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There were TWO UFO crashes at Roswell, claims former Air Force official who says he was there
DailyMailOnline UK ^ | 6 August 2012 | Daily Mail Reporter

Posted on 08/07/2012 9:25:37 PM PDT by LucyT

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51 posted on 08/08/2012 4:03:27 AM PDT by airborne (MY HEROES DON'T WEAR CAPES. MY HEROES WEAR DOG TAGS ! ! !)
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To: LibertyRocks

No no,swamp gas, now repeat after me everything all millions of sightings are all swamp gas. Then show the tin foil hat and make fun. Remember swamp gas. That’s all it is.We are the ultimate of all beings. There could never be anything out there beyond our intellect.....


52 posted on 08/08/2012 6:54:22 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: AlexW

Yeah you got it buddy. Its all swamp gas and 1952 at the capitol building in dc never happened.Last year at O Hair never happened,and all the other millions of sightings of ufos and uso’s, just more swamp gas.No sense upsetting everything we “know” to be true....


53 posted on 08/08/2012 6:59:11 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Aqua225

“The weapon itself was very doable and was more than theory in the 40’s.”

Tesla?


54 posted on 08/08/2012 7:01:46 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

Just ignore the writing on the other side of the paper Gen. Ramey is holding in his hand,its all swamp gas.


55 posted on 08/08/2012 7:02:22 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: AlexW

I think Quix opussed out...


56 posted on 08/08/2012 7:04:28 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: rodguy911

Didn’t someone analyze the letter in his hand and retrieve some words?


57 posted on 08/08/2012 7:11:25 AM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: AlexW
I will believe in ET when he lands in public view and makes contact with humans.

All my life I've had the same belief. Then the 'Stephenville lights" event occurred right where I live. I didn't see any of it, it was after dark and I was inside cooking supper, but I did hear the jets afterward. Still, that didn't convince me, only made me look up in the night sky whenever I was outdoors.
Then, the following February, my daughter and I were headed to Dublin from Stephenville. It was not yet dusk. We wouldn't have seen it if it hadn't happened right in the line of sight down the highway we were traveling. Lights just suddenly 'came on', all of them at the same instant, and whatever they were on would have to have been HUGE. Larger than several blocks, I would say, and a plane traveling in that area would have been a speck against it. We both saw it at the same time and said something like WHAT THE HECK IS THAT!? The lights stayed on several seconds, then blinked off. Stayed off maybe 5 seconds, then came on AGAIN. After a few seconds, they went off again and never re-appeared. It was obvious they were all on the same object, yet nothing could be seen, either while they were on OR off. From the first pulse, to the second, it was noticable that the thing was rotating clockwise and slightly downward and was circular. Still gives me chills. I hope it's ours.

I've had one other sighting since this, but it was totally different yet unexplainable and was also reported by others on MUFON besides myself.
58 posted on 08/08/2012 7:16:50 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: BreezyDog

Exactly,its how we learn most of what we know about the topic by chance happening. But don’t try and convince anyone here. They are waaay too invested in tin foil hats. Just let them wear them and keep telling them its swamp gas.


59 posted on 08/08/2012 7:24:36 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: texas_mrs

Don’t waste your time here. It was all swamp gas. No other entity exists in the entire universe that is superior to us.


60 posted on 08/08/2012 7:37:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: bonfire

Quix was not banned or anything, just asked to keep the UFO stuff off this site so as to not risk us being called nutjobs (HA!)

I still get private messages occasionally from Quix with all this stuff, and I love it

Oh, and I believe Bob Lazaar when he says he worked on reverse engineering UFO’s at Groom Lake (no one heard of Groom Lake before him- it is right next to, or inside Area 51)

Why not? it’s too much fun so I choose to


61 posted on 08/08/2012 7:42:24 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Mr. K

Area 51 IS Groom Lake...


62 posted on 08/08/2012 8:45:54 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: LibertyRocks
"Presumably any alien-originated UFO would need to have the same type of aerodynamics to permeate our atmosphere as well, wouldn’t it?"

Did you mean to say PENETRATE perhaps?

