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**vanity** American Community Survey - Do I have to fill this out?
self | 11/1/12 | self

Posted on 11/01/2012 9:02:00 PM PDT by FollowingTheGrace

Today I received "The American Community Survey" from the Commerce Dept. It is 28pp of very intrusive questions, from the time I usually leave for work (to the minute) to who I work for and how much I make to how much I pay for utilities, and much, much more. The questions are repeated for everyone who lives in my household and include name, address, and phone numbers.

It says I am required by law to return this.

Anyone here familiar with this? Any advice?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2012; commercedept; donttreadonme; freedom; government; govtabuse; tyranny
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1 posted on 11/01/2012 9:02:08 PM PDT by FollowingTheGrace
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I do not know the BigGov legalities, but I would use it to light my fireplace. No way they are making me lap their boots like that.


2 posted on 11/01/2012 9:05:28 PM PDT by MtnClimber (I did not vote for Zero. Someone else did that.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
Today I received "The American Community Survey" from the Commerce Dept.

No you didn't. The USPS has been damned unreliable since Sandy blew through! It's not your fault it was lost in the mail.

3 posted on 11/01/2012 9:05:53 PM PDT by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
According to the Census site or the American Community Survey site, yes, you have to answer the questions.

American Community Survey

I'd be creeped out about the questions, though.

4 posted on 11/01/2012 9:06:19 PM PDT by madison10 (I love it when a plan comes together ~~God)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I was threatened by the census bureau twice in 2009 that i would be prosecuted if I did not reply. So I called them back and said “none of your business” to every question. They never contacted me again. I made sure it was the census by returning their call.
That lady was SOME pissed off with me!

Tell em to go fry ice.


5 posted on 11/01/2012 9:07:41 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I thought that was the survey that some people received along with their 2010 census forms. Didn’t know they were circulating this unconstitutional nonsense in non-census years.


6 posted on 11/01/2012 9:07:48 PM PDT by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Isn’t that a survey from the Business Dept.?


7 posted on 11/01/2012 9:07:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Tell them your dog ate it!


8 posted on 11/01/2012 9:08:13 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I tossed both it and the farm version of it, and haven’t been arrested yet :)


9 posted on 11/01/2012 9:09:23 PM PDT by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

same issue. fill it out, no one ever said you had to be truthful. So as a black, Polynesian, islamic, wickin transgendered, 200 yr old ect. note the computer spit out your address.


10 posted on 11/01/2012 9:10:38 PM PDT by waynesa98
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To: madison10
I would not have a very good “recollection” of any answers.
11 posted on 11/01/2012 9:10:56 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
"We randomly select about 3.5 million addresses each year to participate in the survey."

Good luck with that.

I think I'd deal with them the same as other polls.

Tell them that you love Bronco Bama.

12 posted on 11/01/2012 9:11:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FollowingTheGrace
The Department of Commerce has stated that those who receive a survey form are legally obligated to answer all the questions as accurately as possible. Those who decline to complete the survey may receive follow-up phone calls and/or visits to their homes from Census Bureau personnel. Section 221 of Title 13 U.S.C., makes it a misdemeanor to refuse or willfully neglect to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers and imposes a fine of not more than $100. This fine was changed by the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 from $100 to not more than $5,000. The Census Bureau prefers to gain cooperation by convincing respondents of the importance of participation. To date, no person has ever been charged with a crime for refusing to answer the ACS. The Department of Commerce states that it is "not an enforcement agency"

Short answer: don't return it, and if you get a follow up call say you never received it. At that point they may or may not ask follow-up questions. You can be fined if you decline to respond to those questions.

13 posted on 11/01/2012 9:11:41 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Every President from Arkansas both of whose inaugurations were held in prime years has a bitch wife.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

File 13 material.


14 posted on 11/01/2012 9:14:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

>> Any advice?

I can’t give you any advice.

All I can do is to tell you what *I* would do if it were me.

Ir it were me, I’d shred it.


15 posted on 11/01/2012 9:14:42 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: madison10
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/questionnaires/2012/Quest12.pdf

This looks like the census form I filled out while I was on the road in 2010 far from my home.

These guys need to be sequestrated.

16 posted on 11/01/2012 9:15:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FollowingTheGrace

obama doesn’t recognize the Commerce Dept, so why should you?


17 posted on 11/01/2012 9:15:42 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: acapesket

The last time a Census worker showed up after I didn’t send in the form, I was on the front porch cleaning a rifle with two Dobes laying at my feet.

That was 20 years ago and they haven’t been back since or sent me any more forms.


18 posted on 11/01/2012 9:16:24 PM PDT by Salamander (Wounded, old and dangerous.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
They keep pestering you until you fill out the form.

You're supposed to fill it out accurately instead of just kinda-sorta-close-enough guesstimates. Of course, they can't tell whether or not you wrote actual correct answers or plausible numbers off the top of your head unless they already know the exact answers, and if they already knew the answers they wouldn't need to send you the form. I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just saying....

