Skip to comments.VW Passat 78.5 MPG (Imperial gallon) 65.2 MPG US gallon in the Uk...NOT ALLOWED in the US
Posted on 06/06/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by Beave Meister
THIS WILL UPSET YOU, VW is not allowed by the US government to sell high milage cars to US consumers. VW even makes the cars here that get 78 mpg but must ship it over seas. I have added this link that shows a test drive world record with the passat which was 75 mpg US
I am still upset with myself for saying "THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION"t. I understand that it is government regulations that crosses over all party lines. It was just that i had watch Obama talking about better milage cars and that was what upset me to make this video. Please understand I do not place the blame on him alone, this has been going on for decades.
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1-order a car from here for European delivery and import.
2-simply order car here and pickup at factory
3-order the entire engine and screw it into an MPG-challenged vehicle.
We are a People's Republic1 We don't allow IMPERIAL gallons, that's why.
I would have to think there are a few of these factory workers and executives driving around in them and nobody knows about it.
There is a difference in the gallons in the UK. The UK gallon is 4.546 liters and the US gallon is 3.79 Liters. Since a UK gallon is bigger, please do the math and tell us what’s the REAL MPG in the UK using US gallons because this is misleading.
You do not understand the problem the Federal and several state governments have with “high-mileage” vehicles in significant numbers - the collection of fuel taxes goes WAY down, and there is no simple way for them to substitute that shortfall. Besides, they don’t want people to be having too much fun merely by racking up leisure-driving miles.
You can’t import a vehicle to the US that doesn’t meet NHTSA and EPA.
If the federales find it, it will be impounded and crushed with no compensation to you.
You are not even allowed to try and send it back out of the US.
As for the engine swap, you could likely do it in a state that does not have yearly inspections (Indiana where I live has some counties with no inspections). But with the high level of electronics integration currently used, you’ll need access to a lot of technical data to make it work.
VW actually manufactured a car, from 1998 to 20005, called the Lupo which gets even better mileage.
“The Lupo 3L was a special-edition made with the intent of being the world’s first car in series production consuming as little as 3 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres (78 miles per US gallon or 94 miles per Imperial gallon). To achieve this the 3L was significantly changed from the standard Lupo to include:”
I’ll give you something a little more practical. Subaru is introducing a small crossover this fall called the Crosstrek. The model was already introduced in Europe and Australia with a diesel engine that gets 50 mpg. (American) Only the gas model will be available in the US. Gets 37mpg.
78 mpg imperial= 65 mpg US gallon. Based on Imperial being 1.19 times bigger.
I suspect the issue is that the foreign car is a diesel, and diesel passenger cars were banned here a while back. Maybe I should read the article.
I looked into getting a TDI VW (the American version), but when I worked out the increased maintenance costs vs the fuel savings it was a wash. That was several years ago and fuel prices were much lower then. Would be curious to see a Consumer Reports analysis given current gas prices.
We are still at 4 bucks a gallon here in WA state.
The real reaaon is that it would put GM out of business.
When the USEPA wrote the emission laws for 2010 and beyond, they made a conscious decision to try and keep diesels out of light duty vehicles.
The extremely low limits on Nox added major cost to the diesel engine package AND hurt fuel economy.
The 78.5 MPG is based on imperial gallons.
US gallon is 62 MPG.
Snopes has called this report FALSE anyway.
The Geo Metros I rented in the early 90s got over 50 mpg, and that was driving and treating them like a rental. Nothing comes close today.
The administration doesn’t give a hoot about gas mileage. If they got rid of the alcohol requirement (the gas today has double the alcohol content of beer) fuel mileage would jump from 12 to 25% depending on the vehicle.
My whole life I have seen these stupid high mileage stories and I am 60 YEARS old. I always thought that some day people would smarten up... I was wrong.
You vill buy a Volt!!!!
seems to defy the laws of physics
10% of the fuel has 67% of the energy content and you claim that much degradation?
Typical Snopes: “Second, we found no evidence of U.S. government regulations that would prohibit the sale of automobiles such as the referenced Volkswagen Passat in the United states solely because of their mileage ratings.”
Nope, Diesel passenger cars are banned here for more than that reason alone. BUT most diesel passenger cars are indeed banned here and you cannot buy the diesel Passat with its 62 mpg (using US gallons). Note that Snopes does not claim that the cars are available here, which is the point of the video and emails. Snopes should say TRUE- this car cannot be purchased here.
I found this- Diesel passenger cars are indeed available, and more will be available in 2013, but not with the same technology as the Passat mentioned in the thread.
