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VW Passat 78.5 MPG (Imperial gallon) 65.2 MPG US gallon in the Uk...NOT ALLOWED in the US
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Posted on 06/06/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by Beave Meister

THIS WILL UPSET YOU, VW is not allowed by the US government to sell high milage cars to US consumers. VW even makes the cars here that get 78 mpg but must ship it over seas. I have added this link that shows a test drive world record with the passat which was 75 mpg US

I am still upset with myself for saying "THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION"t. I understand that it is government regulations that crosses over all party lines. It was just that i had watch Obama talking about better milage cars and that was what upset me to make this video. Please understand I do not place the blame on him alone, this has been going on for decades.

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Fire them all.....
1 posted on 06/06/2012 6:15:17 PM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uBnlXGvA1Wk


2 posted on 06/06/2012 6:16:50 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


3 posted on 06/06/2012 6:18:13 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Beave Meister
Ford has one too

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm

4 posted on 06/06/2012 6:19:53 PM PDT by grandpa jones (obama delenda est)
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To: Beave Meister
I wonder if I can do the following:

1-order a car from here for European delivery and import.

2-simply order car here and pickup at factory

3-order the entire engine and screw it into an MPG-challenged vehicle.

5 posted on 06/06/2012 6:21:06 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (In the post-Zimmerman world, it may become prudent to carry a drop weapon if you CCW.)
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To: Beave Meister; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows
(Imperial gallon)

We are a People's Republic1 We don't allow IMPERIAL gallons, that's why.

6 posted on 06/06/2012 6:23:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DCBryan1

I would have to think there are a few of these factory workers and executives driving around in them and nobody knows about it.


7 posted on 06/06/2012 6:24:20 PM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister

There is a difference in the gallons in the UK. The UK gallon is 4.546 liters and the US gallon is 3.79 Liters. Since a UK gallon is bigger, please do the math and tell us what’s the REAL MPG in the UK using US gallons because this is misleading.


8 posted on 06/06/2012 6:25:24 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: DCBryan1

You do not understand the problem the Federal and several state governments have with “high-mileage” vehicles in significant numbers - the collection of fuel taxes goes WAY down, and there is no simple way for them to substitute that shortfall. Besides, they don’t want people to be having too much fun merely by racking up leisure-driving miles.


9 posted on 06/06/2012 6:26:04 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: DCBryan1

You can’t import a vehicle to the US that doesn’t meet NHTSA and EPA.
If the federales find it, it will be impounded and crushed with no compensation to you.
You are not even allowed to try and send it back out of the US.

As for the engine swap, you could likely do it in a state that does not have yearly inspections (Indiana where I live has some counties with no inspections). But with the high level of electronics integration currently used, you’ll need access to a lot of technical data to make it work.


10 posted on 06/06/2012 6:28:11 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Beave Meister

VW actually manufactured a car, from 1998 to 20005, called the Lupo which gets even better mileage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Lupo

“The Lupo 3L was a special-edition made with the intent of being the world’s first car in series production consuming as little as 3 litres of fuel per 100 kilometres (78 miles per US gallon or 94 miles per Imperial gallon). To achieve this the 3L was significantly changed from the standard Lupo to include:”


11 posted on 06/06/2012 6:29:08 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Auntie Mame

I’ll give you something a little more practical. Subaru is introducing a small crossover this fall called the Crosstrek. The model was already introduced in Europe and Australia with a diesel engine that gets 50 mpg. (American) Only the gas model will be available in the US. Gets 37mpg.


12 posted on 06/06/2012 6:30:22 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: Auntie Mame

78 mpg imperial= 65 mpg US gallon. Based on Imperial being 1.19 times bigger.

I suspect the issue is that the foreign car is a diesel, and diesel passenger cars were banned here a while back. Maybe I should read the article.


13 posted on 06/06/2012 6:30:22 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: All

I looked into getting a TDI VW (the American version), but when I worked out the increased maintenance costs vs the fuel savings it was a wash. That was several years ago and fuel prices were much lower then. Would be curious to see a Consumer Reports analysis given current gas prices.

We are still at 4 bucks a gallon here in WA state.


14 posted on 06/06/2012 6:31:17 PM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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To: Beave Meister

The real reaaon is that it would put GM out of business.


15 posted on 06/06/2012 6:31:42 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: Beave Meister

When the USEPA wrote the emission laws for 2010 and beyond, they made a conscious decision to try and keep diesels out of light duty vehicles.

The extremely low limits on Nox added major cost to the diesel engine package AND hurt fuel economy.

http://www.factsaboutscr.com/environment/epa2010.aspx


16 posted on 06/06/2012 6:32:23 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Beave Meister

The 78.5 MPG is based on imperial gallons.