19 posted on 11/01/2012 9:16:43 PM PDT by stroll
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To: FollowingTheGrace

The feds don’t take “the fine print” on voter registrations seriously, what makes this crap any different?


20 posted on 11/01/2012 9:17:13 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Osama bin Laden is dead, Chrysler moved to Italy and China.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Did it come via certified mail? If not they have no idea if you received it or not. Just saying.


21 posted on 11/01/2012 9:18:12 PM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I got it too. I threw it out. This week, I got another one. I’m throwing it out as well. There is no way I’m answering any of these questions. They can come to the door and ring ‘til they’re heart’s content. I won’t be here for 3 months. To HELL with these people!


22 posted on 11/01/2012 9:18:30 PM PDT by battletank
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To: acapesket

Oh! You are so right, the locals did come back for the census... I forgot !
I posted my drooling chocolate lab on the front doorstep with a welcome mat that says “go AWAY!”
Kids at halloween loved it last night ! Thanks for reminding me!
I am chuckling now at the recollection!


23 posted on 11/01/2012 9:22:06 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Hell NO!!!!!


24 posted on 11/01/2012 9:22:08 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I signed it and sent it back blank. They sent another and I did the same thing.
A woman showed up at my door and said I had to answer the questions.
I answered every question with the response “it’s none of your business” She looked at me, and I told her she wanted an answer, and I gave her one to each question asked. Never heard back. That was 4 months ago. Commerce Dept IIRC.


25 posted on 11/01/2012 9:22:08 PM PDT by Joshua
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Return it. Nothing says your hand must write truthful info.


26 posted on 11/01/2012 9:24:18 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (So long and thanks for all the fish.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I’ve received them and have thrown them out. Nothing has ever happened - no calls, no knock on the door, nothing.


27 posted on 11/01/2012 9:25:48 PM PDT by peggybac (Hope and Change has become Divide and Conquer)
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To: Ellendra

I remember getting the farm version.

I live smack in the middle of DFW, lol.

I was sorely tempted to make things up, maybe I could have gotten ag subsidies, lol. I just checked a few “No”s and mailed it back, mostly empty.


28 posted on 11/01/2012 9:28:56 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

It is past time the sheeple stopped complyin’ and cooperatin’.

Next year we get to had to our IRS tax forms an extra form revealing our medical history as it relates to our compliance with unconstitutional Obamacare.

Be thinking about that. All this other stuff is experimentation for how willing to stay sheepel until we are reduced to train boarding material ala Germany.


29 posted on 11/01/2012 9:29:00 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Hey, wasn’t it lost in the mail and you never got it?


30 posted on 11/01/2012 9:29:35 PM PDT by bgill (Evil doers are in every corner of our government. Have we passed the point of no return?)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

can’t give anyone any advice about anything....

at this house, all junk mail (meaning anything we did not request or desire) gets Round Filed immediately (and we can never seem to remember receiving any particular piece of crap, given all crap looks pretty much the same...)

they can resend whatever, and if it is something we did not request or desire, it will promptly meet the same fate. There’s PLENTY of room in the Round File, and the city picks it up every week so that makes for even MORE room....

we’re paying for the city to haul this crap away, we may as well make use of that wonderful and very convenient public service.

just saying


31 posted on 11/01/2012 9:31:36 PM PDT by faithhopecharity
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Declaration To Census Takers
I hereby affirm that the provisions of Title 13 ``requiring’’ me to disclose my race, personal financial data, birth-date, or any other personal or private information to the Bureau of the Census, an agency of the United States government, constitutes an unreasonable, unwarranted search of my person, house, papers, and/or effects; and a governmental invasion of the sanctity of my home and the privacies of life. As such, these provisions violate the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution, and are thus wholly void and I am not bound to obey them.

I have completed only those sections of the Census form pertaining to the Constitutionally-mandated actual enumeration, as follows:
1. The actual number of people living at the address printed on the form, excluding untaxed Native Americans.
2. Age of each person in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2.
3. Sex of each person, in accordance with US Const. Amendment XIV, Section 2.
I have thus fulfilled my obligation to the attainment of the actual enumeration of the populace of the United States


32 posted on 11/01/2012 9:31:57 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
Do what I did the last time I received one of those invasive information request. I took a black Sharpie and drew a big black mark where every answer was on the form that pertained to the information I was to fill out. I then included a printed note along with the form when I sent it in. The included note basically said the following “All personal and sensitive information on the response form has been redacted to protect my personal information. I used as an example the numerous forms that have been released by the US Federal Government reuested by the FOIA. Thank you and have a plesant day”

For some odd reason I have never gotten another form nor has anyone called about it.

33 posted on 11/01/2012 9:33:29 PM PDT by SledgeCS (Good Men Died. Obama Lied. Impeach the LYING COWARD!!!)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
HELL NO.

