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Today is The Day U.S. Citizens Became Slaves of Their Government
Self | 6/28/2012 | Self

Posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:44 AM PDT by catnipman

Today the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Federal Government can tax citizens because they exist, not because they earn income, but because they exist. There are no limits on the amount we can be taxed to exist.

We are all now officially slaves owned by and for the U.S. Federal Government.


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Today the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Federal Government can tax citizens because they exist, not because they earn income, but because they exist. There are no limits on the amount we can be taxed to exist.

We are all now officially slaves owned by and for the U.S. Federal Government

1 posted on 06/28/2012 7:34:45 AM PDT by catnipman
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To: catnipman

This just in on the News Wires:

“Supreme Court Consumes Bath Salts and in Zombie-Like Attack Eat the Constitution”.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 7:37:09 AM PDT by cyberstoic
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To: catnipman

Anyone who has health care with an employer just lost it today. Your employer will pay the fine and you will be dumped into the health care pool. Your salary will go up little to none, but your taxes will go up big time to pay for all the deadbeats. The hard working poeple just lost big time! I just hope the unions also are subject to be dumped in the pool with the rest of us!


3 posted on 06/28/2012 7:38:39 AM PDT by Plumres
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To: catnipman

Drudge seems to want to make this about Roberts. Roberts should say it like it is: congress passed the law, not me. Be mad at congress, not the court.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:02 AM PDT by Dragthor
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To: catnipman

Yup. Now the government can force any behave. “Buy and eat brocolli or face a tax.”


5 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:16 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: catnipman

I have never been more ashamed of my country. Today my country is dead to me.

Long live Texas!


6 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:40 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Dragthor

Roberts is a GD’d Traitor! Thanks for nothing, W.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:50 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: catnipman

8 posted on 06/28/2012 7:39:56 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: catnipman
Roberts betrayed us.

Kennedy wanted to strike the whole thing down.

Kennedy said the whole thing is unconstitutional which it is.

Bush should have picked Janice Rogers Brown.

We need a 2nd revolution. This is tyranny

9 posted on 06/28/2012 7:40:21 AM PDT by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: catnipman

Roberts turns left...again.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 7:41:24 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: catnipman

John Robert’s poison legacy: Mexican takeover of America, and Socialist dictatorship. IMPEACH this traitorous bastard.


11 posted on 06/28/2012 7:41:25 AM PDT by montag813
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To: dfwgator

John “Earl Warren” Roberts


12 posted on 06/28/2012 7:41:26 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: cyberstoic

Everyone should calm down. Roberts Et all made it a tax! Obama is screwed!!! Also states can opt out without penalty. Roberts is wicked smart. Gave Obama his wish, by attaching a tax to his name.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 7:41:50 AM PDT by Texas4ever
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To: catnipman

This is why elections count. To all the imbeciles who stayed at home and allowed this socialist would be dictator to become president; how do you like the new taxes that are being crammed down your throat?

Nobody knows how hard they are being hammered by this outrage. We have been effectively raped by our own government.


14 posted on 06/28/2012 7:42:20 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: dfwgator

Bush and Rove gave us Zero.
And look what Zero just gave us.

Thanks Waldo.


15 posted on 06/28/2012 7:42:39 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Barney Gumble

"Yup. Now the government can force any behave. “Buy and eat brocolli or face a tax.”

16 posted on 06/28/2012 7:43:29 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Texas4ever

I have no time to read the decisions until tonight, can you expand on your theory?


17 posted on 06/28/2012 7:43:47 AM PDT by cbvanb
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To: catnipman

Eyes dim, the beacon of freedom wanes, and our mettle suffers a stinging lash... Now, gather yourselves troops. Gird your loins and prepare. Tyrants need to lie sleepless in their beds yet again. The spirit of 1776 must be retained at all costs. What is required? Nothing. Sit on your hands. Stop supporting the machine. Stop enabling the federal government with your dollars. If you love freedom, stop paying your masters. Idiots!!!!! They are using the sweat of your brow to buy your chains!

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”
- Samuel Adams


18 posted on 06/28/2012 7:43:54 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can still go to hell.)
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To: Dragthor
Drudge seems to want to make this about Roberts. Roberts should say it like it is: congress passed the law, not me. Be mad at congress, not the court.

No, this is about the court and the constitution. The court is the final defense of the constitution. Today they shredded it beyond all belief.

19 posted on 06/28/2012 7:44:11 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: catnipman

The only problem that Liberals have with the history of chattel slavery in the America is that the slaves were privately owned.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 7:44:48 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Plumres

What will happen to Medicare after it is gutted?


21 posted on 06/28/2012 7:44:55 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: catnipman

When they tax income they take part of the income. When they tax property they either get money or take all or part of the property. If they tax me for existing and I don’t have income or property, do they take part of me? Well good bye kidney or whatever. How many people will not have anything to pay? Guess who will make up the difference. All we have here is Medicare extended to everyone from day one. And once a program like this starts it grows and grows. OTOH, I’m already paying for those who can’t so what’s gonna change?