US gallon is 62 MPG.

Snopes has called this report FALSE anyway.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/passat.asp


17 posted on 06/06/2012 6:32:23 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: Beave Meister

The Geo Metros I rented in the early 90s got over 50 mpg, and that was driving and treating them like a rental. Nothing comes close today.

The administration doesn’t give a hoot about gas mileage. If they got rid of the alcohol requirement (the gas today has double the alcohol content of beer) fuel mileage would jump from 12 to 25% depending on the vehicle.


18 posted on 06/06/2012 6:33:57 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Beave Meister

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/passat.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/passat.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/passat.asp

Phony story

Phony story

Phony story

My whole life I have seen these stupid high mileage stories and I am 60 YEARS old. I always thought that some day people would smarten up... I was wrong.


19 posted on 06/06/2012 6:35:24 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: dewawi

You vill buy a Volt!!!!


20 posted on 06/06/2012 6:39:42 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: wrench
fuel mileage would jump from 12 to 25% depending on the vehicle..

seems to defy the laws of physics

10% of the fuel has 67% of the energy content and you claim that much degradation?

21 posted on 06/06/2012 6:40:49 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: wrench; Beave Meister
1984 Chevy Sprint


22 posted on 06/06/2012 6:45:41 PM PDT by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: dewawi

Typical Snopes: “Second, we found no evidence of U.S. government regulations that would prohibit the sale of automobiles such as the referenced Volkswagen Passat in the United states solely because of their mileage ratings.”

Nope, Diesel passenger cars are banned here for more than that reason alone. BUT most diesel passenger cars are indeed banned here and you cannot buy the diesel Passat with its 62 mpg (using US gallons). Note that Snopes does not claim that the cars are available here, which is the point of the video and emails. Snopes should say TRUE- this car cannot be purchased here.

I found this- Diesel passenger cars are indeed available, and more will be available in 2013, but not with the same technology as the Passat mentioned in the thread.

http://www.edmunds.com/diesel/before-buy.html


23 posted on 06/06/2012 6:46:56 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: dewawi
My own personal story...

I had a 2003 VW TDI Jetta. I routinely saw 50+ MPG. I once even saw 60 MPG on a trip from KY to FL. My next car was a 2005 VW TDI Jetta. That one routinely gave me mid-40's in MPG. Now, I see advertisements bragging about upper 30's for MPG on TDI Jettas.

This reduction in MPG brought to you by federal government regulations.

24 posted on 06/06/2012 6:47:16 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Beave Meister

Obama: “If it isn’t electric, it’s crap!”


25 posted on 06/06/2012 6:47:51 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: dewawi

Snopes claims the story about Uncle Don Carney is an urban legend and my father once told me he heard the whole thing as it happened. Jesus and God might be infallible, Snopes is not.


26 posted on 06/06/2012 6:49:26 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: dewawi

The Passat story may be false but see post #11 about the VW Lupo which gets 76mpg.


27 posted on 06/06/2012 6:49:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: BBell

Get a Volkswagen Scirocco TDI - it’s explosive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS1q75CgXLA


28 posted on 06/06/2012 6:53:01 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: volunbeer

“I looked into getting a TDI VW (the American version), but when I worked out the increased maintenance costs vs the fuel savings it was a wash.”

Increased maintenance costs?

My 1996 VW Passat TDI got 40-50 mpg; maintenance schedules were the same as for the gasoline model, EXCEPT that I drove it for 315,000 miles before I sold it to a friend, who loves it and now has >350,000 miles on it.

My 2002 VW Golf TDI now has 165,000 miles and gets 40 mpg as a daily commuter into NYC from the ‘burbs;

My 2011 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen has free maintenance for the first 3 years(same schedule as the gas model); it is not yet broken in (Oonly 8500 miles)and is getting 40+ mpg in suburban driving.

The longevity of diesel engines is well-established. I can’t for the life of me understand your impression that maintenance is more expensive than for gas engines.


29 posted on 06/06/2012 6:53:47 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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To: pgyanke

Never thought about the CETANE ratings of the diesel fuel back then versus what you buy now?


30 posted on 06/06/2012 6:59:29 PM PDT by dewawi
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To: varmintman

Snopes puts out a few hundred articles A DAY in support of their messiah.

I don’t trust them for anything.


31 posted on 06/06/2012 6:59:32 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: BBell

I always liked this 80s model....

http://imcdb.org/vehicle_3895-Volkswagen-Rabbit-Convertible-Typ-17-1980.html


32 posted on 06/06/2012 7:00:53 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: VA Voter
The real reaaon is that it would put GM out of business

The American Dream isn't to gain success....it's to regulate your competitor out of his.

33 posted on 06/06/2012 7:02:03 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: BBell

I know for a fact the 1986 version without AC or power anything, and a stick shift got 60-65MPG on the interstate. I have no idea what it was officially rated for.


34 posted on 06/06/2012 7:02:59 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Beave Meister

save for later


35 posted on 06/06/2012 7:03:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: pgyanke

Cars keep getting bigger, heavier, with more power accessories, and the engines keep getting more and more powerful. It drags down the fuel economy.


36 posted on 06/06/2012 7:05:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: dewawi

The Snopes explanation is basically BS also.

You can thank the environazis (especially in CA) for making sure diesel doesn’t get a bigger toehold in the US. It all comes down to supposed evil emissions and particulates and how any amount of either is bad for everyone.

Mercedes sells their version of the BlueMotion here already called BlueTec. I saw two Sprinter vans just today with Blluetec on the back.

Chrysler EXPORTS diesel cars from the US to overseas.

The diesel Jeep Wrangler gets 32mpg. Fat chance we’ll ever get that here.


37 posted on 06/06/2012 7:12:36 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Revolting cat!
UK safety standards are somewhat more lenient than those in the USA.
38 posted on 06/06/2012 7:13:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: volunbeer

My friend says his VW TDI gets 55 miles per gallon. He has a 2 hour commute from time to time.


39 posted on 06/06/2012 7:15:43 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: dewawi; Beave Meister

Snopes is run by a husband and wife, David and Barbara Mikkelson of Los Angeles, and they are Obama supporters. Liberals.


40 posted on 06/06/2012 7:18:36 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: pgyanke

1993 Honda Civic LX 4-Door Sedan 5-Speed. Got 38 MPG in town and 42 on the highway if I babied it. Did that for over 200,000 miles and 15 years.

Performance? I’ve had it at 112 in 4th gear and still accelerating. Car would fly.


41 posted on 06/06/2012 7:18:48 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Auntie Mame

It’s approx 59 mpg, and my VW Jetta TDI doesn’t get that. I get about 42 but with diesel.

My guess is that it’s simply a smaller engine. My little 1 liter Geo Metro used to get 50+ back in about 1992 or so.


42 posted on 06/06/2012 7:19:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Auntie Mame

The problem is that they install an Imperial units gasoline tank here in the States. Just install one of those metric tanks and problem solved.


43 posted on 06/06/2012 7:25:27 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Auntie Mame

Simple jr high math tells us that a US gallon is about 20% less than a UK gallon. So subtract 20% from the UK mileage.


44 posted on 06/06/2012 7:36:17 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: BBell

Couple problems with the Sprint. First, the testing standards were different, and it would probably get more like 37/42 today.

Second, you could ball one up in your hands like a sheet of newspaper. Even little cars today have to meet much more strict crash standards, which leads to lower economy numbers.


45 posted on 06/06/2012 7:40:13 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Beave Meister

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/passat.asp


46 posted on 06/06/2012 7:41:29 PM PDT by CaDan
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To: DBrow
What about Mercedes Benz Blue Tec?

Just saw one on the road today.

47 posted on 06/06/2012 7:42:46 PM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Argumentum Ad Hominem is a logical fallacy.


48 posted on 06/06/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by CaDan
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To: nascarnation

The alcohol changes the way the computer and sensors interact. Although just 10% of the mix, the programming in the computers is optomized for 100% gasoline, and does not give good performance (gas mileage) with gasahol.

The older carbureted engines are affected the least, the newer, smaller computer controlled engines really take a hit.

I know of several Hondas that are suffering greater than 25% reduction in real world fuel mileage on E10 pump gas. The mileage goes back to normal after running 2 tanks of real gas through them (boat gas, no alcohol). Checked several times and is repeatable.

Have worked on several dozen engines lately with similar results, but non quite as bad as that 2.2 Honda.


49 posted on 06/06/2012 7:50:42 PM PDT by wrench
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To: wrench
The Geo Metros I rented in the early 90s got over 50 mpg, and that was driving and treating them like a rental. Nothing comes close today.

True, and many other cars in the 1980s and early 1990s got better mileage than comparable cars today. I had a VW Scirocco in the 1980s that even when driven with performance in mind managed close to 30 MPG. Cruising with attention to mileage it got around 32 MPG. Lightweight design, fuel injected four cylinder engine, etc. generate high mileage and performance.

50 posted on 06/06/2012 7:51:36 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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