I know nothing.
Posted on 10/01/2012 11:16:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Over the past few centuries, science can be said to have gradually chipped away at the traditional grounds for believing in God. Much of what once seemed mysterious—the existence of humanity, the life-bearing perfection of Earth, the workings of the universe—can now be explained by biology, astronomy, physics and other domains of science.
Although cosmic mysteries remain, Sean Carroll, a theoretical cosmologist at the California Institute of Technology, says there's good reason to think science will ultimately arrive at a complete understanding of the universe that leaves no grounds for God whatsoever. …
Another role for God is as a raison d'être for the universe. Even if cosmologists manage to explain how the universe began, and why it seems so fine-tuned for life, the question might remain why there is something as opposed to nothing. To many people, the answer to the question is God. According to Carroll, this answer pales under scrutiny. There can be no answer to such a question, he says. …
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Duh, no. We are physical and as such can never perform metaphysical experiments. There’s this principle called “finite but unbounded,” and it is used to pretend nothing is outside the universe. It is nonsense.
I have reasons to believe there is a God.
Some “theoretical cosmetologist” at some fancy “institute” has a problem with God? So?
I remember someone saying that we use science as a way to understand the makings of God.
Science will have the answer sooner rather than later: http://www.patburt.com/
god created evolution. problem solved
Always entertaining to read metaphysical pronouncements from people who have no acquaintance with metaphysics.
No, not quite.
Besides, God does not need evolution, which frankly has never been proven at any time.
From their pontifications, it also seems that their knowledge of observable physics is somewhat lacking.
They tried that back in 1996.
Once again a journalist cherry picks a particular scientist to support the leftist agenda.
it works for me
That’s backwards. It’s the other way around. Science will “prove” the probability/reality of God. Religion and science eventually end up at the same place.
“god created evolution. problem solved”
You’d think.
Scientist I know are fine with this.
Creationist may crucify you for suggesting it.
Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Lawrence Krauss gives a talk on our current picture of the universe, how it will end, and how it could have come from nothing. Krauss is the author of many bestselling books on Physics and Cosmology, including “The Physics of Star Trek.”
God is Truth.
If these scientists really are searching for truth, as opposed to searching for a world without God, they will find God.
If they really are searching for truth, they will have no choice but to find God.
They have been saying this since the time of David.
Psalm 14-1
The fool says in his heart, “God does not exist.”
They are corrupt; they do vile deeds.
There is no one who does good.
Silly scientist, how can you think you can learn everything when with every new discovery, you learn about even more things that you don’t know and never thought of before.
I’ve watched that before. How can the vacuum (”nothing”) be the most massive and energetic structure in the Universe, yet its existence taken for granted when one of these blowhards says the Universe came from nothing?
God will be around long after Carroll is forgotten.
Perhaps God will rule out science, someday, and say, You just gotta have faith.
Stick around folks. It’s going to get very interesting.
But first we have to get rid of the Carbon Dioxide voodo scientists.
At least we have the plants on our side. They already have an organization, the EPA = Earth Plants Association.
To claim that anything comes from “nothing” implies that matter should pop in and out of existence spontaneously even now. But it does not. Creation always violates the laws of thermodynamics, so it is not possible for something to arise out of nothing.
He wants to replace one deity with another "an all powerful sense of something".
religion does not compete with true science. True science talks about the how in observable actions. Religion deals with the intangible, science the tangible.
I know that, but of course our buddies in the media want to set these neo-druids up as “scientists”.
Virtual particles do pop in and out of existence all the time.
Will God Someday Rule Out the Possibility of Science?
Those theoretical undetectable particles? Something has to be observable to be real to scientists, yes . . . ? The reality may be more edifying, I suspect.
I know nothing.
And the king spake unto Ashpenaz the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel, and of the king's seed, and of the princes; / Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.The Hebrew word translated “science” here is also the modern Hebrew word for science (madda’ מדע).
— Daniel 1:3-4
To discuss with hubby later.
All the science discussion is just to try to prove there is no God. A Christian scientist knows there is God and sees His creation that way. If you look at the whole space program, it was mainly a program to try to prove water, bacteria, or some other organic material is somewhere off Earth. Finding a bacteria on Mars is a far cry from proving there is no God, but it makes them feel they are right and don't have to answer for their sins.
True science should prove evolution is impossible for an organism to stay alive long enough to mutate in a way to digest food, see with eyes, and other bodily functions. If you just look at the digestive system and it's enzymes, you should fall down in awe of the complexity involved to change a piece of meat into energy. How many organisms had to be born and then die because they couldn't eat and live before a mutant could digest food using hundreds of amino acids and enzymes? The mathematical possibilities are ZERO! How could they live long enough to reproduce without being able to eat? The questions write themselves.
...until then it's all theory and theories that lack the logical and reasonable assumptions of a higher being being ultimately responsible for what is us and around us.
