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Researchers look beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory
Phys Org ^ | October 28, 2012

Posted on 10/28/2012 8:50:13 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

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To: JRandomFreeper

I had assumed you were referring to religions centuries ago...but, remember...they were the scientists most often and the debates were similar to today.

Indeed, think about the blacklisting scientists who do not drink from the global warming dogma suffer in grants and promotions at university’s etc. Heresy is now the dominion of science more than “organized religion”.

On the other hand, change takes time generally to accept in science. Like Intelligent Design rather than the failed philosophy of Darwinian Evolution theory. It will take another generation for widespread acceptance, but it will be accepted.


21 posted on 10/28/2012 9:44:15 PM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: James C. Bennett

Be careful reducing the power of an almighty God to our understanding of science.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 9:45:22 PM PDT by TheZMan (Obama is without a doubt the worst President ever elected to these United States)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Terra really does orbit Sol in an ellipse. As do the other planets and stuff in this solar system.

Well, if you want to get picky ... no. Elliptical orbits solve the Newtonian two body problem, and hence represent a conceptual advance over eccentric circular orbits, but Kepler's third law may be disovered to be in error by checking against Norton's Sky Atlas with a calculator. This is not to mention perturbations. So even within Newtonian dynamics the ellipses are an idealization.

23 posted on 10/28/2012 9:45:42 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: JerseyanExile

Ah yes, the four particle hidden influence inequality experiment. That’s the one that turns the experimenter’s planet into a lovely glowing red ball for a few seconds before it expands into a much larger orange ball that suddenly goes dark.


24 posted on 10/28/2012 9:55:40 PM PDT by TChad
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To: dfwgator

Google tells me you are quoting BLAZING SADDLES.

For actual attribution I only find, “I tell you: one must still have chaos within oneself, to give birth to a dancing star.”

We might compare this to Genesis 1:2 and find it moving in the same orbit.


25 posted on 10/28/2012 10:01:59 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
Get me a new keyboard, and I might. ;)

The particular bit of crap moving under the keys works it's way from the left shift button to the right shift button in a somewhat parabolic arc. It's an FR fault. I wind up laughing too much over the keyboard.

/johnny

26 posted on 10/28/2012 10:14:47 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JerseyanExile

I had a dream (last year?) and I posted it it here on FR that explained everything ...

Basically Reality is a Hologram on about a million panes of Glass and the Big Bang is when God Dropped them “BOOM” now there are Hundreds of Millions of copies of Reality that God is sweeping up... the many shards of the many many Universes into a Dust Pan muttering OK “Practice Makes Perfect” and we are the Reality of one of those few pieces that were lost under the couch.

Just kidding, we are probably the one that is on his slide under the Microscope...

Don’t know... I may have to have that dream again to be sure.

Never-mind

TT


27 posted on 10/28/2012 10:16:25 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: dr_lew
Dude, I'm a cook. Describing Terra's orbit as an ellipse is within order of magnitude, and close enough to hit Mars if you keep your units straight. ;)

/johnny

28 posted on 10/28/2012 10:18:12 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

In case you don’t know, if you draw a circle with a compass on an 8X11 sheet of paper, the shape of earth’s orbit will easily lie within the pencil line of that circle.

... so let’s not sell Ptolemy short! ... and I mean that sincerely.


29 posted on 10/28/2012 10:26:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: JerseyanExile

“Mathematically (and mind-bogglingly), these constraints define an 80-dimensional object. The testable hidden influence inequality is the boundary of the shadow this 80-dimensional shape casts in 44 dimensions. The researchers showed that quantum predictions can lie outside this boundary, which means they are going against one of the assumptions.”

Um...good luck to all with this bit!


30 posted on 10/28/2012 10:30:55 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: dr_lew
Terra's orbit... roughly 16 light minutes, reduced to 8". I'm going to call that 2 light minutes per inch. My pencil uses 0.5 lead(which is graphite). And it's unit of measure is mm, so convert back to imperial, and you get 0.019685 inches for the pencil line width.

So... 0.019685(2*60*C)... yeah. that's a wide line.

Cook math. It's all I got.

/johnny

31 posted on 10/28/2012 10:38:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: dr_lew
ANY thread on FR has an appropriate Blazing Saddles quote. Most of life does.

Mel Brooks... What a guy...

/johnny

32 posted on 10/28/2012 10:50:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JerseyanExile

I think this calls for an Endowed Chair and a new wing on the school of theoretical mathematics somewhere. Until then there are papers to be written and book manuscripts to be delivered to the publishers. Maybe conferences in nice places to study the universe over good wine.

Somehow or another we’ll get it all sorted out.


33 posted on 10/28/2012 10:56:26 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JerseyanExile

LOL.... this really is a lot simpler than they make it.

They do not consider that the operational frequency of consciousness increasing past the speed of light collapses the time space continuum. When the soul is cleansed of the anchors of low frequency thoughts this is not that difficult. It’s how I see the future in meditation.

Sorry to say, I don’t like what I see.


34 posted on 10/28/2012 10:56:58 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: JRandomFreeper

I follow you up to 0.019685” = 0.5 mm . Not so sure what 2*60*C signifies.

The idea is that the eccentricity of earth’s orbit is 0.0167, but this is the “off centeredness”, which is the distance of the focus of the orbit from the center, in terms of the radius, or more precisely, the semimajor axis, and a circle shifted by this amount gives an excellent approximation to earth’s orbit. Considered as an ellipse, the minor axis is sqrt( 1 - e^2) times the major axis, or approximately ( 1 - 1/2 e^2 ) or (1 - 0.00014)

But 0.00014 X 8” is 0.001” which is to be compared to the pencil line width of 0.02” . So when I say “easily”, I mean that the pencil line width is twenty times as great as the difference between the major and minor diameters of the earth’s orbit, accurately drawn.


35 posted on 10/28/2012 11:09:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: albionin
Whenever I read about this stuff my brain starts to hurt.

Don't worry about it. That always happens when it stretches.

36 posted on 10/28/2012 11:09:33 PM PDT by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: dr_lew
2 light minutes per inch, per the scale you specified (orbit of earth drawn as a circle on 8 1/2 x 11 paper).

Multiply by 60 to get light seconds per scale inch.

Multiply by C (speed of light) to get answer in whatever unit of measure you use for C. I use 186000 miles per second. Multiply by the paper line width. That's the width of the line, to scale.

Cook math. Order of magnitude. Close enough. I don't launch Mars orbiters, and if I did, I'd keep the units the same, even if we were using furlongs per fortnight.

/johnny

37 posted on 10/28/2012 11:25:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I can only say that I regard myself as familiar with the movie, having seen it first run, and several times after that, and I’m rather chagrined that I didn’t recogize the quote. Well, ars longa vita brevis.


38 posted on 10/28/2012 11:31:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew
I watch it regularly, since I have the DVD. But you knew I was sorta crazy, without me telling you that. ;)

I like to laugh. I can quote long parts of it. Cooks do weird stuff, when you don't work 'em hard enough.

BTW, my speed of light number in furlongs per fortnight is 1.8026175* 10^12.

/johnny

39 posted on 10/28/2012 11:39:51 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Multiply by C (speed of light) to get answer in whatever unit of measure you use for C. I use 186000 miles per second. Multiply by the paper line width. That's the width of the line, to scale.

You're scaling the line up to "actual size", with units unspecified, which begs the question. That question is namely, what is the ratio of the major and minor axes of earth's orbit? and how does it compare with the ratio of an 0.5 mm pencil line to an 8" diameter drawn circle?

40 posted on 10/28/2012 11:40:09 PM PDT by dr_lew
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