Native Americans descended from three Asian groups: study

AFP ^ | 11 July 2012 | AFP

[Theoria]

Native Americans spread out today from Canada to the tip of Chile descended not from one but at least three migrant waves from Siberia between 5,000 and 15,000 years ago, a study said Wednesday.

The finding is controversial among geneticists, archaeologists and linguists -- many of whom have maintained that a single Asian ancestral group populated the Americas.

But the new study, claiming to be the most comprehensive analysis yet of Native American genetics, claims to have found incontrovertible proof that there were three immigration waves -- a theory first put forward in 1986.

Most Native Americans, said the study, descend from a single group known as the "First American" which crossed from Asia via the Beringia land bridge towards the end of the last ice age some 15,000 years ago.

Their modern-day descendants include the Algonquin of Quebec, the Yaghan of Tierra del Fuego and the Kaqchikel Maya of Guatemala.

But two later migrations of people closely related to the Han ethnic Chinese were responsible for creating more groups, according to a paper published in the journal Nature.

"Speakers of Eskimo-Aleut languages from the Arctic inherit almost half their ancestry from a second stream of Asian gene flow, and the Na-Dene-speaking Chipewyan from Canada inherit roughly one-tenth of their ancestry from a third stream," it said.

This indicated interbreeding between later immigrants and the First Americans they encountered.

The second and third waves of migrants may have come to America in boats after the Beringia land bridge disappeared under water at the end of the last ice age, human geneticist Andres Ruiz-Linares of University College London's department of genetics, evolution and environment told AFP.

[Theoria]

migration, etc. Plenty of evidence supports ‘pre’ this timeline as well. Topper, etc.

[Bidimus1]

Poor Nephi... dissed again!

[Tzimisce]

...so Elizabeth Warren is really Chinese?

[mountainlion]

No mention of the Norsemen that came over? No mention of the Cherokee which also had European DNA? This raises more questions than answered. Why no reference to the original data or study?

[PeteB570]

Which means there are no “Native Americans”.

Just and argument over who got here first.

[103198]

I’m a native American. I was born in Cincinnati...

[laweeks]

Yea butt . . . you never heard of the Japanese lost tribe of Israel? Huh? Moroni is really Japanese for . . . uh . . . Planet Kolob Supreme Leader.

[laweeks]

...so Elizabeth Warren is really Chinese?

Yeah, she's a Japchinkoreomalayacherouteapachetonto. JapchinkoreomalayacherouteapachetontA, sorry . . . she's a female, I guess.

[squarebarb]

Very interesting, not to say astounding, that the first group went as far as Tierra Del Fuego and the Yucatan (Mayans) as well as northeast— Algonkians. BTW the Algonquians are not just Quebec but northern Ontario northern Saskatchewan and Maine. there is an Algonkian tribe and an algonkian language group which is much larger than the tribe.

I read elsewhere that the Tierra Del Fuegans are of another DNA group, far more robust. And the Mayans look absolutely nothing like the Algonkians. So this is confusing.

[Strategerist]

Anyone who was here in very small numbers could very easily have had their gene line die out. The Nature study is based purely on DNA testing of several hundred current Native Americans scattered across North and South America; it’s not an archaeological study.

[Thrownatbirth]

Next book: Pow Wow Chow Mein

[Bidimus1]

The Euro/native American DNA was most likely from interbreeding between the two groups well after the “discovery” of the Americas.

The X haplogroup being found in the Americas may be from a dual micration (east and west) by asian dna

“In addition, these same researchers have detailed that the mtDNA haplogroup X haplotype present in the Altaians of Siberia is intermediate between Native Americans clades and that of Europeans. As a Russian research group observed, “American Indian and European haplogroup X mtDNAs ... are distantly related to each other”. They propose however not an early European colonization of America, but that Altaians contributed to migrants bound for Europe and America; “The network further suggests that the Altaian X haplotypes occupy the intermediate position between European and American Indian haplogroup X mtDNA lineages”

In 2008 genetics paper on the subject concluded

“Mitochondrial Population Genomics Supports a Single Pre-Clovis Origin with a Coastal Route for the Peopling of the Americas”

“Here we show, by using 86 complete mitochondrial genomes, that all Native American haplogroups, including haplogroup X, were part of a single founding population, thereby refuting multiple-migration models.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18313026

[Verginius Rufus]

There is physical evidence that the Norse reached North America (buildings at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland, medieval Norwegian coins found at an archaeological site in Maine), but the Norse may have been here in small numbers for a short time and not left any descendants in America. (The Kensington runestone is as bogus as Obama's birth certificate.)

The Powhatan Indians of Virginia spoke an Algonquian language. At least three English words are based on words in their language (perhaps a bit garbled from the original form): tomahawk, moccasin, opossum.

[Theoria]

Of course. Depends on your belief set. Some believe we are all out of Africa, or Asia, or Eden, etc.

[Vision]

Oh, so they’re not native...they’re Asian Americans.

If you’re born here you’re native.

[JohnG45]

Next book: Pow Wow Chow Mein

Brilliant!

[truth_seeker]

“No mention of the Norsemen that came over?”

Which ones, when?

Lief Ericsson and his party came about 1,000 but left a few years later, when they became concerned about the Skraelings.

