Posted on 04/05/2012 1:25:54 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
I know the rules of baseball can be arcane and--dare I say it?--Talmudic. But I saw something in today's Braves/Mets opener that I simply don't understand. I've done a web search but come up blank.
It's the bottom of the second. Ike Davis is at bat for the Mets; first base is open. He has two strikes on him. He swings and misses at the third strike, but it barely touches the ground before being caught.
Now as I understand it, this entitled him to run for first base. But he didn't. Instead he informed the umpire that the ball had touched the ground (apparently the ump didn't see that) and, rather than being sent to first base, was given another pitch to swing at (what . . . ?). Ironically, he again struck out on a ball in the dirt and this time was thrown out at first base.
I have never seen this situation before and can't find any reference to it. Are there any baseball fan FReepers who know why this third-strike-not-caught got the batter an extra pitch rather than a chance to reach first base?
it sounds like the catcher did not catch the first “strike three”. If it is a tip, the catcher has to catch it before it hits the ground. Or catch it clean, without touching the ground.
ROFLMAO! The reason your statement is so funny is because a batter only offers advice AFTER the umpire makes his call and it never even comes close to civility..........lol!
He signaled a strikeout, but even then Davis should have run for first base. Instead Davis told the ump it had hit the ground (I assume the ump didn't catch this) and he was given another pitch to hit.
I understand the "uncaught-third-strike rule." What I don't understand is why an uncaught third strike would result in a batter being given another pitch to hit rather than merely being tagged out by the catcher to finish the out.
a foul tip is when the ball hits the bat. With 2 strikes, a foul tip is just another foul ball, unless the catcher catches it clean.
NOT on a foul tip.......It's a foul ball and all applicable rules regarding foul balls apply.......
A schwing and a miss on a third strike is an out even if it's in the dirt just as long as the catcher catches it.........but it's apparent in this case that the schwing was a foul tip.
Um . . . I know all this. But the catcher didn't clean catch it and instead of tagging the batter or the batter running for first the umpire gave him another pitch to hit.
Maybe it really was a foul tip.
If it touches the ground on a third strike regardless if it did so just a tinsey winsey wittle bit it still is a foul ball.
I do miss Skip, Pete, and Ernie. They were like family.
I don’t remember hearing Milo, but, I remember him being a Braves announcer.
My favorite baseball story was told by Ernie Johnston.
He was pitching in a world series game to Mickey Mantle and threw his best pitch. Mantle hit a foul tip and Ernie swore that he smelled smoke! I believe him. Ernie wasn’t a bad pitcher at all.
Or straight back to the old French games of la soule, thèque, la balle au bâton, and la balle empoisonnée. Maybe you will find the real thing there.
Rukle 1-the umpire is always right
Rule 2-if you think the umpire is wrong, see rule 1.
If I may add...........the signal for could tip is usually holding the right hand up palm down, near or above the shoulder and pass the the left hand, palm down, just above the right and two or three times move the left hand over the right hand as if brushing lint off your suit.
Not if the umpire only has one arm and it's on his left side.......
Dr. Kimball, is that you?
Could=Foul
Ernie Harwell got a special mention before the game in Detroit today. Tigers had a good home opener winning against the Red Sox.
Yes and now we have replay also.
Actually I think Armando Gallaraga (And Jim Joyce) will probably be more notable in the record books for that game and blown call than if it had been called correctly.
A story for the ages.
My two Skip Caray favorites:
1) Ted Turner tells all Turner employees (especially CNN) that they are now forbidden to say the word "foreign". It's too nationalistic. Preferred substitute word "international". So when an umpire is checking out a pitcher to see if he was doctoring pitches, Skip chirps that the ump is looking for an "international substance".
2) Skip reacts to fellow broadcaster Jimmy Piersall after he is quoted as calling players' wives "whores". Piersall was best known for his psychological breakdown and recovery which was turned into the movie "Fear Strikes Out". Said Skip, "It looks like Fear actually lined a double off the fence."
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