Posted on 06/06/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by Beave Meister
THIS WILL UPSET YOU, VW is not allowed by the US government to sell high milage cars to US consumers. VW even makes the cars here that get 78 mpg but must ship it over seas. I have added this link that shows a test drive world record with the passat which was 75 mpg US
I am still upset with myself for saying "THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION"t. I understand that it is government regulations that crosses over all party lines. It was just that i had watch Obama talking about better milage cars and that was what upset me to make this video. Please understand I do not place the blame on him alone, this has been going on for decades.
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1993 Honda Civic LX 4-Door Sedan 5-Speed. Got 38 MPG in town and 42 on the highway if I babied it. Did that for over 200,000 miles and 15 years.
Performance? I’ve had it at 112 in 4th gear and still accelerating. Car would fly.
It’s approx 59 mpg, and my VW Jetta TDI doesn’t get that. I get about 42 but with diesel.
My guess is that it’s simply a smaller engine. My little 1 liter Geo Metro used to get 50+ back in about 1992 or so.
The problem is that they install an Imperial units gasoline tank here in the States. Just install one of those metric tanks and problem solved.
Simple jr high math tells us that a US gallon is about 20% less than a UK gallon. So subtract 20% from the UK mileage.
Couple problems with the Sprint. First, the testing standards were different, and it would probably get more like 37/42 today.
Second, you could ball one up in your hands like a sheet of newspaper. Even little cars today have to meet much more strict crash standards, which leads to lower economy numbers.
Just saw one on the road today.
Argumentum Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy.
The alcohol changes the way the computer and sensors interact. Although just 10% of the mix, the programming in the computers is optomized for 100% gasoline, and does not give good performance (gas mileage) with gasahol.
The older carbureted engines are affected the least, the newer, smaller computer controlled engines really take a hit.
I know of several Hondas that are suffering greater than 25% reduction in real world fuel mileage on E10 pump gas. The mileage goes back to normal after running 2 tanks of real gas through them (boat gas, no alcohol). Checked several times and is repeatable.
Have worked on several dozen engines lately with similar results, but non quite as bad as that 2.2 Honda.
True, and many other cars in the 1980s and early 1990s got better mileage than comparable cars today. I had a VW Scirocco in the 1980s that even when driven with performance in mind managed close to 30 MPG. Cruising with attention to mileage it got around 32 MPG. Lightweight design, fuel injected four cylinder engine, etc. generate high mileage and performance.
Liberals telling the truth is a fantasy.
Some of these expert agencies have classified diesel exhaust as to whether it can cause cancer. These classifications are based largely on studies looking at the possible link to lung cancer.
The National Toxicology Program (NTP) is formed from parts of several different US government agencies, including the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The NTP has classified exposure to diesel exhaust particulates as "reasonably anticipated to be a human carcinogen."
The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) is part of the World Health Organization (WHO). Its major goal is to identify causes of cancer. Based on the available data, IARC classifies diesel engine exhaust as "probably carcinogenic to humans."
The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) maintains the Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS), an electronic database that contains information on human health effects from exposure to various substances in the environment. The EPA classifies diesel exhaust as "likely to be carcinogenic to humans."
The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) is part of the CDC that studies exposures in the workplace. NIOSH has determined that diesel exhaust is a "potential occupational carcinogen."
After reading some of their online material, I doubt that the no-diesel-in-passenger-cars rule is protectionist.
Problem is, I’ve seen it done.
Some fellow here in the Seattle area had a newfangled carb dealie. Fitted onto some big-azz old oil tanker like a Chrysler New Yorker or somesuch.
Local TV station hired a technician, put a reporter with a camera in the front seat, next to the dude driving the car.
Something like 105 miles per gallon. Technicians and mechanics verified everything, but he wouldn’t let them examine the carb.
Heard the story about 3 times, then it totally disappeared, never to resurface.
The guy probably owns an Island in the South Pacific now...
The other piece that’s missing from the picture is that most european cars have very low final drive ratios, in the low 2:1 range. US vehicles have mid 3:1 or higher. This affects mileage significantly, at the expense of off-the-line acceleration. The Passat mentioned here would get lower mileage in the US because US customers would never tolerate the sluggish acceleration of the EU-spec car, and would demand a higher final drive ratio.
Yes, the Edmunds link says that there are some diesel passenger cars in the USA as of 2012, more coming in 2013. Most are pretty pricy, I think.
The Passat in the video is not allowed in to the USA, though, nor are most/many of the Euro diesels.
Apparently there is now “acceptable” technology.
The political leanings of the snopes couple is not an Ad Hominem argument. It is valid because it is part of the evidence demonstrating that snopes has a left leaning agenda and that agenda often colors what they publish as “facts”.
Now, if I were to say that either of them is ugly or smells bad or stutters and that makes their info suspect, that would indeed be Ad Hominem.
Noting their demonstrably leftish bent is not a “personal attack”. It is a relevant point.
“The Passat mentioned here would get lower mileage in the US because US customers would never tolerate the sluggish acceleration of the EU-spec car, and would demand a higher final drive ratio.”
In 1978 my company sent me to Northern Ireland for three years. I bought a Ford Escort Ghia, made in Germany. It had a 1600 cc engine. Over there they also sold Escorts with a 1300 cc engine. This was before Ford came out with their ‘World’ car, the Ford Escort that we got to know here in this country. When the ‘World’ car was introduced here it was with a 1600 cc engine only, no 1300 cc engine. Why? Because with the pollution control $hit that had to be on the engine here, the 1300 cc engine would not cut it. In fact, the 1300 cc engine in Great Britain outperformed the 1600 cc engine here.
In the 3 years I was there, ‘78 to ‘81, my 1600 cc Ford Escort Ghia was a screamer. It was fun to drive, and could go faster than I was allowed to drive over there, and even faster than I dared a time or two when I took it out on a stretch of Motorway and opened it up, to about 115 mph, with still plenty of peddle left.
As for mileage, I don’t remember, but it was reasonable. And that was when I was getting used to the sticker shock of petrol prices there. I got pretty good at converting to the equivalent US$/US gallons.
The prices then there, of course, were about half what the Kenyan Usurper is making us pay here today. FUBO.
“Noting their demonstrably leftish bent is not a “personal attack”. It is a relevant point.”
Well said. They are leftist trash and we should always verify Snopes Poop...verify, verify, verify. Snopes Poop is too often leftist dogma without verifiable assertions.
“Apparently there is now “acceptable” technology.”
VW,Audi, BMW and Mercedez sell several models each, using diesel technology which is CLEANER than gas vehicles.
Over 50% of new passenger vehicle sales in Europe are diesels.
The olde Big Three simply don’t try very hard anymore, having written off all but light trucks/SUVs a few years back.
I expect we will see Japanese and Korean diesel vehicles, before we see American ones.
And yes, VW builds Passats in Tennessee, with turbodiesel engines, but not the smaller displacment one in the article.
So why is nobody interested in the subsidized, too big to fail auto companies?
Obama, he don’t want no stinkin diesels, he wants elictricity, regardless if it is economical, etc.
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