22 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:06 AM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Texas4ever

If u are so happy about a “tax”. Why don’t YOU write your tax check and mail it in today!!!!!!!


23 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:28 AM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: catnipman

The law was not written or constructed with the mandate as a tax. If the mandate is a tax then the law should have to be rewritten and sent back through the process. Written as a mandate the law is now invalid. Try to get it through as a tax.

If not, then slaves have risen up throughout history. It might be time for civil disobedience and whatever else needed to remove the entire population of politicians from their perches. Enough of this crap. If representatives no longer represent us then let them be removed.


24 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:29 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: catnipman

Next rule should be a tax on people based on their behavior, the behavior being that each person must purchase weapons suitable for defense of their community and sufficient ammunition to sustain them in a prolonged fight.

The tax would be imposed on all who refuse to openly carry those weapons when they are on public property.

Under the court ruling, this is not a use of the commerce clause, but merely a tax by the government, just like the Obamacare mandate.

The powers that be have decreed that all human behavior is subject to the power of the government to direct the food we eat, the clothes we wear, the homes we buy, the products we consume.

The founding fathers would be sick today, that the natural rights of man may be given by God as a condition of being human, but the US Government can take away what God has given us, thus putting themselves above God.

I pray for our nation, but the tip[ping point has now been passed.

Not enough people believe in the founder’s principles.

Political philosophy is no longer an examination of the great ideas of the enlightenment, but a grab for assets earned and created by others, and the methods by which the people can be controlled.

Welcome to all, my name is Thrall.


25 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:33 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: catnipman

That’s right - Government can dictate whatever it wants.

Dictatorship is constitutional... so long as it’s through the tax code.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 7:45:39 AM PDT by quesney
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To: catnipman
"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases."- Thomas Jefferson

27 posted on 06/28/2012 7:47:03 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (WA DC E$tabli$hment; DNC/RNC/Unionists...Brazilian saying: "$@me Old $hit; different flie$". :^)
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To: catnipman

They haven’t said yet whether the States can opt out of this. They are going to collect on this mandate via tax returns. Everyone needs to, like I do, set up their W-4’s so that you either get no refund or have to pay a little. It’s time to stand up and revolt. This cannot stand and don’t count on any help from Congress either.


28 posted on 06/28/2012 7:48:10 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Texas4ever

That is the way I am seeing it. The law as written is void as written with a mandate. Taxes have to be specifically legislated and voted on as taxes; this bill was not legislated as a tax.

My state had better opt out and refuse any participation.


29 posted on 06/28/2012 7:48:47 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Texas4ever
Everyone should calm down. Roberts Et all made it a tax! Obama is screwed!!! Also states can opt out without penalty. Roberts is wicked smart. Gave Obama his wish, by attaching a tax to his name.

Wrong! This was about the Constitution, not politics. An election can change the healthcare law. There is no fixing the damage done to the constitution. You now live in a Federal Dictatorship. Your children are now slaves to the Federal Government.

30 posted on 06/28/2012 7:48:58 AM PDT by CMAC51
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To: Democrat_media
We need a 2nd revolution. This is tyranny

The Declaration of Independence in all its glory needs to be re-exercised.

31 posted on 06/28/2012 7:49:02 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: RichardW
This is why elections count. To all the imbeciles who stayed at home and allowed this socialist would be dictator to become president; how do you like the new taxes that are being crammed down your throat?

They are as culpable as the blithering morons who pulled the lever to elect this dictator.

32 posted on 06/28/2012 7:49:15 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: quesney

The power to tax is the power to destroy.

We have been destroyed.


33 posted on 06/28/2012 7:49:21 AM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Texas4ever

What you say sounds right.

What you say sounds good.

I hope you are right.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 7:50:22 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: catnipman

It’s time to start viewing the federal government with hostility.


35 posted on 06/28/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by x1stcav (There's a bunch of us out here spoiling for a fight.)
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To: Texas4ever
Roberts is wicked smart.

Give it up. The guy is a traitor....it will be forever known as the "Roberts Tax."

36 posted on 06/28/2012 7:51:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: catnipman
Well, any discussion on my belief we are living under communists rule? Wake the hell up!!!!!

Now one word to some AH in this form. You had better quit the Romney kill shi! or your butts will be taxed to death. And all you freebees that pay no income tax will now be taxed heavy. Nitwits.

37 posted on 06/28/2012 7:52:17 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: cbvanb

It is complicated and the media are trying to win the court of opinion before the muddy water clears. The mandate according to Roberts is unconstitutional and constitutional. Hence the first thought of victory for us. What has happened is the court said they HHS cannot take away federal funds for those individual states that do not participate in ACA. What present vs future funds means is unclear. I really don’t think it’s a total win for Obama. First of all he never wanted to define it as a tax. It is now the biggest tax in American history!!! Wait till later this afternoon the dust will settle Obama will play to his dumb base. Hopefully the GOP is wiser and will come out after Obama speaks to clear the air


38 posted on 06/28/2012 7:52:31 AM PDT by Texas4ever
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Slaves to the US Fed. Gov’t? Once the Constitutuion is gone (which it is) and the economic system collapses (on its way and probably can be imploded at will at any time) then global governance is the next step. The US had to be taken down to achieve that goal and many people from both sides of the aisle have done their part.

