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WEEKLY GARDEN THREAD VOLUME 36 SEPTEMBER 7, 2012
Free Republic | Sept. 7, 2012 | greeneyes

Posted on 09/07/2012 10:09:42 AM PDT by greeneyes

The Weekly Gardening Thread is a weekly gathering of folks that love soil, seeds and plants of all kinds. From complete newbies that are looking to start that first potted plant, to gardeners with some acreage, to Master Gardener level and beyond, we would love to hear from you.

This thread is non-political, although you will find that most here are conservative folks. No matter what, you won’t be flamed and the only dumb question is the one that isn’t asked.

It is impossible to hijack the Weekly Gardening Thread ... there is no telling where it will go and that is part of the fun and interest. Jump in and join us!


TOPICS: Gardening
KEYWORDS: agriculture; food; gardening; hobbies
Greetings from Missouri. We got another 2 inches of rain yesterday. Neighbor across the street had to dig a new well on Tuesday. So we are still conserving water as much as we can.

Hope everyone has a good fall crop. God Bless.

1 posted on 09/07/2012 10:09:48 AM PDT by greeneyes
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To: greeneyes

please add me to your list


2 posted on 09/07/2012 10:11:47 AM PDT by gotribe
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To: greeneyes; Diana in Wisconsin; gardengirl; girlangler; SunkenCiv; HungarianGypsy; Gabz; ...

Pinging the Garden List.


3 posted on 09/07/2012 10:13:33 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: gotribe; Ellendra; JustaDumbBlonde

gotribe, you’ve been added to my “unofficial list”

Ellendra, and JADB, would you please add to the official garden lists?


4 posted on 09/07/2012 10:18:12 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Anyone have a source for “Sea Buckthorn” bushes?


5 posted on 09/07/2012 10:30:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: greeneyes

Does anyone know anything about pruning fruit trees? We bought some bargain apple and pear tree that are leggy with no lower branches. Can they be cut back?


6 posted on 09/07/2012 10:40:53 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: stars & stripes forever

They can be cut back, and the way they are trimmed can have an impact on production.

Here is a link that has lots of info including “training” of fruit trees.

http://mtngrv.missouristate.edu/publications/


7 posted on 09/07/2012 10:52:23 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MrB

I don’t know anything about these, but I am sure that one of the other gardeners will have some ideas.


8 posted on 09/07/2012 10:54:24 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
Never have planted a fall garden, but vowed to have SOMETHING growing this Fall, so I planted some black-eyed peas last weekend. They came up in 4 days! I really should have planted them a few weeks ago, but it's been too hot to work. On another note, my husband helped me move my greenhouse off the slab it was on and to an area where I can plant directly into the ground, so I'm really looking forward to growing something in there past the frost date! Maybe tomatoes, then as it gets colder I will go with some salad fixings, etc.

We could use a rain now, but not nearly as bad off as some others.
9 posted on 09/07/2012 11:26:17 AM PDT by texas_mrs (We need ideas, not ideology.)
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To: texas_mrs

We are going to plant some beans, beets, spinach and lettuce for fall.

Later I will plant the winter garden. Lettuce, spinach, garlic, and onions. This will eventually be covered with row cover and straw.

In October, after the first frost, we will plant winter wheat and red clover in February.


10 posted on 09/07/2012 11:42:29 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MrB

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEA-BUCKTHORN-Hippophae-rhamnoides-100-EXTRA-seeds-BULK-/320974388129?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb907ba1
raise them from seed


11 posted on 09/07/2012 12:11:38 PM PDT by scottteng (Tax government employees til they quit and find something useful to do)
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To: greeneyes

I’ve got a tiny bit of heirloom hard white wheat seed, I’m thinking of trying a small patch inside of my garden - now that we have the deer problem largely solved. Mainly I want to try to increase my stock of seed a bit - for a “just in case” stash.


12 posted on 09/07/2012 1:34:53 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: greeneyes

We’ve had a couple more rain showers at my place since last week. I still haven’t decided if I’m going to put out any fall garden. The grass is turning green again so I guess I’ll need to service the lawn tractor this weekend. It hasn’t been started since May so there are bound to be a few cobwebs and a mud dauber nest or two inside.


13 posted on 09/07/2012 1:47:54 PM PDT by Augie
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To: greeneyes

Have the hummingbirds left everywhere north? I haven’t seen any in about a week.


14 posted on 09/07/2012 1:49:47 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: stars & stripes forever
They can't be pruned back now. Only prune them when the sap is down. The best time is between December to February.I live in Central Missouri,and that's when we prune here.
15 posted on 09/07/2012 1:56:46 PM PDT by painter (Rebuild The America We love!)
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To: Ladysforest

Yeh, We do this too. Try to have our favorite and most eaten products as heirloom seeds - just in case.


