After a Real Shooting

Guns & Ammo ^ | May 26, 2011 | Brock Norman

[Jeff Chandler]

What should you say, or what should you NOT say if you’re involved in a shooting? Massad Ayoob shares the 5-points to cover when the police arrive.

[Jeff Chandler]

Pertinent advice. Video at link.

[ClearCase_guy]

Ayoob is always worth paying attention to.

[lowbridge]

Tell the cops that they can get your side of the story from your lawyer, then clam up.

[gaijin]

I feel so sorry for Ayoob —imagine how many times per year his job requires him to travel around the country by air with GUNS....?!?!

He’s a GREAT guy, but imagine you’re some TSA flunky and an Ayoob Masaad shows up wanting to fly with like 2 Glocks and a Sig...?!

I shudder to contemplate it.

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

thanks so much for posting!!!

[Recovering Ex-hippie]

thanks so much for posting!!!

[2nd Bn, 11th Mar]

Many, many thanks for posting this. I was just thinking about this situation while (carrying) on my walk this morning.

Semper Fi,

[Chode]

In the Gravest Extreme...

[hadaclueonce]

Sorry you got suspended

[nerdwithagun]

If he is still a deputized police officer, I would imagine things being a little easier for him

[E. Pluribus Unum]

1. Officer, this man attacked me
2. I will sign a complaint
3. The evidence (bullet casings, etc.) is right there
4. Those people witnessed it
5. Officer, you will have my full cooperation in 24 hours after I have spoken with counsel

[MasterGunner01]

For all CCW holders, memorize these steps BEFORE you're involved in a self-defense confrontation.

Self-defense shooting (Massad Ayoob)

1. Make the call to 911. Law presumes who made the call to be the victim.
2. Holster your pistol so you don’t appear threatening when the cops show up. Keep one hand on the pistol, keep your eyes on the attacker, and hold your other hand up so the cops can see it.
3. Tell the cops who arrive on-scene:
A. I’m the one who called.
B. That’s the man who attacked me.
C. He may still have a weapon.
D. I don’t know if there are any more.
4. The five things to say as the scene is being secured::
A. This man attacked me.
B. I will sign the complaint.
C. Evidence is here.
D. The witnesses are there.
E. I will cooperate fully with you 24 hours after contacting counsel.
5. Make no further statements to anyone, especially the media. If you must talk to the media, make sure any statements are made through your attorney.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Even better.

[Tahoe3002]

Thanks......
read later

[Joe Brower]

Good info.

[Ramius]

For anyone that hasn’t read it: get “In the Gravest Extreme” by Massad Ayoob. It remains the single best book on what it -really- means to use a gun in self defense. It’s not all sunshine and lollypops. Even in the most justified of circumstances it is a life-changing event.

I keep several copies on hand and give them out to friends like they were gospel tracts.

[CodeToad]

“Make the call to 911. Law presumes who made the call to be the victim.”

No, they don’t. They assume whoever did the shooting and in possession of a firearm to be the aggressor. I know, after multiple times at that rodeo I have seen that pattern of prejudice. Also, NEVER place a hand near your weapon. They will want to see BOTH hands. They will remove the wepaon from its holster.

Best advice: Have a good attorney on speed dial. They are worth their weight in gold. Shut up. Nothing but the most basic statement that you are the vicitm and that your attorney is on his way and you will give a statement after speaking to the attorney.

[Gilbo_3]

good info, but dont forget, at least as a last resort, to complain of “shortness of breath/chest pain” to buy some *alone* time at the hospital to await counsel...

[rarestia]

Best advice: Have a good attorney on speed dial.

I'll do you one better.

After my first defensive use of a firearm, I spent a lot of time in legal offices discussing my case and buttressing it. The very best advice I ever took was to contact your local LEO precinct and ask who they retain for counsel on LEO-involved shootings. Get their card and if you're ever involved in a self-defense shooting, hand his/her card to the responding LEOs and explain that they are your counsel.

I, thank God, never saw the inside of a court room for either of my defensive firearm uses, but having that attorney's card in my wallet the second time it happened really set my heart and mind at ease.

[MasterGunner01]

Let me be perfectly clear: I did not say this. This was part of a YouTube video with Tom Gresham (Gun Talk Radio) and Massad Ayoob. This is Massad Ayoob talking (and I think he makes valid points).

If you are looking to pick a fight with anyone, pick your fight with Massad Ayoob.

If you don't like the message or you think it is incorrect, talk to Massad Ayoob.

Don't argue fine points with me; I passed this information pretty much verbatim from the interview. Argue with Massad Ayoob.

I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV.