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Germans recover Stuka bomber wreck from Baltic Sea
AP-Yahoo! ^ | June 11, 2012 | DAVID RISING

Posted on 06/11/2012 1:43:47 PM PDT by greatdefender

BERLIN (AP) — German military divers are working to hoist the wreck of a Stuka dive bomber from the floor of the Baltic Sea, a rare example of the plane that once wreaked havoc over Europe as part of the Nazis' war machine.

The single-engine monoplane carried sirens that produced a distinctive and terrifying screaming sound as it dove vertically to release its bombs or strafe targets with its machine guns. There are only two complete Stukas still around.

The Stuka wreck, first discovered in the 1990s when a fisherman's nets snagged on it, lies about 10 kilometers (6 miles) off the coast of the German Baltic island of Ruegen, in about 18 meters (60 feet) of water.

The divers have been working over the past week to prepare the bomber to be hoisted to the surface, using fire hoses to carefully free it from the sand. They have already brought up smaller pieces and also hauled up its motor over the weekend.

They are now working to free the main 9-meter (30-foot) fuselage piece and expect to bring it up on Tuesday, depending on the weather, said Capt. Sebastian Bangert, a spokesman from the German Military Historical Museum in Dresden, which is running the recovery operation.

Initial reports are that it is in good condition despite having spent the last seven decades at the bottom of the sea, he said.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: bomber; godsgravesglyphs; nazi; stuka; worldwar2; worldwareleven; worldwarii; wreckage; wwii

1 posted on 06/11/2012 1:43:51 PM PDT by greatdefender
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2012 1:44:43 PM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender
Amazing these planes are still being found..such as the P-40 found in the Sahara recently.

Hope they all get restored.

3 posted on 06/11/2012 1:46:26 PM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: greatdefender

Should have left it there, I’m not sure that the residents of Rotterdam and Warsaw want to see anymore Stukas in their lifetime.


4 posted on 06/11/2012 1:49:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: greatdefender

I wonder if the man that was flying it is still there. A Stuka is extremely rare, but it’s also a mans coffin, and tomb. They should leave it there.


5 posted on 06/11/2012 1:52:48 PM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: greatdefender

6 posted on 06/11/2012 1:53:56 PM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: greatdefender

I always thought the Stuka was a beautiful plane.

I have read that, although an effective dive bomber, it was basically a sitting duck for enemy fighters.


7 posted on 06/11/2012 1:54:12 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: yank in the UK

Actually two men if they are still there.

I remember when I lived in Norfolk, a local school found remains of a British Hospital near Yorktown. Also a burial ground.

They started excavating it then got a letter from the British Embassy asking them to leave the graveyard alone as it contained the remains of British soldiers. I think they agreed to leave it undisturbed.


8 posted on 06/11/2012 1:58:10 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: greatdefender

My father shot one down back in the 40’s. Somewhere in France I think.


9 posted on 06/11/2012 2:04:13 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: yarddog

Hans Ulrich Rudel thought it was the best ground attack aircraft ever, and ran up a record to prove it. However the Germans replaced it with a fighter-bomber version of the FW-190.

In any case, there are are only two surviving intact Ju-87s. I hope it is intact enough to restore it.


10 posted on 06/11/2012 2:07:19 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: yank in the UK
, but it’s also a mans coffin, and tomb

Just like the Arizona in Pearl Harbor, Titanic, Lusitania, Battleship Bismarck, etc..

One thing is interesting is that many US troops called the Sherman tank "Purple Heart Boxes" due to the fact they were weak compare to the Germans 88 Tiger Panzers.

No matter which side they fought for, they fought for the defense of their country; and that is something we cannot take away from them.

11 posted on 06/11/2012 2:17:08 PM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: yarddog

“it was basically a sitting duck for enemy fighters.”

It had fixed landing gear which didn’t make it much of a match for modern fighters.


12 posted on 06/11/2012 2:21:20 PM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: yarddog

13 posted on 06/11/2012 2:22:25 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: greatdefender
No matter which side they fought for, they fought for the defense of their country; and that is something we cannot take away from them.

Speak for yourself.

14 posted on 06/11/2012 2:23:44 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: greatdefender
No matter which side they fought for, they fought for the defense of their country;

How the heck is bombing civilians in Warsaw "defending their country"?

15 posted on 06/11/2012 2:23:45 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

All they were doing is following orders. Even though Bombing Warsaw was wrong,they had only carry out orders- or face harsh punishment.