16 posted on 09/07/2012 2:06:31 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Augie

We are just now getting another rain shower today. Hope we can at least get close to normal precipitation before winter.

We do enjoy not having to mow.LOL. Only silver lining in the drought, but would gladly have mowed in exchange for rain and a good garden crop.


17 posted on 09/07/2012 2:09:10 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MamaDearest

I couldn’t say. We don’t normally see very many for some reason. We have wrens, robins, blue jays and darned starlings.


18 posted on 09/07/2012 2:10:46 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; gotribe

Done.

And thank you, greeneyes, for keeping the weekly thread going! I’m afraid I’ve been losing track of time a lot lately. I was thinking it was still Thursday!


19 posted on 09/07/2012 2:33:43 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: MrB

Raintree Nursery has several, they’re sometimes called seaberries.


20 posted on 09/07/2012 2:35:31 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Ellendra

You are welcome. Any time the thread hasn’t been posted by about noon, I am happy to pick up the thread and get it posted.


21 posted on 09/07/2012 2:37:04 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

My poor garden’s been a little neglected lately, I haven’t even gone out to pick zucchini for almost a week! Fortunately the variety I grow makes a good winter squash, so even the giant ones won’t go to waste. Money shortages have meant I’ve been working overtime on trying to build my fashion design business. Negotiations fell through with the company that wanted to buy them, so I’m listing them online myself. The first one is up, the second should be up soon, as soon as I get the photographs right.

The website I’m listing them through is http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel . They have a contest running where the designs with the most votes will be awarded a production contract!! If any of you folks feel like helping a FReeper out, could you click on that website and vote for me? I’d really appreciate it.

I’ve never realized how much work is involved in designing clothes before. It really is a full-time job.


22 posted on 09/07/2012 2:47:18 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: Ladysforest
Mainly I want to try to increase my stock of seed a bit - for a “just in case” stash.

The "just in case" was why instead of throwing out some 15 year old black bean seeds and red pea seeds, I'd give them one last chance the other day. Nothing has come up but I'll give them a few more days. If not, there's some new yellow wax beans to go in instead. I want to try out a few different varieties to hone in on what will do well and what won't.

I've also reworked a little part of the garden layout to squeeze in another row. Before next spring, it's going to be totally redesigned for easier watering. I don't know what to do about the row along the roadside fence because nothing grows there. We dug up a bunch of old broken bathroom remodeling that the contractor hid so I'm thinking there's more there or something weird. I know the little side plot doesn't grow some things well but I'm not giving up on it.

BTW, I'd asked last week about black and orange bugs and finally listened to that little voice and sure enough they were ladybug larvas!!! Stupid, stupid me! I should know better and should be banned from going anywhere near a garden.

23 posted on 09/07/2012 3:01:29 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Ellendra

I’ll do it. Good Luck.


24 posted on 09/07/2012 3:06:45 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

Thank you!!


25 posted on 09/07/2012 3:24:29 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: MrB

Raintree Nursery out in Washington state, I believe. At least, that’s where I got mine. Be sure to get a male plant or two to pollinate. Here’s a recipe:

http://www.rivercottage.net/recipes/pdf/sea-buckthorn-fizz/


26 posted on 09/07/2012 4:37:50 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: greeneyes; SunkenCiv
We went to an annual night blast at Crazy Horse Memorial last night. Here are a couple of pictures I took in the museum displays that should be of interest to the Gardening Ping List, as well as the GGG List, though its not an article. The corn in the picture is intermediate between the ancient 'seeds in the tassel' type and our modern corn. Each kernel is in its own pod on the cob, and apparently needs to be threshed like wheat or other grains. The pictures are clickable links to the full size images on Photobucket.

Photobucket

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27 posted on 09/07/2012 6:55:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: ApplegateRanch

That’s really interesting. I never knew that there was corn like that.


28 posted on 09/07/2012 7:15:00 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

I am thinking of planting red clover in a new area where I want to set up next years garden.

At what temperature do you plant it? When do you cut it down - before or after flower? Do you plough it under or just cut it and let it sit there breaking down?

Thanks for the help.


29 posted on 09/07/2012 9:53:11 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: greeneyes

I am thinking of planting red clover in a new area where I want to set up next years garden.

At what temperature do you plant it? When do you cut it down - before or after flower? Do you plough it under or just cut it and let it sit there breaking down?

Thanks for the help.


30 posted on 09/07/2012 9:53:11 PM PDT by dervish (ABO)
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To: dervish

IIRC, you just plough it under before it flowers and a few weeks before you intend to plant. No mention was made of the temperature, but in the booklet entitled: growing your own grains, it stated that you could intersperse the red clover seed with the winter wheat in February.

This was just my third summer for real gardening, so I am certainly no expert. I have done a lot of reading at various websites in addition to books.

