: JohnKinAK

Even in a hot desert, the temp stays cool and even 4-5 feet underground.

If you can dig a hole and keep it well covered, you can get better storage conditions and great safety. Just be sure to call it a shed, as underground fuel tanks have special restrictions.

Plain holes in the ground can also flood, so keep fuel watertight, and off the ground to avoid rust. DIg a little deeper sump on the side for water to drain into.

If you have anything larger than a five gallon can, like a 55 gal drum, you might also need a pump, as siphons won’t work if the source is lower.

Fuel stabilizer and rotation of the stock is necessary with gasoline. Diesel is a little better and propane is practically forever.


14 posted on 11/03/2012 9:40:00 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: JohnKinAK

I routinely store non-ethanol gasoline for two years and then rotate through vehicles mixed at about 1:1 with new gas. If 100% stored gas is run then there will be pinging under load. So I don’t do that except in an emergency or I add octane enhancer (does seem to work).. Stabil is added at the beginning; some containers are plastic, some metal The plastic containers lose much more due to evaporation. Temperatures in the storage shed range from -20F to +110.


15 posted on 11/03/2012 9:40:18 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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Gasoline stored more than a year I wouldn't use, stabilizers or not. It's not made to be stored unlike Av-gas.
16 posted on 11/03/2012 9:42:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kirkwood

I have a motorcycle kept in a enclosed trailer. There is a generator in there also. Although I open a vent in the summer, it has to get to 135F or more at times. No explosions in 30 years now. (I rotate gas out every two years if the bike hasn’t been ridden).


17 posted on 11/03/2012 9:44:29 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: count-your-change

100LL stores poorly.


18 posted on 11/03/2012 9:46:09 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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I truly believe in Stabil, good for a year.
Look on Camper sites and those folks swear by it.
According to the product, you can increase the storage time to two years if you double the amount you put in per gallon.
I personally have never tried the two year thing, think 1 year of storage is enough.
19 posted on 11/03/2012 9:52:45 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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You're better off rotating your supply at least once a year.
You must have some use for the stored gas which will allow rotating your supply and definitely add Stabil or PRI-G! I have been told that adding additional Stabil once a year will extend the life of gas but why not just exchange your supply? Just how big a tank are you intending to keep? I use these even though they do not have an overpressure vent, which is why the company states it is, "not recommended" for gas. The polyethylene material is the same plastic used in the 1-5 gallon jugs. The 30 or 40 gallon size is not too heavy to move with a dolly and a truck. I underfill mine by about gallon to allow for a little expansion.
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23527&catid=578&clickid=searchresults
I'm glad I'm not in a place where it regularly hits 100. You might ask some local farmers for advice but if you could dig a cellar/pit in the shed, this might help.
20 posted on 11/03/2012 9:57:43 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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