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Secret Files Reveal 9,000 Nazi War Criminals Fled to South America After WWII
Daily Mail ^ | ALLAN HALL

Posted on 04/01/2012 2:48:10 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Nine thousand Nazi war criminals fled to South America after the Second World War, it has been revealed for the first time.

After receiving tip-offs, German prosecutors were recently granted access to secret files in Brazil and Chile that confirmed the true number of Third Reich immigrants.

According to the documents, an estimated 9,000 war criminals escaped to South America, including Croatians, Ukrainians, Russians and other western Europeans who aided the Nazi murder machine.

Most, perhaps as many as 5,000, went to Argentina; between 1,500 and 2,000 are thought to have made it to Brazil; around 500 to 1,000 to Chile; and the rest to Paraguay and Uruguay.

These numbers do not include several hundred more who fled to the safety of right-wing regimes in the Middle East.

Previous estimates as to how many Nazis fled to South America have varied wildly from 5,000 to 300,000.

The files also showed that during the war Argentine President General Juan Peron sold 10,000 blank Argentine passports to ODESSA – the organisation set up to protect former SS men in the event of defeat.

Kurt Schrimm, 62, head of the central war criminal authority in Germany, is among the legal team sifting through archives.

He said: 'These documents provide the hottest leads we have had for years.'

Mr Schrimm said a female historian provided the clues about the Nazis who got away, who included Holocaust mastermind Adolf Eichmann, Auschwitz doctor Josef Mengele and Treblinka death camp commander Franz Stangl

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: esmit

1 posted on 04/01/2012 2:48:13 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Not to the dark side of the Moon?


2 posted on 04/01/2012 2:48:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Wouldn’t most if not all of these folks be dead by now?


3 posted on 04/01/2012 2:56:17 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: nickcarraway
After receiving tip-offs, German prosecutors were recently granted access to secret files in Brazil and Chile that confirmed the true number of Third Reich immigrants.

Gee, only after 60 plus years ...thanks a lot for protecting evil ...

4 posted on 04/01/2012 2:57:48 PM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: Mmogamer

Suspended animation and cloning.


5 posted on 04/01/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: nickcarraway

“Secret Files Reveal 9,000 Nazi War Criminals Fled to South America After WWII”

And those were just the ones traveling first class.


6 posted on 04/01/2012 2:58:40 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: nickcarraway

5,000 to Argentina, huh?

We take in that number on ONE AVERAGE NIGHT on our southern border.

On a busy night it can be 10,000.

IN ONE NIGHT.


7 posted on 04/01/2012 3:06:47 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mmogamer
Wouldn’t most if not all of these folks be dead by now?

lenin's dead, too. we still gotta deal with him.

"Lunatic fringe, we all know you're out there..."

8 posted on 04/01/2012 3:08:18 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: nickcarraway
Kurt Schrimm, 62, head of the central war criminal authority in Germany... said: 'Many are under a false name with a dark past.'

they weren't all war criminals

9 posted on 04/01/2012 3:22:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: nickcarraway

About that many Jews escaped Nazi Germany to Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, etc. also. There’s a big Christian Palestinian group that escaped to Honduras, too.


10 posted on 04/01/2012 3:23:29 PM PDT by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Mmogamer
Given that the bulk of them would have fled around '45 or a little later, and most would have been at least in their early to mid 20's (many were older and high-ranking), anybody left now would have to be well into their 90's. I think that realistically, all of the high-profile targets are long gone, and there's only the odd low-level minion that may still be found; even so, that window is closing fast.

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."

--H.L. Mencken, The Sage of Baltimore


11 posted on 04/01/2012 3:33:04 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Viking2002

The Communists are responsible for more murders than the Nazis, and a large number of Communists with blood on their hands are still walking around. For some reason, nobody shows much interest in hunting them down.


12 posted on 04/01/2012 3:42:59 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: nickcarraway

I truly doubt that the vast majority of these people were war criminals. Yet that didn’t mean that there weren’t a lot of people that wanted to kill them.

