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Is it better never to have been born?
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5-9-12 | Michael Cook

Posted on 05/09/2012 1:00:12 PM PDT by ReformationFan

May 9, 2012 (MercatorNet.com) - In 2006 a Sydney couple sued doctors for the “wrongful life” of their severely disabled son. The case failed in the High Court, which ruled that it was impossible to measure the merits of existence versus non-existence. Earlier this year the couple returned, this time with a lawsuit based on “wrongful birth”. Similar cases have cropped up around in the United States and Europe as well. But they have almost always failed for similar reasons – being alive is better than not being alive.

But is it?

Not every everyone thinks so. David Benatar, a South African philosopher with a utilitarian bent, published a book in 2006 entitled “Better Never to Have Been”. His argument was that “although we may not be able to say of the never-existent that never existing is good for them, we can say of the existent that existence is bad for them.”

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; genocide; moralabsolutes; prolife

1 posted on 05/09/2012 1:00:19 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Why not let them speak for themselves, in their old age when they have a perspective from which to formulate an educated answer?


2 posted on 05/09/2012 1:04:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ReformationFan
Well, at least for one man, it would have been better not to have been born:

"The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

Mark 14:21 (NIV)

3 posted on 05/09/2012 1:08:37 PM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Strange isn’t it? How one man’s life effects so many others.” - Clarence Oddbody ASC


4 posted on 05/09/2012 1:08:47 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ReformationFan
“I have not found adequate reasons to show that the extinction of the human species—provided it is voluntary—would inevitably be a bad thing,” she writes. “We matter to ourselves, of course, but it is in no way evident that humanity matters to anyone else. If we were to disappear, members of other species would soon forget us and get along without us.”

Unbelievable. I wonder if she would apply the same reasoning to, say, the spotted owl. Or the snail darter. Or the Polar Bears. Hell, you could even employ the same argument about About life on earth in general.

5 posted on 05/09/2012 1:12:35 PM PDT by Maceman
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To: ReformationFan

God meant for life to happen, only men try to concoct reasons why God is wrong.

Life is better then no life, regardless of the quality of that life.

Who are we to claim we know what the future has in store for those who suffer debilitating diseases or less than what we consider quality life.

What if a child stopped from living could be the one to come up with a cure for cancer?

It is always the right thing to let God be the one who opens and closes the womb, and allow life to happen.


6 posted on 05/09/2012 1:13:49 PM PDT by OneVike ((Just a Christian waiting to go home) internet ID:: impeachobamanow)
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To: Maceman
"I wonder if she would apply the same reasoning to, say, the spotted owl. Or the snail darter. Or the Polar Bears."

I've always found that one of the most profound (among many) secularist/liberal paradoxes. The same people who espouse a darwinian weltanschauung, will pull out all the stops to preserve a species that is approaching extinction because of what they themselves would describe as an inability to "adapt." Yet, they are eager to exterminate those humans who they deem "unfit," in spite of the efforts of others to protect and care for them.

7 posted on 05/09/2012 1:20:25 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: kosciusko51

Yes, factoring in the infinity of the afterlife; it is likely that many would have been better off to not have been born. However, to be thus tested, you have to first be born.

It’s more than likely that those, who are filing those lawsuits, have no belief in an afterlife. Ironically, they may yet discover that it is they, who would have been better off to not have been born.


8 posted on 05/09/2012 1:26:18 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ReformationFan
"we can say of the existent that existence is bad for them.”

What a ridiculous, arrogant statement. To say existence is "bad" for anyone would need infinite wisdom, which this clown certainly does not have.

9 posted on 05/09/2012 1:26:43 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ReformationFan

Caring for the weak, the sick, the elderly, children, etc., is the very essence of civilization.

Take that away, and what do you have left? A group of people justifying savagery on the grounds that their ability to get away with it, justifies it. Nothing less than the law of the jungle, where sociopaths and mass murderers are given authority because their depravities are declared their successes.


10 posted on 05/09/2012 1:47:49 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: ReformationFan

They didn’t dig deep enough. Good or bad, better or not better, worthy or not worthy, according to what (and whose) standard? Taking a position on one or the other without agreeing on a standard doesn’t go far.


11 posted on 05/09/2012 2:02:12 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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