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A Doctor's Thoughts on Antibiotics, Expiration Dates
Survival Blog ^ | 7/26/10 | Dr. Bones

Posted on 09/14/2012 4:31:38 PM PDT by Kartographer

As a recently-retired physician who is married to a nurse-midwife, my preparedness group looks to us as the post-TEOTWAWKI hospital and medical staff. Medical progress has been exponential and even just the last decade of scientific breakthroughs can equal a century of improvement in medical treatments, surgical techniques and pharmaceuticals. However, in the years (months?) ahead, the crumbling of the infrastructure and devolution of society in general will very likely throw us back to a medical system that existed in the 19th Century.

Let’s take an example: When the U.S. was a young nation, the average woman could expect to be pregnant 10-12 times during her reproductive lifetime (no reliable means of birth control). One out of four women would not survive the pregnancy, either from issues relating to blood loss from miscarriage or childbirth or Infection (no antibiotics) following same. A myriad of other complications occurred which are treatable today but weren’t back then. I collect old medical books, and even relatively modern obstetric textbooks devoted entire chapters on how to crush a fetus’ skull in order to expedite its removal from a critically ill mother, with instruments that clearly had no other purpose. When childbirth was successful, she could expect perhaps 3-4 of her children to survive to become adults, on average, with many minor children succumbing to simple infections that had no known effective treatment at the time.

This is the grim reality that we, in modern times, will face when the inevitable happens and current medical technology and treatments are unavailable to us.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: antibiotics; expirationdate; medicine; medicinepreppers; medsexpirationdate; preparedness; preppers; survival
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To: Marcella; Kartographer
It's considered bad form to poke fun at the cook. ;)

/johnny

41 posted on 09/14/2012 5:51:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: diamond6

See Post #34 for one place.


42 posted on 09/14/2012 6:02:00 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper; Kartographer

“It’s considered bad form to poke fun at the cook. ;)”

If Kart and I end up with you being the cook, I promise to be really good. I’m not sure Kart can be good.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 6:04:39 PM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Kartographer

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A must for everyone. Shop for the best price!


44 posted on 09/14/2012 6:12:28 PM PDT by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: M Kehoe

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45 posted on 09/14/2012 6:19:23 PM PDT by suthener
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To: Marcella; Kartographer; All

You are what you eat. If you insist on eating processed chemicals, why would you be surprised when your body becomes inflamed, irritated or fills with pus and bacteria?

The American diet is unhealthy. People eat far too much processed grains, sugars and meats. Drive outside of town and locate a well kept farm. Stop in and ask them if they will raise a grass fed cow for you on a field using only natural fertilizers. Do a little research and you’ll find a local price that is fair.

Then don’t cook the meat in a microwave oven which kills all of the nutrients. Also don’t cook it well done which also damages the nutrients.

Stop drinking all soda pop and get back to drinking non fluoridated water.

It’s crazy but when you eat healthy foods your needs for medicines (chemical pills) disappears.

Stop using deodorants on your body. The thin skin under your arm absorbs the chemicals very readily. Stop burning scented candles in your home. Your lungs don’t need it even if your nose likes it.

Horse sense or common sense, what ever you want to call it will keep you healthy.


46 posted on 09/14/2012 6:49:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: djf

They come off the same assembly lines.


47 posted on 09/14/2012 7:14:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: B4Ranch
Hokay...

I eat mostly what I kill, and most of my carbs are processed right here in the house.

I don't own a microwave (exceptions for radio gear).

You have a fetish about food. It's carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen, with trace elements. CHON. You are it, you eat it.

Even if you eat the perfect diet. You, and me, and everyone we know ARE GOING TO DIE!

I will know who died happy and who died with a stick up their ventral orifice, after your posting.

I'll be the guy hoo-rahing and otherwise being obnoxious.

/johnny

48 posted on 09/14/2012 7:19:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Marcella; Kartographer
Technically, it's safe to poke fun at the cook. He'll just outlive you from pure cussedness.

/johnny

49 posted on 09/14/2012 7:24:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: djf
If some farmer loses a herd of prize steer because of bunk antibiotics, the lawyers would be lined up around the block to take the case, potentially we’re talking millions of dollars, especially if it’s breed stock.

I'd like to see these breeding steers you speak of. :)

I had a bottle of the fish mox a few years ago and it cleared up an infected cut in a hurry. Good stuff.

50 posted on 09/14/2012 7:25:22 PM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: eartrumpet

Honey also works as a topical antibacterial. Not super strong but is effective.


51 posted on 09/14/2012 7:27:54 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

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52 posted on 09/14/2012 7:31:02 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Does keeping antibiotics in the freezer extend their shelf life?

Whenever I would purchase antibiotics for research laboratory use, I would store them in the freezer at -20C. Antibiotics for research are sold in powder form, and can be stored indefinitely frozen. When I would make antibiotic solutions, I would store them in the freezer, too. The solutions lose potency when thawed and frozen again, so I would store the solutions in quantities that I could use within a few days. Tetracycline solution was made in alcohol, which does not freeze solid, so I never had to thaw it out. Many antibiotics are light-sensitive (especially tetracycline), so it is best to wrap them in foil to protect them from the light.

Oh, one other important point is that laboratory freezers do not have a defrost cycle. Antibiotics stored in a regular home freezer, which self defrosts, will deteriorate. You need a non-defrosting freezer to store medical supplies. When you want to defrost the freezer, you have to make sure to keep the medical supplies frozen in an ice chest or another freezer.

53 posted on 09/14/2012 7:34:46 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: eartrumpet

I know, I know, thought about it after I wrote it but before I hit post. Figured it’s still get the point across, so I posted it anyways.


54 posted on 09/14/2012 8:24:48 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You say I have a fetish about food. No, I have an aversion to consuming processed chemicals that are advertised as food products or as being beneficial for humans.

From what I can tell you are probably eating the ideal diet. Not too many years ago a veterinarian chemist showed me a list of the chemicals that he had found in an adult hogs liver. I asked him about adult cows and he then dug around a found his list of what’s in their liver. It was almost as bad. That’s the day that I swapped over to eating grass fed beef.

What would give you reason to believe I might have a stick up my ventral orifice?


55 posted on 09/14/2012 8:25:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You are very experienced and have alot of skills.

But average American Idol watchers, what will it do to them when every single person in America knows AT LEAST one person who has died of say, cholera, in the last month.

It would shock them to their very soul.

And I hate to think it, but maybe it’s about time.


56 posted on 09/14/2012 8:30:57 PM PDT by djf (Political Science: Conservatives = govern-ment. Liberals = givin-me-it.)
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To: Bride Of Old Sarge

Antibiotics PING!


57 posted on 09/14/2012 8:35:26 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: SENTINEL
Where did you purchase the "fish" azythromycin for your "fish", if I may ask?

Glad to hear your "fish" isn't coughing, anymore.

58 posted on 09/14/2012 8:40:48 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: B4Ranch; JRandomFreeper

Your post made me crave deep fired catfish hush puppies, sugar sweeten tea and a big piece of pecan pie with ice cream!


59 posted on 09/14/2012 8:53:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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BFLR


60 posted on 09/14/2012 8:55:32 PM PDT by Raven6 (Psalm 144:1 and Proverbs 22:3)
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