For example, anyone who had been in the SS, not just the genocidal General SS, but also the combat Waffen SS, would be killed on the spot by either the Russians or the Americans, but the French were willing to draft them into the French Foreign Legion. So even entire Waffen SS battalions ended up wearing French uniforms and fighting in French Indochina, aka Vietnam.

Germany was also devastated at the end of the war, so many emigrated just to get out of there. And South America was a preferred location, as many Germans had migrated there around World War I, and there was a large and prosperous German community.

It should also be noted that many German POWs interred in the US during the war liked what they had seen, and wanted to emigrate to the US as well, and did.


13 posted on 04/01/2012 3:45:43 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
I truly doubt that the vast majority of these people were war criminals.

But some, like Eichmann, were. And the Argies gave him a lot of help.

14 posted on 04/01/2012 3:47:10 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: GreatRoad

The number taken to the US may be even greater.


15 posted on 04/01/2012 3:53:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PapaBear3625
True - for one reason - we got to the Nazis before they developed nukes, and took down their military machine. And we relied on a separate-but-equal evil to do it. Once the Reds built their regime back up and got The Bomb (thanks in no small part to America's 'peace-loving intellectual progressives' of their day), all those Commie animals could hide behind the Iron Curtain with impunity. Regardless of the actual or perceived differences between the two, at the end of the day they were still different colors of the same cat. The Soviets just had a better press agent.

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."

--H.L. Mencken, The Sage of Baltimore


16 posted on 04/01/2012 4:08:48 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: nickcarraway
Secret Files Reveal 9,000 Nazi War Criminals Fled to South America After WWII

The link states between 3000 and 30,000, but more importantly, it fails to mention how many real neo-nazis are likely to exist 70 years later.

Taking the low figure as a start, the number can easily be 50,000 of the little darlings today.

17 posted on 04/01/2012 4:18:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep. - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Only Kammler went to the dark side of the Moon!

New movie coming out on April 4th about the Nazis from the Moon invading Earth. LOL!
“Iron Sky”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc


18 posted on 04/01/2012 4:18:42 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: nickcarraway

And before the war (II) how many Communists fled to the United States? The effects are with us to this day.


19 posted on 04/01/2012 4:22:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: nickcarraway

And before the war (II) how many Communists fled to the United States? The effects are with us to this day.


20 posted on 04/01/2012 4:22:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: nickcarraway
Secret Files Reveal 9,000 Nazi War Criminals Fled to South America After WWII

I have yet to see a single list, secret or otherwise, of Communist War Criminals from during WWII and up to today. Perhaps the Kommisars are politically protected as they are the cadre teaching political indoctrination and butchery to the current agents in Western governments.

21 posted on 04/01/2012 4:25:19 PM PDT by varon (Congress is a sanctuary for political criminals)
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To: nickcarraway; a fool in paradise

I knew one such Nazi. He was a dentist who, by the way, operated on Actor Dustin Hoffman.


22 posted on 04/01/2012 4:25:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

does clove oil really exist?


23 posted on 04/01/2012 4:29:41 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile

24 posted on 04/01/2012 4:33:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: varon
Ummm the Communists specifically the USSR were on the winning side in WWII, that's why there is no WWII Communist war criminal list. Now are there Communists who are the equivalent of Nazi war criminals? Heck yes, just about every retired NKVD (later called the KGB) internal directorate officer and Gulag commander. Most of them unfortunately are living their retirements and dreaming about Stalin and the good old days.
25 posted on 04/01/2012 4:37:54 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily

Also we don’t have hours of visual footage of Communist atrocities, like we do with the Nazi atrocities.


26 posted on 04/01/2012 4:39:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
It should also be noted that many German POWs interred in the US during the war liked what they had seen, and wanted to emigrate to the US as well, and did.

I had a retired U.S. Marine friend who did join up after his release here in the states. He was a German infantryman during WWII and saw action in Russia during Operation Barbarossa. His prior cold weather training saved many lives up near the Chosin Reservoir.

