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To: Quix

OK, I’ll bite: Is it possible to discuss some of the smaller but actual real issues— that do present some unique and difficult problems— without jumping all the way to Dr. Mengele in the first round?

They are talking about adolescents with extreme mental retardation. These people as they mature are not capable of understanding much about sexuality at all, and are tragically taken advantage of and used by predators at alarming rates. It’s heartbreaking— and I wouldn’t automatically jump to sterilization as a right answer. But somehow there needs to be a way to have a frank discussion of all the facets of the problem and all the possible elements of solutions, without that discussion slipping instantly into death-camp territory.

Some more mildly retarded people indeed do successfully move into adulthood, marriage and even child-rearing. I’ve seen it happen over and over. But for the severely retarded, a girl with the body and chemistry of a seventeen year old, but the mind of a toddler... there are many cruelties being visited upon her already and it’s reasonable to think rationally about what additional cruelties there may be and whether they can be avoided.

I’m not sure I know the answer, but no answers come out of a discussion that is shut down before it even starts.


30 posted on 03/08/2012 7:23:10 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius; wagglebee
They are talking about adolescents with extreme mental retardation. These people as they mature are not capable of understanding much about sexuality at all, and are tragically taken advantage of and used by predators at alarming rates. It’s heartbreaking— and I wouldn’t automatically jump to sterilization as a right answer. But somehow there needs to be a way to have a frank discussion of all the facets of the problem and all the possible elements of solutions, without that discussion slipping instantly into death-camp territory.

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All the more reason why the parents should be involved.

31 posted on 03/08/2012 7:29:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Ramius

I understand your points.

However, I don’t have much patience with

tyrannically satanic government mandated

‘solutions’

that are MUCH WORSE than the problem.

Do you even believe there is a satanic global government increasingly forcing itself onto the public world stage?

I have long been convinced that God doesn’t create such poor afflictions but He does use them to teach the rest of us wisdom and compassion.


32 posted on 03/08/2012 7:32:04 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Ramius

Given the situations you gave as an example, you actually accept the idea of giving them legal responsibility for a decision as important as that?


34 posted on 03/08/2012 7:36:05 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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