SCREW THEM.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 9:42:30 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Census finally came to my house.

Dog got in their car with them


35 posted on 11/01/2012 9:45:52 PM PDT by digger48
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Census finally came to my house.

Dog got in their car with them


36 posted on 11/01/2012 9:46:09 PM PDT by digger48
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To: FredZarguna

By who? The census department may have bullets but they have no enforcement division and if I remember right the census can’t give your personal info to the justus department because they are bound by some law not to.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 9:46:09 PM PDT by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn
"No controlling legal authority," which, if you read my post is what Commerce pretty much admits to.

... However ...

If you refuse to answer direct questions posed by a Census employee, or interfere with their ability to collect data they can make a civil or criminal referral to DOJ, depending on which is appropriate.

38 posted on 11/01/2012 9:50:24 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Is the US Episcopate serious? We'll see.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Mine got lost in the mail, never had a chance to fill it out and return it. That is, that would be my story if I had gotten one, but I didn’t... Really...


39 posted on 11/01/2012 9:54:35 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Joshua

I like it. They try that excrement with me, my answer to every question will be “42” after all, that’s the answer to the universe, right?


40 posted on 11/01/2012 10:01:23 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Kirkwood
"obama doesn’t recognize the Commerce Dept,"

Isn't that the Business Dept.?

41 posted on 11/01/2012 10:09:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Yes.

Fill the document with a strip of bacon.
Return it.


42 posted on 11/01/2012 10:13:50 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: FollowingTheGrace

Nobody has ever been prosecuted for not filling out a census form. If you’re prepared to be firm, you will be bothered for a few months, and then they’ll go away.

“While big business benefits from having as much information about citizens as possible, many citizens are unwilling to give away their right to privacy. Hence, many are refusing to return the ACS. This automatically results in an additional form being sent, followed by a series of phone calls. In 21% of the cases, an unannounced, personal visit from a Census Bureau representative follows in a final attempt to get the survey completed. Often, more than one visit takes place.

In the end, however, the Census Bureau has no authority to enforce the laws that require the ACS be answered. The Census Bureau can press formal charges for non-compliance, but this is somewhat impractical given the number of forms that are not returned, or that are returned incomplete. A lawsuit would likely draw media attention and a public outcry that would very probably bring an end to the survey or end mandatory compliance. As of early 2007, no legal action has been taken against anyone for refusing to answer the ACS.”

There’s a lot of websites with people posting their experiences getting rid of these leeches. There’s a set procedure and time frame that they go by.

Here’s a couple links.

http://www.cxliv.org/2006/02/03/american-community-survey/

http://censusthis.wordpress.com/


43 posted on 11/01/2012 10:28:07 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: All

Here’s an old manual describing their procedures for people who resist.

http://www.fcsm.gov/committees/ihsng/diffendalasa2000.pdf


44 posted on 11/01/2012 11:00:21 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: waynesa98

Really. Last time I was an unemployed Black Lesbian executive making 250K/Year. (evil grin)

Still figuring how I’m going to top that, next time it shows up in my mailbox. . .


45 posted on 11/01/2012 11:07:28 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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Last time I was an unemployed Black Lesbian executive making 250K/Year

If you get the farm version claim all sorts of cash crops on the back 40 million acres. lol

46 posted on 11/01/2012 11:21:21 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Nah. But I WILL report the details of my wife’s farm.

In Farmville. On Facebook.

(evil grin)


47 posted on 11/01/2012 11:35:14 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: FollowingTheGrace
I have a relative who threw that same thing away. A few weeks later, a census worker knocked on the door, and was told to get off the property. The next day, the same census woker showed up with the local police demanding the questions be answered. The census worker was again told to leave private property, and this time spouted off some law that was in violation, to which my relative replied, "Charge me now. I will pay the fine and write a check now, but you must leave now, and I'm not answering your questions."

The worker and the police left, and it's been almost a year and the harrassment stopped. I understand that if the questions are answered falsely, the fine gets bigger.


Welcome to the USSA!
48 posted on 11/01/2012 11:35:14 PM PDT by goron (It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees.)
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To: FollowingTheGrace

I received the ACS a couple of years ago. I never returned the form to the Census Department. Nothing will happen to you if you throw the form away.

HOWEVER, be prepared for the Census Department to hound you in person & by phone for about 90 days to fill out the form. After 90 days, they’re off to hound the next victim.


49 posted on 11/02/2012 12:47:33 AM PDT by bobcat62
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To: goron

Why the hell would local cops play along? They have zero jurisdiction to enforce silly federal laws. Were they bored? Are the feds supplementing their income?

Soft tyranny is so evil that it’s not even fun to resist. Imagine how much precious time is stolen from people’s lives because they think they have to become little unpaid bureaucrats.


50 posted on 11/02/2012 1:01:18 AM PDT by Tublecane
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