27 posted on 04/01/2012 4:51:04 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: dfwgator
True the Nazi's being German were anal enough to document it all. Plus their concentration camps got overrun and there was further documentation done by the Western Allies. (The Russian Communists documented Nazi horror only when they had a propaganda point to make!) Who over ran the Gulags?
As the worst part of that system got shut down, the horror and the injustice disappears into the dust of history.

It is the same in China and North Korea, we get incredible second hand tales of horror occasionally eyewitnesses, but no documented WWII-like scenes of horror, hard to bring anybody to justice with that. Besides who is the sovereign power over China & North Korea who could do it? The UN? Hah I want them to have less power and influence! Those mouth breathers already think that have some de facto sovereignty over the USA! Never !
28 posted on 04/01/2012 4:52:49 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I thought they all went to Antarctica?


29 posted on 04/01/2012 4:53:26 PM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind.)
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To: dfwgator

In the whole scheme of things, the Soviets (especially under Stalin) killed tens of millions more people than Hitler ever did. Somehow, the Soviets got away with it. Even nowadays in history textbooks.


30 posted on 04/01/2012 4:54:16 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Reily

After the war, the Soviets used Buchenwald as a Concentration Camp of their own.


31 posted on 04/01/2012 4:57:17 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Is it safe? (shudder)


32 posted on 04/01/2012 4:57:54 PM PDT by Textide
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To: dfwgator

yep


33 posted on 04/01/2012 5:06:48 PM PDT by Reily
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To: nickcarraway; martin_fierro; Charles Henrickson

Ich bin ein Braziliner


34 posted on 04/01/2012 5:13:29 PM PDT by mikrofon (Ich bin ein Tagliner)
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To: Mmogamer

Lets hunt down the congers and if they are dead—find their friends and sons and slay them! Dig up their graves and scatter their bones! Hey—Lets start acting a bit Christian here—Its been too long. Time to seek forgiveness—let God sort out the just from the unjust-—Why look back in time when so many problems exist in the here and now? Look to the murderers who are alive today—the terrorists—the Jihadists—the wild-eyed anti-Semites in Iran. We need no boogie men from Nazi Germany—we have more than enough today.


35 posted on 04/01/2012 5:21:31 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nickcarraway
He said: 'These documents provide the hottest leads we have had for years.'

Leads to what, some 90 year old retired auto worker who is now dead but was convicted by the U.S while being found innocent by the Israelis themselves?

36 posted on 04/01/2012 5:27:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: Reily
"Ummm the Communists specifically the USSR were on the winning side in WWII"

_________________________________________________________ Ummm, the Commies were on the winning side twice in WWII!

_________________________________________________________

The first time when Poland was partitioned, the second, when Germany was partitioned

37 posted on 04/01/2012 8:20:40 PM PDT by Erich von Manstein (You need to see things my way!)
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To: PapaBear3625
The Communists are responsible for more murders than the Nazis, and a large number of Communists with blood on their hands are still walking around. For some reason, nobody shows much interest in hunting them down.

I think Poland has tried going after some of them. Recently hungarians passed some laws stating that communism is a criminal enterprise and revoked statutes of limitations for communist crimes. The new conservative hungarian constitution is worth reading.

Much more could be done worldwide, of course. The crimes of communists are so numerous and so appalling (think Katyn) that it boggles the mind. Whole nations enslaved by criminal gangs, economies bled dry, tens of millions imprisoned, slave labour, deportation of entire nationalities, dynamiting of thousands of churches, (muslims would be happy here) incredible oppression of conscience and corruption of generations... boggles the mind.

38 posted on 04/01/2012 9:43:31 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
The crimes of communists are so numerous and so appalling (think Katyn) that it boggles the mind. Whole nations enslaved by criminal gangs, economies bled dry, tens of millions imprisoned, slave labour, deportation of entire nationalities, dynamiting of thousands of churches, (muslims would be happy here) incredible oppression of conscience and corruption of generations... boggles the mind.

Indeed.

Well said.

39 posted on 04/01/2012 9:58:22 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Erich von Manstein
no argument there!
The West flat out betrayed Poland.
40 posted on 04/02/2012 1:28:09 PM PDT by Reily
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