If the vote needed to be 6-3 to pass this thing, it would have been 6-3. If the vote needed to be 7-2, the vote would have been 7-2. The people running both parties are bought and paid for, do you really think the Supremes don’t get their orders when push really comes to shove? Sold out and souled out. They’re decloaking. Youtube “CNBC global governance” and check it out for yourselves. Wakey, wakey folks.


39 posted on 06/28/2012 7:52:41 AM PDT by Hayride
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I keep saying this over and over again!

I’m now not just of the opinion but totally convinced that Obama and his crew are going to do anything and perhaps everything to generate chaos this summer and fall. If you get enough people angry in a society. And I mean angry about not just one thing but many things it doesn’t take much to set off a riot or perhaps a revolution.

And because of the way Obama and his people think, that sort of Chaos and strife is perfect. It’s perfect to shove through legislation that would never ever be considered in times of peace and calm.

And perhaps, just perhaps, the next election will never occur because of that legislation or the chaos and Martial Law will be declared.

Now I hope I’m wrong but only time and events will tell us what will be. But at this point in time that is what I see developing.


40 posted on 06/28/2012 7:52:45 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Texas4ever
Everyone should calm down. Roberts Et all made it a tax! Obama is screwed!!! Also states can opt out without penalty. Roberts is wicked smart. Gave Obama his wish, by attaching a tax to his name.

exactly on point

41 posted on 06/28/2012 7:53:36 AM PDT by UpInArms (without failure there's no success only slavery)
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To: catnipman

We need to have a United States Citizen “spring” on the steps of the White House on July 4th.


42 posted on 06/28/2012 7:53:45 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: catnipman
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43 posted on 06/28/2012 7:54:46 AM PDT by baddog 219
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Some thoughts on the news of the decision. These are based on news reports as I haven’t read the actual decision yet.

This is a typical act of USSJC cowardice. They always look for the weasel way out of hot issues by trying to construe matters so narrowly as to minimize their required action. Roberts is especially prone to this. Thanks again, GWB.

In construing the mandate as a tax, the Roberts court put themselves in the position of being the Legislature’s editor - in effect, usurping the Legislative authority - yet again. They should have restricted themselves to the plain meaning of what the Legistaltive Branch actually said. [It wouldn’t hurt if they likewise restricted themselves to the plain meaning of the Constitution, as well.]

The unintended consequences of this decision will be disastrous. There is now absolutely no limit to the government’s power to force us to do anything it wishes as long as they deem it a ‘tax’. Limited government is gone.

The Constitution took mortal wounds during the FDR administration. Today it died. Leviathan has won. There is no longer any Constitution that the Founders would recognize.

I consider this as the end of my oath to preserve, protect and defend. The counterparty to that oath has unilaterally abbrogated it.

My wife just laid out our DVD of 1776 which we have watched every 4th of July since the Bicentennial. I told her to put it away; I can’t bear to look at it now.


44 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:02 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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what this does...and what it is supposed to do...is pave the way for a “carbon” tax...which literally will tax you for breathing. If you can’t pay your “breathing tax” you WILL BE “indentured” to someone who can.....

We the People will see this in our lifetime...


45 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:12 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: CMAC51
Exactly right. This is the second judicial perversion of the Constitution via the Commerce Clause. As the Republic builds law after law on precedent, the laws become perverted when the basis of the precedent was wrong! It's the domino effect.
46 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:22 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Dragthor
Roberts has it coming!

His distinction that the individual mandate is "fairly contrued" as a tax rather than an Unconstitutional extension of the Commerce Clause requiring a behavior is no distinction to the person fined or penalized. This kind of "taxing" is just starting.

47 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:26 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: catnipman
We are all now officially slaves owned by and for the U.S. Federal Government

Today is the day that millions more Americans will realize that they have utterly forfeited their precious legacy of liberty bequeathed to them by the founding fathers and preserved for them by every succeeding generation.

This, however, is not new, this is but a re-Borking of America on a grander scale.


48 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Plumres

This is fascism. Welcome to the Fourth Reich.


49 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:45 AM PDT by Shady (The undeniable truth of the Obama Administration...The numbers do not lie.)
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To: tennmountainman

Is this the end of FR?
Is this the end of conservatism and its power in any future elections and influence?
Is this the end of Constitution as written and intended by the framers?
Is this the end?


50 posted on 06/28/2012 7:56:00 AM PDT by yield 2 the right ( Space blank until I come up with a nice Tagline.)
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