16 posted on 06/11/2012 2:40:42 PM PDT by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: greatdefender

The Stuka JU-87 dive bomber is without a doubt the most sinister, evil-looking combat aircraft ever made. With it’s gull-wing design and fixed landing-gear looking like talons it so much resembles some nightmarish mechanical bird of prey. It looks like it wants to kill you.


17 posted on 06/11/2012 2:43:18 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: greatdefender
All they were doing is following orders.

So were the guards at Auschwitz.

18 posted on 06/11/2012 2:44:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: central_va

Boy, irony is sure lost on you, ain’t it Reb?


19 posted on 06/11/2012 2:46:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa

If you want to compare Lincoln to Hitler I can go there. Just trying to be nice.


20 posted on 06/11/2012 2:50:57 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: greatdefender
One thing is interesting is that many US troops called the Sherman tank "Purple Heart Boxes" due to the fact they were weak compare to the Germans 88 Tiger Panzers.

The Sherman crews called them "Ronsons" (popular WWII cigarette lighter) because they always lit up the first time (from a hit by the 88s). The Germans called them "Tommy Cookers" for the same reason.

Note a vain attempt to up-armor it by welding extra plates on the side - which the Germans used for aiming points.

21 posted on 06/11/2012 2:54:46 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: greatdefender
Too bad Archaeologist and grave robbers don't see American Indian burial sites in that same light.
22 posted on 06/11/2012 2:56:38 PM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Oatka

There was always an eleventh Sherman to finish off the Tiger. Too bad for Shermans 1-10.


23 posted on 06/11/2012 3:02:02 PM PDT by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: Oatka

Why did we make Shermans if they were so inferior? Because they were easy to produce and operate (for an army of civilians you didn’t need a long training time), as well as they were probably the fastest tank in WW II. When the US Army broke out of the Hedgerows, they could’ve ended the war before Christmas if they had gotten the fuel.


24 posted on 06/11/2012 3:05:49 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: greatdefender

——All they were doing is following orders. Even though Bombing Warsaw was wrong,they had only carry out orders- or face harsh punishment. ——

Same kind of fear upon our troops when they order National Guard and the Regular Army to help TSA-SS skunks kill us if a riot or insurrection is provoked to keep the Communist-Islamist regime in power.


25 posted on 06/11/2012 3:06:28 PM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Oatka
When America started building Shermans(M4)they were building it to match the panzers in existence at the time. The best the Germans had then was the Mark4. The Sherman was a pretty even match with the Mark4 and better than the Mark3. In North Africa the Sherman aquitted itself well, the British loved them, they mounted a 76MM High velocity gun on it and called it the firefly. We kept the short barreled 75, a gun which was the equal of the 75 on the Mark4.

Hitler decided to build two tanks that were better than the Mark4, hence the Panther(arguably the best tank in WWII)and the Tiger deadly but slow and vulnerable to artillery. Once we got to Europe we were out classed but by the end of the War we had the M26, sporting a 90MM gun and better armor and other improvements. Not many of them saw action, we built the M4 Sherman in such numbers that we overcame the Panthers and the Tigers by sheer numbers, it usually took 4 Shermans to knock out either a Panther or a Tiger. Even though we could well afford to lose the Shermans we couldn't afford to lose the tank crews that died with them.

26 posted on 06/11/2012 3:10:59 PM PDT by calex59
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To: dfwgator
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and also, the U.S Army Airforce that fire bombed Dresden and Tokyo ...

the later, I suspect, for the Rape of Nanking and the Bataan Death March ...



"War is Hell ..." ...



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27 posted on 06/11/2012 3:12:32 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: dfwgator
How the heck is bombing civilians in Warsaw "defending their country"?

Perhaps by the same reasoning as bombing civilians Baghdad is "defending our country".

War is hell and never without civilian casualties inflicted by those who are only following orders.

28 posted on 06/11/2012 3:15:00 PM PDT by varon (The Patriots stand watch!)
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To: greatdefender

Not to pick nits...but when they were in vogue, the stupas were offensive...being used to conquer.


29 posted on 06/11/2012 3:17:54 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: dfwgator

I got to meet Robert L. Scott during the 1990’s. This was at a historical society meeting in SE Georgia. Someone asked him what he thought of the Japanese pilots.

He simply said “they were fighting for their country just like I was fighting for mine”.

That is all he said. Probably nothing more needed saying.