63 posted on 08/08/2012 9:29:30 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Mantra of the left: 'It's only okay when WE do it.'")
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To: Bikkuri

i thought Groom Lake was a facility INSIDE area 51 (different than the main base in Area 51)


64 posted on 08/08/2012 10:32:55 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Aqua225

SInce my current work is inertial fusion, you have no idea of what you are talkig about.

I will give you an example of the falacy of your thinking: Modern physics had enough information and tools as early as 1930 to successfully produce a laser....this invention did not occur until 1959 with Gordon Gould’s work (though one might say otherwise since his was a maser).

I did not say that you could not make a directed energy weapon with the available bits in the 40s....What I said was it was not done. Your point about EMP is meaningless unless you are suggesting that the US deployed a nucear device to bring down a UFO.

Look read more about this man’s claims and the air force officers who were there at the time. This man os old and truly delusional. You can wish all you want but this did not happen.


65 posted on 08/08/2012 10:44:56 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: jonrick46
Yup.

It is this aircraft that the Smithsonian is restoring.

When completed, the Ho-229 will look something like this:


66 posted on 08/08/2012 12:48:31 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
They are used to capture and focus faint radio signals into a stronger signal

I hope you do not "do" electronics warfare for a living these days. Frankly, you do not know what the heck you are talking about.

A corner reflector is just that, a freaking reflector! It is very useful to enhance small radar return objects like sailboats and buoys (why you see them on masts so often, duh) and as markers for radar ranges. Because they have a very predictable sigma, they are very useful for RCS measurement calibration. They also have the convenient feature of returning that strong reflection over wide incoming angles, unlike a flat plate, so positioning is not critical.

And yes, I did spend decades really doing this stuff. What you might be confusing things with as far as focus is a parabolic reflector, another thing entirely, and part of an antenna or telescope normally. Such a thing needs precise aiming, so unlikely to be carried up by balloon with no means of angular positioning.

67 posted on 08/08/2012 2:33:32 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

I dimly recall Jasik showing a simple monopole mounted in a corner reflector as a moderate gain antenna, but never saw one in 45 years in the business. Too many other reflector types work far better, no one bothered.


68 posted on 08/08/2012 2:37:36 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69
"Frankly, you do not know what the heck you are talking about."

Actually I do, although I may not have articulated it well. I'm perfectly familiar with the purpose of a corner reflector. In martime settings such as the one in the second image, the purpose of the reflector is to produce a much larger radar signature when swept. For a small civilian craft, that would be likely used to make itself more likely to be noticed by larger ships' radar, so as to help avoid collision.

An example of a use in electronic warfare in a martime setting is similar to deployment of chaff, where you deploy the reflector away from the ship in the hope that the oversized radar signature of the reflector draws away an inbound missile using active radar homing.

I may not know what purpose the (likely) corner reflector in the first image was put to, but looking at the debris, it appears to be the remnants of such a device or something similar.

Or are you saying that the junk in the first image is instead actually the leftovers of a crashed alien craft?

Meh

69 posted on 08/08/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: Mr. K
Groom Lake was the area on the map where 'Skunk Works' started (was created as an idea), at the time, was best place to do work where no one who notice... (FAR from populace)..

(skunk works) was the original name of the program.. They brought us the early model high alt recon (U-2.. and after that the SR-71)... then the stealth..

"AREA 51" was the grid location on the map (at the time).. .. .. (Govt. has said it is the wrong grid... but 5 was the grid at the time) but, for 'some reason', it changed..

I know the area.. we did our yearly 'Red Flag' there (Nellis AFB)..

Anyway, Area 51 is real.. Groom Lake is real.. was Groom Lake before the name 'Area 51' existed..
What happens there, only the people involved will know ;:p


Speaking of the SR-71.. I think many people now have at least heard of it.. but they have no idea WHAT it WAS.. original intent (the previous models and fails (because it was faster than bullets/rockets/missiles as the AN-12 (smaller version)))... So much out there, I think people would freak out that we had this technology back between 1956 (or so) and 1968..

