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Marine Discharged Over Facebook Anti-Obama Rants
NBC Miami ^ | Thursday, Apr 26, 2012 | Barbara E. Hernandez

Posted on 04/26/2012 7:46:40 PM PDT by nickcarraway

A Marine sergeant was discharged from the military Wednesday for repeated Facebook posts about President Obama.

Marine Sgt. Gary Stein, 27, a meteorologist at Camp Pendleton near San Diego, posted anti-Obama comments and photos on his Facebook page, the "Armed Forces Tea Party." Stein's posts ranged from "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him," to calling the president "an economic and religious enemy."

The American Civil Liberties Union and other groups told reporters they will fight the decision they say violates Stein's first-amendment rights, but military prosecutors said that Stein's comments violated a Pentagon policy that limits political speech while a service member is in uniform, according to Reuters. Stein also was repeatedly warned by superior officers about his Facebook postings.

Still, lawyers from the ACLU and the conservative U.S. Justice Foundation said Thursday that they will continue to fight the discharge.

"I don't believe Sgt. Stein did anything other than engage in political speech," the ACLU's David Loy told the Los Angeles Times. "Since the days of Valley Forge, I seriously doubt that there haven't been members of the armed forces who haven't complained about their government."

Stein, a nine-year veteran who served in Iraq, will be stripped of his stripes and demoted to lance corporal. His discharge will make him ineligible for most federal veterans benefits. The decision to discharge Stein was unanimous by the administration separation board who found that Stein's comments about Obama were "detrimental to good order and discipline and violated military law."

What we find interesting is that at first, Stein seemed to be filled with self-righteous indignation about facing a discharge, including calling his "Armed Forces Tea Party" a place for casual Marine rap sessions. But his comment, "As an active-duty Marine, I have sworn to defend the Constitution against all enemies fo reign and domestic. Obama is the economic enemy, the religious enemy, the domestic enemy," wasn't only on Facebook, but also posted on the military's internal network for meteorological and oceanographic information, according to Reuters.

As one commenter, royboy361 wrote on CNN.com:

As a retired military member myself I don't feel a bit sorry for this guy. The president is his commander and chief. You don't say anything that puts the President in an unflattering light no matter who is President. If that was the case I would have said things about George Bush. Show this guy the door and don't let it hit you on the way out. You should have known better!


TOPICS: Local News; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: garystein

1 posted on 04/26/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
a meteorologist at Camp Pendleton

An MOS for a chick magnet. You just know he has some war stories.

2 posted on 04/26/2012 8:00:17 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: nickcarraway

He should have been more careful in his wording.

Obama is the commander in chief. We can call him a pathetic dweeb who brings disgrace upon the union and is a colossal mis-leader who wouldn’t be able to run a lemonade stand if he was forced to do so and ranks with the worst heads of state any nation of all time.

But, a Marine officer has certain standards of decorum, as I understand. These standards of speech are clear, right?


3 posted on 04/26/2012 8:10:32 PM PDT by garjog
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To: nickcarraway

I hope the next president reinstates him and LTC. Lakin as his first executive orders and then sets to work undoing Obama’s mess.


4 posted on 04/26/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: garjog

The Marine is an NCO not an officer....his oath is to obey the lawful orders of those appointed above him......not to the constitution like an officer swears.

He has a reasonable case....15 words cost him 10 years of honorable service and most if not all of his earned benefits....VA loan, GI bill.....I think..

..now I had heard at one time that an other than honorable could be switched to an honorable later on down the road but I am not certain about this....not sure what the mechanism is to change it and regain the bennies.


5 posted on 04/26/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by superfries
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To: nickcarraway

Marine officers have to show respect to the President. (Not that I know much about the military so you guys who do please correct any errors.)

Any digs have to be indirect or subtle.

I like this video of Obama giving the Medal of Honor to Dakota Myers.

Obama made a joke at the start of the speech in which he says that when the White House called Myers on the job to tell him about about the award, Myers refused to take the call.

He said that he was working and that if “I don’t work, I don’t get paid”.

So the White House had to arrange to call him about giving him the Medal of Honor during his lunch hour.

Obama’s speech writers thought that this is a humorous detail that shows Dakota’s grit or something.

But, I think it was a way for Dakota to show contempt for a man who during the campaign ran against the war in Iraq and has shown disdain for the military and the war on terror consistently.

Imagine: “Hey Dakota. Its the White House on the phone. The President wants to talk to you!”

“OH, yeah? Well I’m busy. Tell him to call back.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3KAXdAxXHE


6 posted on 04/26/2012 8:22:15 PM PDT by garjog
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To: nickcarraway

I think this punishment us extreme, but surely this Jarine remembers his oath.

I had to serve under Carter.
I can mouth off now.

The upshot of all this is that Obama has hurt himself more than this Marine.


7 posted on 04/26/2012 8:31:39 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog

I agree Myers was sticking it to them, while remaining situationaly aware.