30 posted on 06/11/2012 3:26:09 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Had the Stukas not rained fire on civilians, or the Japs stayed in their own sea, our men would not have had to kick their asses. Our guys would have been just as happy sitting at home.


31 posted on 06/11/2012 3:36:30 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: AceMineral
There was always an eleventh Sherman to finish off the Tiger. Too bad for Shermans 1-10.

Something to remember when we go to war with China. They have factories now.

32 posted on 06/11/2012 3:44:05 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode or Evil, that's the choice.)
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To: yarddog; Little Ray

It was essentially the A-10 of WWII. If you had air superiority on the western front it was good, and on the eastern front it was unreal. Rudel was an ace in it in air to air combat, and, IIRC, had a higher number of AtoA kills than most if not all western theater pilots in addition to sinking a battle ship, destroying about 570 tanks confirmed on ground and securing the German withdrawal from Romania by telling them his unit would pay a visit if they molested the retreat...

The Hs 129 started picking up some of the ground attack slack late in the war, but Stuka’s were up on the east front until the end.


33 posted on 06/11/2012 3:52:11 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

I did not know of Rudel’s air-to-air kills. Didn’t he fly the version with the two underwing anti-tank 40mm cannons? I guess they could be used on planes. Did any version of the Stuka have a forward firing machine gun for the pilot?


34 posted on 06/11/2012 4:15:34 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Vermont Lt

indeed ... they sowed the wind ... and reaped a deadly whirl wind ...


35 posted on 06/11/2012 5:37:02 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin will DEFEAT the Obama-Romney Socialist Gay-Marriage Axis of Evil)
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To: central_va

Nice? Why I’m the soul of civility Reb. Tell me, how many Rebels did Lincoln gas?


36 posted on 06/11/2012 7:15:51 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Axenolith

I think the Russian Stormovik was closer to the A-10 in performance.

I remember the first time, Erich Hartmann (352 confirmed kills) tried to shoot down one of them, he was amazed that his bullets just bounced off.

The older pilots told him you had to get close and shoot from underneath them. Otherwise they had so much armor that it was very difficult to shoot one down.


37 posted on 06/11/2012 7:26:10 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: greatdefender

We should never forget the Wilhelm Gustav either. 8000 men,woman and children killed trying to escape Koenigsburg. Not being sympathetic to the nazis its just a travesty that they sunk a refugee ship. The Russians that is. FLAME AWAY.


38 posted on 06/11/2012 8:05:23 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: jmacusa

The A-10 is up there to. With that 30mm gun in the front. Beautiful to some and scary ugly to others.


39 posted on 06/11/2012 8:08:45 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Vermont Lt

Rotterdam 1940....Holland had already surrendered....how was bombing Rotterdam defending Germany?

40 posted on 06/11/2012 8:10:53 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: crazydad

Yeah you’re right, they don’t call it the “Warthog’’ for nothing. Still, the Germans built weapon systems that were nightmarish to look at, like the Stuka and the Tiger tank. And their uniforms. Clearly they were an army that dressed like they meant business. Good thing they lost.


41 posted on 06/11/2012 8:25:10 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Rudel also flew FW-190’s for awhile where he racked up his air-to-air kills.


42 posted on 06/11/2012 8:33:54 PM PDT by Zman516
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To: greatdefender

Those sirens on the Stuka were called the “Trumpets of Jericho”... The later versions of the Stuka that fought the Russians, didn’t have the sirens. They were for psychological warfare only.


43 posted on 06/12/2012 6:57:41 AM PDT by jag.drafting
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To: Zman516
Further poking around seems to reveal that he had something like 11 kills, but the account, IIRC, in the old Bantam book indicated he bagged a Russian ace in the Stuka.
44 posted on 06/12/2012 8:27:00 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith
Rudel did claim to have downed Soviet ace Lev Shestakov while flying his Stuka, but some historians have questioned the validity of the claim since apparently the only source of the story is Rudel's memoirs as told in Stuka Pilot.

Rudel claimed that either his rear gunner got the Russian or the Stuka's prop wash in their tight turns caused the Russian to lose control at their low altitude and spin into the ground.

I tend to believe Rudel, but whatever the case, he was a helluva pilot and warrior.

45 posted on 06/12/2012 1:53:54 PM PDT by Zman516
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To: greatdefender

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks greatdefender. I'm catching up a little. :')

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


46 posted on 06/17/2012 8:41:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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