The problem is my memory is not as good as it once was, so I have to keep re - reading everything!LOL.


31 posted on 09/08/2012 7:49:01 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Ellendra; MissMagnolia

MissMagnolia has requested to be added to my list. She says she was on JDAB’s list. Just wanted to be sure she is on yours.


32 posted on 09/08/2012 8:38:44 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

What I learned this year about heirlooms.

My heirloom BUSH green beans were no longer viable after two years in storage. It may have just been that particular package - but it has made me cautious.

Heirloom tomatoes seeds I had sitting around for two years came up nicely. I’ve never grown tomatoes from seed before, just always purchased heirloom plants from the nursery, so I wasn’t sure what to expect.

I should have started them earlier - by about three weeks. And they seem to grow a bit slower than the non-heirloom plants my husband brought. They come back nicely after deer attacks- but slowly. I am hoping the tomatoes have time to ripen. I also planted some six or seven year old seed for grape tomatoes, and I figured they weren’t viable, but after six weeks they sprouted. I don’t think the fruit will have time to do much though, but it has been a good lesson to me.

Heirloom cucumber seed (straight eight) seems to do fairly well even after three years in storage, beets not so much. Pole blue lake beans seem to hold up better after storage than the bush variety, but I’d say had about a 60% viability after two years stored.

I scooped up a good bunch of heirloom seed packs at the Agway this summer on sale. They were out of most beans, which bummed me out. I wanted to try beans next year.

I planted a couple of zucs in early summer - after most of my garden had been consumed by varmints and horrid weather - and I am happy to say that I have two lovely zucchinis just about ready to be picked. I really don’t care for zucs, but I knew they are vigorous growers, have a short season, and I wanted to harvest SOMETHING this year LOL. Husband makes amazing zucchini bread, so that’s the bonus. While I know that I should have expected more than two fruits, after the horrid season I have had I am content with those. Hell, I feel like having them bronzed.


33 posted on 09/08/2012 8:48:45 AM PDT by Ladysforest
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The old pomegranate bush in bloom earlier this year .....

... and we ended up with a few pomegranates ... but very few compared to the number of blooms!

34 posted on 09/08/2012 8:51:47 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Ladysforest

I just try to plant and harvest some of the favorite heirlooms each year, and save enough for next year. I put them into medicine containers, and then in a coffee can, and store in the refrigerator.

I only keep the last 2 years on hand. My main interest is corn, beans, melons, cukes, and tomatoes. I did harvest some lettuce seed this year too.


35 posted on 09/08/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: MissMagnolia

Great pictures, thanks for sharing. What zone are you in? How long does it take a pomegranate to produce fruit?


36 posted on 09/08/2012 9:11:11 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

We’re smack on the line between 7a & 7b. The picture of the bush with blooms was taken May 23 & I took the pomegranate fruit picture today ..... so about 4 months .... don’t think the fruit is ripe yet.


37 posted on 09/08/2012 9:31:58 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: Ellendra

I guess I’m dumb, but I went to your website, and I can’t figure out how to vote for you or to check out prices and sizes available. When I clicked “buy”, the website took me to a bunch of other designers. I was able to find you again by name, however.

I’m not looking to buy (at least not right now) but I’d like to know know more about your garment design because I have friends who might be interested. You need to work some glitches out of that website, or your business won’t take off. And I really want it to be a success for you!


38 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (Joe Biden is reported to be seeking asylum in a foreign country so he does not have to debate Ryan.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It’s not just you, the website isn’t all that user-friendly from the seller’s point of view. If you click the link, there should be a picture and a row of stars on the right side of the screen, you can click the picture to see more details, and click the stars to rate them. I’m still figuring out how to list things for sale, but I’ve managed to get some things added to my portfolio there.


39 posted on 09/08/2012 12:11:23 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: greeneyes

Done!


40 posted on 09/08/2012 12:12:20 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: ApplegateRanch

One of the seed catalogs I get used to carry pod corn. Can’t remember which one.


41 posted on 09/08/2012 12:23:54 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: All

The deer did not get all of our sunflowers this year! :-)

42 posted on 09/09/2012 11:48:20 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: All

The Crape Myrtles had a good year.

43 posted on 09/09/2012 11:50:33 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: MissMagnolia

Lovely. I don’t think they grow here in Benderville.


44 posted on 09/10/2012 8:23:28 PM PDT by tubebender (Evening news is where they begin with "Good Evening," and then proceed to tell you why it isn't.)
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To: greeneyes

Please add me to weekly garden thread ping list, Thanks!


45 posted on 09/13/2012 4:41:33 PM PDT by redver
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To: redver; Ellendra; JustaDumbBlonde

redver, you have been added to my list.

Ellendra and JADB, would you please add redver to your lists?

Thanks


46 posted on 09/13/2012 6:28:36 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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