8 posted on 04/26/2012 8:35:16 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog

I love that a topside watch on a nuke submarine threw down on Admiral Rickover who showed up with no clearance. LOL

BTW, lets discuss Obama’s Clearance credentials.

Obama couldn’t get a confidential clearance in the military.


9 posted on 04/26/2012 8:40:13 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: garjog
Sure looks like a whole lotta contempt.


10 posted on 04/26/2012 8:40:13 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: superfries

I heard that after 30 days, he can apply for the honorable discharge. Hoping he gets it without much trouble.


11 posted on 04/26/2012 8:48:20 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: chesty_puller

MOS 0847...check it out, Chesty. He might have some war stories.


12 posted on 04/26/2012 8:52:14 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: garjog

Well all this aside there is something really puking F—ked
when the USMC says two queers kissing is a normal homecoming
photo —nice stuff-— yet gives the axe to someone who tells the truth on facebook.The REPUBLIC IS DEAD. Get over it.
We ar eNo longer worth to call ourselves by that name The United States of America. The House divided against itself cannot stand. and what have now is a Police State or despotism or ANYTHING except American FREEDOM .


13 posted on 04/26/2012 8:56:43 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: mylife

“I agree Myers was sticking it to them, while remaining situationaly aware.”

OK, so Myers kept decorum but sent the message by not accepting the phone call immediately perhaps.

But, I just watched this Marine news clip about Myers and one of the YouTube comments was that after putting the medal on Dakota, the president didn’t salute. Apparently that was a huge breach of etiquette.

Does Obama EVER salute our guys?

This clip is worth watching:

MarineTV Headlines: Sgt. Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor Recipient. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6vYc67KX4s&feature=relmfu


14 posted on 04/26/2012 9:06:50 PM PDT by garjog
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To: SgtBob
6842
15 posted on 04/26/2012 9:10:35 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Sure looks like a whole lotta contempt. “

So you post the photo of Obama and Dakota having a beer. OK, that was nice of him and maybe he wasn’t contemptuous of Dakota.

But, why didn’t he salute Dakota after putting the medal on him?

What I mean is that Obama hasn’t been known to be pro-military.

For example: Obama Complained About Taking Pictures With Troops During Trip to Baghdad — http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-book-claims-obama-complained-about-taking-pictures-with-troops-during-trip-to-baghdad/


16 posted on 04/26/2012 9:14:01 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog
Apparently that was a huge breach of etiquette.

Incorrect. Meyer would not have been able to return the salute since Marines only salute indoors if they are covered and under arms.

Saluting would have been a serious breach of etiquette.

17 posted on 04/26/2012 9:19:58 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: StonyBurk

“The USMC says two queers kissing is a normal homecoming
photo -— yet gives the axe to someone who tells the truth on facebook.”

You know, I wasn’t aware of the Marine homecoming kissing photo you mention, so Googled it.

What has Obama done to our country? He pushed to get DADT over turned and now soldiers openly kiss. And are praised for it.

Maybe you are right. Maybe we have lost it.

Here is the photo with a barf warning: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/27/us-marine-kissing-his-boyfriend-photo_n_1303848.html


18 posted on 04/26/2012 9:21:01 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

You’re making quite a few uninformed assumptions, kid.


19 posted on 04/26/2012 9:22:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“Meyer would not have been able to return the salute since Marines only salute indoors”

OK, thanks. I didn’t know that. Just read what someone else posted about Myers getting the Medal.


20 posted on 04/26/2012 9:24:23 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

That is a huge breach of etiquette.

Obama is a VERY PETTY man.


21 posted on 04/26/2012 9:30:15 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Obama Complained About Taking Pictures With Troops During Trip to Baghdad — http://www.theblaze.com/stories/new-book-claims-obama-complained-about-taking-pictures-with-troops-during-trip-to-baghdad/

OK, so here is the story that reveals Obama’s contempt for our soldiers.

“The following excerpt describes Obama’s visit to Baghdad and subsequent irritation at a request to take additional photos with soldiers and embassy staffers:

After the talk, out of earshot from the soldiers and diplomats, he starts to complain. He [Obama] starts to act very un-Obamalike, according to a U.S. embassy official who helped organize the trip in Baghdad.

“He’s asked to go out to take a few more pictures with soldiers and embassy staffers. He’s asked to sign copies of his book. “He didn’t want to take pictures with any more soldiers; he was complaining about it,” a State Department official tells me. “Look, I was excited to meet him. I wanted to like him. Let’s just say the scales fell from my eyes after I did. These are people over here who’ve been fighting the war, or working every day for the war effort, and he didn’t want to take f*cking pictures with them?”


22 posted on 04/26/2012 9:35:53 PM PDT by garjog
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To: garjog

Grrrr!


