Skip to comments.Has CO2 warmed the planet at all in the last 50 years? Itís harder to tell than you think.
Posted on 05/07/2012 12:43:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Even most skeptics agree that the world has been warming during the last 50 years, but there is apparently no significant underlying warming trend in 46 out of 47 years of data. Something decidedly unusual happened to the world in 1977 and we dont know for sure what it was. The world got warmer, and the change stuck. But there were no extra emissions of CO2 in that year, so there is no reason to pin this to CO2.
Its difficult to believe we are not sure but the last 50 years of warming trend depends on that single stepwise leap in 1977. Look at the graph below. Does it show one strong underlying warming trend, or is it really a trend so insignificant that it wouldnt exist if there was not a step change that artificially bolstered it?
This step effect was first noted by David Stockwell in 2009
The continuous warming appears to be obvious in the records of the lower atmosphere when we draw a linear trend line.
But look again at the data, allowing for the step-change in 1977.
The problem with step changes is that two flat lines with a rising step change will artificially produce a rising linear trend that is meaningless. McKitrick and Voselgang[i] account for the step change and show that significant warming trends in the low to mid troposphere only occur from 1958-2005 if we include the step-change. If the step change is removed, the underlying trend is not significant. In other words, 46 out of the 47 years of atmospheric data do not produce a meaningful rising trend.
If CO2 is having an impact on our atmosphere it is impossible to say with any certainty what that effect has been.
No, The sun warms the planet.
oh no! not solar warming!
and changes in the Sun cause climate change. And there is not a damn thing humans can do to stop it.
Check this out:
oh no! not solar warming!
Unfortunately, no, not solar warming. Solar warming is not a bad thing if you live in Europe or northern Aasia or even Canada. But there is no Global Warming. Forget all that you have ever heard on the subject from the media, it is a lie.
The fact of the matter is that climate changes. It changes in cycles. Man is not big enough to change the climate of the earth, not yet anyway.
The fact is that we are not warming. We certainly have not warmed in the last 15 years and it appears instead that we are cooling. People take vacations to warm places, only skiers go to cold places. Soon the cold places will be coming to the skiers. A Mini-Ice Age or even a full fledged Ice Age can happen in as little as 20 years, some astrophysicists claim that it happens even faster than that.
I don’t like ice in my front yard. It looks like all of us better get used to it real soon. We may well be headed for a Dalton or even a Maunder type mini-ice age. I wish it weren’t so but it seems it is.
I know real estate is not selling well right now but if I lived above the Mason Dixon line I think I would seriously find a reason to move south.
I know it sounds silly, just as silly as Al Gore and global warming but I would suggest that if you really want to know a little about it and be scared half out of your wits, go to “http://www.landscheidt.info/?q=node/189" and start reading. The facts will scare you.
But clever politicians have figured aout a way to enhance themselves by selling the concept of Man Made Global Warming.
When you've got several tons of swamp plant-munching lizard letting 'er rip
the effects can be long lasting!
First of all, the sun warms the planet.
Second, a small moderation of these effects is from greenhouse gases, the most import of which is water vapor. Since 70% of the earth’s surface is water, water is the dominating green house gas, unlike the crap that liberal morons would feed you.
thank you for the reasoned reply. my comment was intended to be sarcastic.
The 1930s were really hot on the high plains! look at these temps for Tulsa, OK at that time before air conditioning!
I remember the enviro-whackos claiming that freon was the culprit.
When industry stopped using freon the enviro-whackos suddenly said, “Oops! We were wrong. It wasn’t the freon, it is the CO2!”
Not many people on the left can see this obvious lie.
Well, regardless if it is or is not, one thing is certain—huge taxes and regulations are needed, just in case.
CO2 is the industrial gas. Who hates industry. Who hates growth. Who hates america. Whose pushing the AGW/IPCC CO2 scam. SOCIALIST ANTI-AMERICAN DEMOCRATS. There is not enough CO2 in the earth’s atmosphere to cause any meaningful warming and there will not be in the future. CO2 regulates itself naturally. That is something the socialist left does not want to hear. This CO2 scam follows a series of other scams propagated by the socialist democrats, OZONE HOLE, ACID RAIN. Their next scam will be water and water pollution caused by evil man.
“Even most skeptics agree that the world has been warming during the last 50 years”
No, they do not. This is just another attempt to incrementally lie and claim “everyone knows it”. No, everyone does not know it. In fact, many believe the world is actually cooling.
This is also an incremental attempt to say there is no evidence and that warming is “difficult” to prove. No, it is EASY to prove or disprove. The DMSP spacecraft fleet has been measuring the Earth’s atmosphere for decades. No warming found.
Huh? Who dat?
The world warms after a glacial until a local max occurs. At that point the world cools until we enter the next glacial and a local min occurs. Rinse and repeat until Gaia draws her last watt.
Google it. It’s mostly declassified.
DMSP = Satellites
Thanks much. I sorta figured it was something like that.
az_gila already posted that they're satellites. Thanks.
The warming from CO2 is steady and gradual, but the storage of the extra heat in the ocean (and loss of heat to the deep ocean) is nonlinear. So we would expect jumps up. The best known jump came with the 1998 El Nino. The 2010 El Nino had no jump (ocean ran out of extra warmth? Negative PDO? can't say for sure).
But the jumps are not "proof" that CO2 has no warming effect or increasing CO2 does not increase warmth
The CO2 in the atmosphere causes the atmosphere to be warmer than it would be without it. The CO2 fluctuates naturally each year, but the year over year rise is from the inability of the ocean to absorb the extra man made CO2. If we stopped creating it, CO2 would turn and drop and be 1/2 way back to preindustrial in about 40 years.
The socialist left conflates catastrophic AGW with benign AGW. The catastrophe is only supported by models and will only occur in a century or two if at all (the melting of Greenland). The left knew this all along so they invented the new catastrophe of weird weather. They of course point to Katrina even though that was a man-made disaster and we have had only one landfalling hurricane since (which had no landfalling hurricane winds). They talk about strong tornadoes out of ignorance (they require cold dry air along with warm moist air and are in a long term decline).
If you want to fight the socialist left then simply point out that their solutions won't work (solar and wind are too diffuse). Point out that the increases in rainfall (if they make that claim) are increases in the water cycle and cause global cooling. There are huge holes in the theory of catastrophic warming without resorting to throwing away well-established greenhouse physics.
When the SUN loses it’s fuel and it expands beyond the orbit of the Earth, what will ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/environmental wackos.. have to complain about then?
(Think I answered my own question-never mind.)
Much as I hate to admit it global warming is man made - the effect is better known as the Clean Air Act. This legislation mandated that particulate emissions be reduced. It it widely accepted that particulates emitted during volcanic eruptions were the cause of global cooling episodes. Therefore we can blame Congress and President Nixon for the warming that stared in the late 70’s.
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. That fear was about the Ozone layer, for which they banned certain chlorofluorocarbons (Freon).
“I’m sorry, but you are mistaken.”
My point was not trying to make the direct connection. My point was that these whackos, when confronted with reality, will always find something else to further their cause. :-)
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