I am curious about other Nordic explorations/migrations/settlements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_colonization_of_the_Americas

[Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)]

These folks bred like rats to get as far down as the tip of South America and from coast to coast in North America.

And they had short lives too.

[righttackle44]

That's why the term American Indian (with no apologies whatsoever to Russell Peters, because we don't share the title. either) is the better term. It eliminates all of that Native American jazz.


When the Norses (rhymes with horses), the Brits (rhymes with grits), and WHICHEVER Columbus, Middle Easterners and others landed here, they found people. American Indian Indian people have the very same blue Mongoloid spot on our spines that Asian people do. And look at the Ainu of Japan and compare them to the American Indian tribal people of the Northwest--much of the ceremonial accoutrement of the Ainu lookas if they could have been made around Seattle.

No, the only ole boys protesting too much are the white boys who have to keep coming up with grant money to try desperately to establish themselves first on this continent. It is to laugh. (And poor ole Russell Peters . . . )

[allmendream]

One big impediment to the Vikings colonizing America was that, well, they were Vikings!

An account by Snorri Sturllasson has it that one group stayed awhile and built a nice longhall. Later two groups came together and ended up fighting over that longhall - with one group killing the other. Mass murder seemed to sour the entire enterprise and they left and went their separate ways.

[PeteB570]

You do know the noble savage sitting on his horse overlooking his buffalo herds didn’t happen until after the white man brought the horse to the Americas.

Not all Indian Blood Lines arrived at the same time.

So - as I said - it’s just an argument over who got here first.

[SunkenCiv]

The second and third waves of migrants may have come to America in boats after the Beringia land bridge disappeared under water at the end of the last ice age, human geneticist Andres Ruiz-Linares of University College London's department of genetics, evolution and environment told AFP.

No, actually they were just really, really skilled at walking on the seafloor while holding their breath.

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[Theoria]

Hah. Nice little gap between Canada and S. America. Hard to do a 'real' study when you leave out America. Reason, politics.

[sheik yerbouty]

What about Kennewick Man..

[MestaMachine]

What IF they have the entire history of man bass ackwards and all DNA that matches up from them to us started with us?

Lenni Lenape means Original People. What if europeans and asians descended from migration FROM here TO there and not the other way around?

[sheik yerbouty]

I myself am of the Sosumi in NY, thought there are many Wattsituyas and Fugawes..

[sheik yerbouty]

These theories keep changing. Before history was put in writing, there was lots of migration between lands and people.. Many academics fall all over themselves to avoid the possibility that various Caucasian peoples were in the mix..

[Graewoulf]

Good find! Thanks!

I am interested in the times of these 3 migrations.

Do you know of some articles that might supply some time data?

If so, please ping or FRmail me.

Thanks.

[JDoutrider]

marker

[dfwgator]

So they’re not “Native Americans” after all.

[Cronos]

the norsemen didn’t leave any genetic remnants — it was probably a short-lived colony. I’ve never heard of the Cherokee with European DNA — do you have any links that I can refer please?

[Cronos]

the thing is what to call “native Americans” then. They’re not Indians.

[going hot]

Either way, it seems they were doing it 9000 years before there was light, or so it would seem.

[MestaMachine]

Well, there are NO monkeys which are native to North America so ‘science’ figures no ‘people’ could actually have ‘evolved’ here.

[wardaddy]

Any anthropological academics today exists primarily to discredit whites of anything except atrocity

[Cronos]

well, no need to breed like rats. A regular birth rate would account for the spread over thousands of years.

[PeteB570]

Well, there’s Dot Indians and Feather Indians.

:-)

[Cronos]

ping to you...

[mountainlion]

I saw a couple articles here. There is a chance that thee might be some DNA present form ancient European. A direct decnedant would have to be found but the odds of finding anything is quite slim.

[mountainlion]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2548204/posts

I usually don’t have much luck with the search but this in one source. There was more but I did not look for it.

[Bidimus1]

The provenance of the petroglyph is in severe doubt...

http://unusualkentucky.blogspot.com/2009/02/eriline-stone.html

detail from above

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~brockfamily/ChiefRedBird-byKBTankersley.html

Much like other “proofs” of ancient language from the old world this one is either a mismash of unknown characters or a hoax, see

Los lunas stone http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=959#
(see Hibben fraud too)

kinderhook plates http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinderhook_plates

Bat creek stone http://www.preteristarchive.com/Ancient_Revelations/epigraphy/1991_mainfort_bat-creek-stone.html

see http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/ for some fun reading

[mountainlion]

I couldn’t find the Cherokee DNA article.

[mountainlion]

I couldn't find the FR articles on Cherokee DNA.

AT least I didn't send this to myself this time.

[Bidimus1]

The article you are being pointed to is by Donald N. Yates owner of DNA consultants who is a proponent of the highly dubious if not completely fraudulent theory that the Native Americans are descended from Europe . It was a popular belief in the mid 1800’s *see View of the Hebrews by Ethan Smith 1823. It is also propagated by the Mormon church in varying degrees probably due to many statements by founding members to the effect that Hebrews came to the Americas circa 600 B.C.

[mountainlion]

There was a DNA study that had some input on Europe in Cherokee nation.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“Moroni is really Japanese for,,,uh,,,

“I got a girl named Bony Moroni;
she´s as skinny as a stick of macaronie.
Oughta see her rock n roll with her blue jeans on,”