23 posted on 04/26/2012 9:44:24 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: nickcarraway

I wouldnt serve under the resident of the whitehut.Serving under carter was bad enough due to his eneptness. This guy is downright criminal. I hope this former Marine makes out ok in all he does. I would have no problem hiring him and I think there are more people that would do the same than not.


24 posted on 04/26/2012 9:55:01 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: mylife
In years past, griping was a give and take matter usually one that never came to the surface. If it did, a stern warning would be issued by one's division officer or worse yet, one's LCPO or Sgt. Major. So WTH is this, coming from command?

Not saluting I'll let go just because CIC is a sand bagger, narcissistic interloper and worthless REMF (and I don't mean Rear Echelon) court martialing a critic, I won't.


25 posted on 04/26/2012 10:23:40 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: BIGLOOK

The Marine clearly violated his oath, but he is just a small potatoes guy like me.

Obamas vehement prosecution of this guy while Nidal Hassan and Shiek Kalid Mohhamed get coddled will hurt his narrow ass.

Obama is a fool.


26 posted on 04/26/2012 10:34:13 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Obama is the first president I do not consider as the CIC.


27 posted on 04/26/2012 10:35:34 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: BIGLOOK

You’re correct.

His stuff was handled at a lower level


28 posted on 04/26/2012 10:56:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


Where? There's nothing there that says one must politically support a politician or refrain from criticism.

But you are right, Obama is a fool.
29 posted on 04/26/2012 11:05:32 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: BIGLOOK

Obama never even took his oath of allegiance to the constitution.

He flubbed it in public then the gave the oath in private when we complained.

FUBO!


30 posted on 04/26/2012 11:11:56 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BIGLOOK

IMHO opinion Obama does not believe in the constitution or the country.

Then he busts some marines ass to make a point?

Yeah, keep it up chucklehead.

FUBO!


31 posted on 04/26/2012 11:15:52 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BIGLOOK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Yff-_9MZs


32 posted on 04/26/2012 11:18:59 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Good one, My, but you know he blamed that whole FUBAR recitation on Chief Justice Roberts.

It has since become the theme of his maladministration to screw up and blame someone else.
33 posted on 04/26/2012 11:28:05 PM PDT by BIGLOOK
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To: garjog
The standards are clear, but military is not prohibited from demonstrating and such on their own time and out of uniform. Having folks know you are a military warrior is not supposed to infringe on your right to exercise free speech.
<p.The military email system is already carrying the story to ensure that nobody else chances the consequences of criticizing “Beloved leader”.
34 posted on 04/27/2012 4:00:01 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

That’s quite a website, Mister Cunningham. Might have hunt up some compatriots.

In my defense, I was a scout observer, so, naturally I default to artillery meteorology ;-)

By-the-by, are you a pilot?


35 posted on 04/27/2012 5:11:12 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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Throw him out, OK: but the other than honorable discharge is too much. If he gave a decade of honorable service, he should not have his life ruined because the current president happens to be a particularly divisive figure. If this had happened under George Bush, this guy would be a media hero,featured in cloyng interviews on every network news show. The handful of military sexual deviants who demonstrated, in uniform, for homosexual “rights” were treated as media heroes.


36 posted on 04/27/2012 5:11:15 AM PDT by Godwin1
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To: BIGLOOK
The key words that I see, and understand are “To Obey...according to regulations and the “Uniform Code of Military Justice” I take that to mean, NO Illegal orders have to be obeyed, the p-resident is not eligible to give orders to a dog catcher,. much less a Military Member”.

I am a twenty year (plus) Veteran, served in Korea and VN and we were always reminded about the Illegal Orders Trap, especially in the politically charged VN Conflict.
Airborne, All The Way

37 posted on 04/27/2012 7:53:23 AM PDT by coldflamingo (Old Paratrooper/Nam Vet/Retired SFC USArmy)
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To: trebb
"The military email system is already carrying the story to ensure that nobody else chances the consequences of criticizing “Beloved leader”."

Soon we will all be singing Praise of Glorious Leader!

YES WE CAN BELIEVE IN GLORIOUS LEADER! PRAISE OBAMA!

_________________________

The Song of General Kim Il-sung

So dear to all our hearts is our General's glorious name,

Our own beloved Kim Il-Sung of undying fame.

Tell, blizzards that rage in the wild Manchurian plains,

Tell, you nights in forests deep where the silence reigns,

Who is the partisan whose deeds are unsurpassed?

Who is the patriot whose fame shall ever last?

So dear to all our hearts is our General's glorious name,

Our own beloved Kim Il-Sung of undying fame.

He severed the chains of the masses, brought them liberty,

The sun of Korea today, democratic and free.

For the Twenty Points united we stand fast,

Over our fair homeland spring has come at last!

So dear to all our hearts is our General's glorious name,

Our own beloved Kim Il-Sung of undying fame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjbOJf11voU

38 posted on 04/27/2012 9:37:03 PM PDT by garjog
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