There are fundamental contradictions which remain unexplained, there are ongoing missing links, and as Einstein said, "As the diameter of a circle of light grows, so does the circumference of the darkness around it."
We don't know what we don't know yet, but those who are prideful in the knowledge we do possess think differently.
When we can come up with next week's weather forecast (a reliable one) week after week, when we can predict earthquakes with reliability, and say with certainty where and when lightning will strike, get back to me.
Otherwise, it is great fun to toss our meager intellects against the majesty of Creation in an effort to understand what God hath wrought.
What of the mathematical probability of developing DNA with sufficient instructions on how to digest material in order to prolong life and then reach the point of being able to reproduce . . . ? Enzymes themselves are programmed to catalyze but one chemical reaction, but who did the programming?—I have never seen any computer program write itself spontaneously (I’m sure IBM would have loved that, but that ain’t how it works).
I always thinks it is funny when scientists use their God given ability to Reason to prove there is no God. In order for Reason to be valid it cannot be the effect of an irrational cause, it must separate and independent of nature. Otherwise it is simply the epiphenomenon of chemical reactions, electrical impulses, etc.
God is laughing His head off over all this nonsense.
> Creationist may crucify you for suggesting it.
We may vigorously disagree, but we don’t crucify anybody.
In fact, the atheist communists have probably killed more Christians than all the other persecutors combined.
It’s the Christians that are crucified in this world, literally as well as figuratively.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/shows/cwn/2009/October/Christians-Crucified-in-South-Sudan/
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2007/07/christians-crud.html
... as well as shot to death, burned alive, beheaded, drowned, drawn and quartered, sawn in half, tortured.
http://www.christianbook.com/foxes-book-of-martyrs/9780800786649/pd/0786645?event=CF
http://www.christianbook.com/martyrs-mirror-thieleman-van-braght/9780836113907/pd/611390X?event=CF
Trying to disprove the Creator is a fools errand.
The Vedic religion allowed for some interpretations that there was no deity.
Essentially it states that karma defines everything -- and since there is karma, there is no need for a God as a governor. Furthermore it states that if God is an enforcer, God would be either egoistic or altruistic. Now, God's motives cannot be assumed to be altruistic because an altruistic God would not create a world so full of suffering. If his motives are assumed to be egoistic, then God must be thought to have desire, as agency or authority cannot be established in the absence of desire. However, assuming that God has desire would contradict God's eternal freedom which necessitates no compulsion in actions.
Yes, one day science will disprove the existence of God, that day will be April 1st, 2893 and God will give science a big old whupping they won’t forget on April 2nd, 2893.
Any other questions?
Science is God showing Man a little leg then kicking back with a laugh until time to show some more.
‘There was a group of scientists, and they were all sitting around discussing which one of them was going to go to God and tell him that they didn’t need him anymore.
‘One of the scientists volunteered and went to tell God he was no longer needed. The scientist says to God: “God, you know, a bunch of us have been thinking, and I’ve come to tell you that we really don’t need you anymore. I mean, we’ve been coming up with great theories and ideas, we’ve cloned sheep, and we’re on the verge of cloning humans. So as you can see, we really don’t need you.”
‘God nods understandingly and says, “I see. Well, no hard feelings. But before you go, let’s have a contest. What do you think?”
‘The scientist says, “Sure. What kind of contest?”
‘God replies, “A human-making contest where we make a human being.”
‘The scientist quickly agrees, “Sure! No problem.”
‘The scientist bends down and picks up a handful of dirt and says, “Okay, I’m ready!”
‘God shakes that divine head, “No, no, no…you go get your own dirt.”’
Just heard that joke from mynpastorvthe other day...;)
We were talking about educated fools and their wishful thinking and how stupid they were in not being able to understand that our knowledge is too limited and that our capabilities are too finite to be able to grasp how our very existence came to be. Here they are thinking that Christians believe God will be in a white robe flying around the sky in a chariot while we are thinking that He is an omnipotent being that does not have to travel from point A to B like we do, that He is the ultimate Scientist and Physician and has intellect far and above what any man can conceive. No, the educated fools aren’t thinking outside the box and being “intelligent”...lol
I have tried that before here. Doesn’t work - too many creationists on FR that will never entertain the idea that God put a system in place for evolution.
Isn’t that another form of creationism?
Evolution is pure chance right? Random mutation coupled with natural selection.
If you add in a dose of “God” in the mix - it is no longer random.
“Although cosmic mysteries remain, Sean Carroll, a theoretical cosmologist at the California Institute of Technology, says there’s good reason to think science will ultimately arrive at a complete understanding of the universe that leaves no grounds for God whatsoever.”
Book to follow, foundations of religion and science shaken by controversial new theory, ground breaking study, blah and more blah. Just a few a little details to be worked out like....like....where do they find these people?
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