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What Killed Lenin? Poison Called Possibility
Washington Times ^ | Sunday, May 6, 2012 | Alex Dominguez

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:59:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Stress, family medical history or possibly even poison led to the death of Vladimir Lenin, contradicting a popular theory that a sexually transmitted disease debilitated the Soviet Union’s founder, a UCLA neurologist said.

Dr. Harry Vinters and Russian historian Lev Lurie reviewed Lenin’s records Friday for an annual University of Maryland School of Medicine conference that examines the deaths of famous figures.

The conference is held yearly at the school, where researchers in the past have re-examined the diagnoses of figures including King Tut, Christopher Columbus, Simon Bolivar and Abraham Lincoln.

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1 posted on 05/06/2012 8:59:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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What Killed Lenin? Stalin Called Probability
2 posted on 05/06/2012 9:04:47 PM PDT by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: nickcarraway

Communism killed Lenin just as surely as Zero plans to kill the American Republic.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 9:05:26 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
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To: nickcarraway

Whoever it was and whatever it was, give them a fricking medal, NOW.

Calling Mr. Putin, calling Mr. Putin, your glowing Vodka Martini is ready.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 9:05:42 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: BigEdLB

Allegedly Beria had poisoned Stalin, since he learned Stalin was about to purge the entire Politburo.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 9:09:04 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

What if Lenin had lived, and blocked Stalin’s path to power?


6 posted on 05/06/2012 9:12:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

Not much difference, really. He was just as ruthless as Stalin, just in a slightly different way.


7 posted on 05/06/2012 9:15:20 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: nickcarraway

” - - - possibly even poison led to the death of Vladimir Lenin - - - “

Maybe it was arsenic? It seems to be a Commie poison of choice - - - .


8 posted on 05/06/2012 9:17:46 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: nickcarraway

I read someplace that Stalin had three doors to his quarters. His cooks left his meals outside each door. Stalin would take one meal at random for himself, and the cooks had to eat the other two.


9 posted on 05/06/2012 9:24:39 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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The accounts of Stalin’s stroke and his last few hours alive are telling. They let him lie on the floor and smirked as he wet his pants. He could only stare up at them.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 10:41:38 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dfwgator

Lenin was smarter than Stalin. Stalin was more brutal than Lenin, if that was possible. However, I think that Russia would have been different by some degree if Lenin has kept Stalin from power. The same for the way the Soviet Bloc would have been formed.

Also, Lenin would have to deal with Trotskyite. Stalin did, by killing him.

All theoretical constructs. Was is, is.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 11:28:48 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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Lenin was smarter than Stalin. Stalin was more brutal than Lenin, if that was possible. However, I think that Russia would have been different by some degree if Lenin has kept Stalin from power. The same for the way the Soviet Bloc would have been formed.

Also, Lenin would have to deal with Trotskyite. Stalin did, by killing him.

All theoretical constructs. What is, is.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 11:29:18 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

This conjecture provides yet another avenue of rationalization for the socialist left: ‘If Lenin hadn’t been poisoned by Bush - er I mean Stalin - communism would have worked and the world would be a workers paradise’. Or something like that.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 1:36:09 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: nickcarraway
researchers in the past have re-examined the diagnoses of figures including ... Abraham Lincoln.

Shot in the head would not seem to be a controversial diagnosis.

14 posted on 05/07/2012 1:39:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Overdosing on the treatment for syphilis?


15 posted on 05/07/2012 1:49:50 AM PDT by monocle
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To: Sherman Logan
Shot in the head would not seem to be a controversial diagnosis.

His treatment was controversial. The doctors removed the bullet and probed the wound with unwashed hands. It is not certain he would have lived much longer if left less attended, but the doctors, on balance, probably did more hard (unintentionally) than good. Some speculate he might have recovered.

16 posted on 05/07/2012 3:34:25 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Rush: If Ward Churchill had a daughter, she’d look like Elizabeth Warren.)
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To: nickcarraway

One of the more intriguing cases is Tycho. Tycho’s death benefited Kepler enormously. Not only did Kepler get Tycho’s job as the Holy Roman Emperor’s astronomer (a pretty lucrative gig) but he usurped (Kepler’s words) his twenty odd years of observations. Tycho had the first set of reliable, accurate, reasonably long term set of planetary observations in history. Their collection had been a major undertaking, comparable in terms of cost to Renaissance Denmark to the cost of the Apollo Program to 1960’s America. By luck they fell into the hands of one of the few people in the world with the skill and patience to exploit them. Kepler overturned both Copernicus and Ptolemy, and can be said to the first real advance in astronomy since Ptolemy. (Ptolemy was a scientific giant, by the way.)

Tycho was reported to have died of burst bladder after refusing to excuse himself to relieve himself at a royal banquet. But in fact, the human bladder is extraordinarily tough and one would urinate involuntarily long before one could burst it. Some suspect he was poisoned and Kepler alone stood to gain.


17 posted on 05/07/2012 3:47:10 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Rush: If Ward Churchill had a daughter, she’d look like Elizabeth Warren.)
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It’s not exactly controversial. The bullet entered the rear of his skull, transited the brain and ended up behind his eye. I’ve read a number of books about the assassination and none seriously contended there was any chance of his survival.

In particular, there was no way unwashed hands contributed to his death, since there was not sufficient time for this to have caused infection.

Here’s an article by a trauma physician who believes he would have died even with modern trauma center or battlefield emergency care.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/education/medical.htm

I wonder if you’re confusing his case with that of Garfield, who would almost certainly have survived with proper treatment.


18 posted on 05/07/2012 4:31:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Also, the bullet was not removed till the autopsy.


19 posted on 05/07/2012 4:40:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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What Killed Lenin? Poison Called Possibility

Well, we can't blame Castro...or can we?

20 posted on 05/07/2012 5:43:55 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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