I had a 2003 VW TDI Jetta. I routinely saw 50+ MPG. I once even saw 60 MPG on a trip from KY to FL. My next car was a 2005 VW TDI Jetta. That one routinely gave me mid-40's in MPG. Now, I see advertisements bragging about upper 30's for MPG on TDI Jettas.
This reduction in MPG brought to you by federal government regulations.
Obama: “If it isn’t electric, it’s crap!”
Snopes claims the story about Uncle Don Carney is an urban legend and my father once told me he heard the whole thing as it happened. Jesus and God might be infallible, Snopes is not.
The Passat story may be false but see post #11 about the VW Lupo which gets 76mpg.
Get a Volkswagen Scirocco TDI - it’s explosive.
“I looked into getting a TDI VW (the American version), but when I worked out the increased maintenance costs vs the fuel savings it was a wash.”
Increased maintenance costs?
My 1996 VW Passat TDI got 40-50 mpg; maintenance schedules were the same as for the gasoline model, EXCEPT that I drove it for 315,000 miles before I sold it to a friend, who loves it and now has >350,000 miles on it.
My 2002 VW Golf TDI now has 165,000 miles and gets 40 mpg as a daily commuter into NYC from the ‘burbs;
My 2011 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen has free maintenance for the first 3 years(same schedule as the gas model); it is not yet broken in (Oonly 8500 miles)and is getting 40+ mpg in suburban driving.
The longevity of diesel engines is well-established. I can’t for the life of me understand your impression that maintenance is more expensive than for gas engines.
Never thought about the CETANE ratings of the diesel fuel back then versus what you buy now?
Snopes puts out a few hundred articles A DAY in support of their messiah.
I don’t trust them for anything.
I always liked this 80s model....
The American Dream isn't to gain success....it's to regulate your competitor out of his.
I know for a fact the 1986 version without AC or power anything, and a stick shift got 60-65MPG on the interstate. I have no idea what it was officially rated for.
save for later
Cars keep getting bigger, heavier, with more power accessories, and the engines keep getting more and more powerful. It drags down the fuel economy.
The Snopes explanation is basically BS also.
You can thank the environazis (especially in CA) for making sure diesel doesn’t get a bigger toehold in the US. It all comes down to supposed evil emissions and particulates and how any amount of either is bad for everyone.
Mercedes sells their version of the BlueMotion here already called BlueTec. I saw two Sprinter vans just today with Blluetec on the back.
Chrysler EXPORTS diesel cars from the US to overseas.
The diesel Jeep Wrangler gets 32mpg. Fat chance we’ll ever get that here.
My friend says his VW TDI gets 55 miles per gallon. He has a 2 hour commute from time to time.
Snopes is run by a husband and wife, David and Barbara Mikkelson of Los Angeles, and they are Obama supporters. Liberals.
1993 Honda Civic LX 4-Door Sedan 5-Speed. Got 38 MPG in town and 42 on the highway if I babied it. Did that for over 200,000 miles and 15 years.
Performance? I’ve had it at 112 in 4th gear and still accelerating. Car would fly.
It’s approx 59 mpg, and my VW Jetta TDI doesn’t get that. I get about 42 but with diesel.
My guess is that it’s simply a smaller engine. My little 1 liter Geo Metro used to get 50+ back in about 1992 or so.
The problem is that they install an Imperial units gasoline tank here in the States. Just install one of those metric tanks and problem solved.
Simple jr high math tells us that a US gallon is about 20% less than a UK gallon. So subtract 20% from the UK mileage.
Couple problems with the Sprint. First, the testing standards were different, and it would probably get more like 37/42 today.
Second, you could ball one up in your hands like a sheet of newspaper. Even little cars today have to meet much more strict crash standards, which leads to lower economy numbers.
Just saw one on the road today.
Argumentum Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy.
The alcohol changes the way the computer and sensors interact. Although just 10% of the mix, the programming in the computers is optomized for 100% gasoline, and does not give good performance (gas mileage) with gasahol.
The older carbureted engines are affected the least, the newer, smaller computer controlled engines really take a hit.
I know of several Hondas that are suffering greater than 25% reduction in real world fuel mileage on E10 pump gas. The mileage goes back to normal after running 2 tanks of real gas through them (boat gas, no alcohol). Checked several times and is repeatable.
Have worked on several dozen engines lately with similar results, but non quite as bad as that 2.2 Honda.
True, and many other cars in the 1980s and early 1990s got better mileage than comparable cars today. I had a VW Scirocco in the 1980s that even when driven with performance in mind managed close to 30 MPG. Cruising with attention to mileage it got around 32 MPG. Lightweight design, fuel injected four cylinder engine, etc. generate high mileage and performance.
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