More or less, it was to be a bomber/interceptor... but the prototypes 'killed' themselves because they were downed from there own projectiles :/

SO, it became the replacement for the U-2...

My Bird was the f-16.. but I always loved the Blackbird.... when I got out of the service, they were running competition between the y-22 and the y-23..
y-22 won, and I wanted to be part of that, but it would be a decade before it became active :/

I tried to post the pic, but it was REALLY big in the preview.. so I will post the link instead:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Lockheed_Martin_F-22A_Raptor_JSOH.jpg
70 posted on 08/08/2012 3:51:21 PM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Actually I do, although I may not have articulated it well. I'm perfectly familiar with the purpose of a corner reflector.Could have fooled me, you did write this:

"That's because the "UFO" debris found actually was the remnant of a crashed device called a "corner reflector" that was being used to detect, at long-range, Soviet nuclear blasts"

One thing about FR, some of the damndest experts show up from time to time here........

71 posted on 08/08/2012 6:30:54 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

You win. Bye.


72 posted on 08/08/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Ummm... OOPS! Yes, I sure did... Thanks for the correction. :)


73 posted on 08/09/2012 12:02:45 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Mr. K
Actually, Quix was banned... You could check his profile page to verify. There was a later post on this thread regarding the opus he wrote with a link.
74 posted on 08/09/2012 12:13:57 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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To: Mr. K

I was falling asleep on the KB when I posted.... You have a good point about GL being part of ‘51.. I believe the runways used the lake area since it was so flat... I could be wrong :p


75 posted on 08/09/2012 3:40:26 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Choose, a communist, socialist, or Patriot)
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To: LibertyRocks

You may be right- But I still get private mails on here from Quix- with all the UFO stuff (but I love it)

The last one was a just a coupe of weeks ago- I was not sure if Quix was banned or not, or just asked to stop posting the UFO stuff

Anyone can private message Quix if you want to receive emails about stuff like this


76 posted on 08/09/2012 6:21:29 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: Nifster

Two things I don’t get about your ongoing posts:

(1) That you still imply that I think he is telling the truth about a UFO shot.

(2) That because your knowledge of directed energy systems that you work with (or whatever other future resume enhancements you will now claim), implies that you knew what the United States was experimenting with in the 1940’s.

After all, intertial confinement hasn’t even hit the more out than in point yet. Suppose to this year, but isn’t that the case every year?

Let’s separate fact from the questionable here:

What this guy claims about the weapon used (ie., directed energy weapon of some sort), was quite plausible and even more than likely existed in some form or another in 1947. I have no factual proof, but the equipment and theory was available.

I have given you my reasons for assigning “coocoo” to the guy’s story. Our advanced disruption systems still can’t take out hardened systems (we even harden against air burst nuclear now, if you are in that semiconductor sector). A craft on a flight here from somewhere in the universe would not be even tickled by even our latest directed energy weapons.

Finally, I sincerely doubt your work in Inertial Confinement Fusion gives you information about secret technical projects were in motion during 1947, or what splinter projects even came off of those thereafter.

And that’s the crux of the matter. That weapon could have existed. I just agree it wouldn’t have brought down a UFO. That is where we will disagree until you post the top secret classified documents that say, “we didn’t do this in those years, nor before”. And I surely hope you wouldn’t do that even if you DID have access to such documents.

Ie., this boils down to: you and I both are conjecturing, but you want me to accept your conjecture as gospel fact.

I hope this is clear as premium russian vodka for you.


77 posted on 08/09/2012 8:50:08 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: Aqua225

you have misunderstood much of what I wrote...more’s the shame. Having worked on several projects that carried classification levels I am limited in what I can describe of my knowledge base. I will agree with you that the guy is fruit loops——kind of doesn;t matter why.I agree with you that biuts and parts and theory all existed in the 40s for such a weapon.....But to suggest that that implies such a weapon existed is silly in its logic. Moreover I am deeply offended that you think so little of my honor and integrity as to suggest that I should post documents that are not supposed to be disseminated in the manner you suggest. I took an oath long ago and I will continue to abide by it.


78 posted on 08/09/2012 9:11:57 PM PDT by Nifster
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