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Total Dominance! Red State Straw Poll: Sarah Palin 52.4% Herman Cain 21.4% Ron Paul 10.2%...
A Time for Choosing ^ | October 1, 2011 | Gary P Jackson

Posted on 10/01/2011 4:32:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: BfloGuy
this stuff is pitiful.

It's only 'pitiful' if you think it's nothing but a lot of hot air, but it's not. Outside of a real primary vote, there aren't many ways of getting a feel for what a candidate's popularity with the voters is.

So-called 'non-scientific' polls are usually taken with a degree of caution, but when a candidate fares well in nearly all of them for well over a year, it would be foolish to discount that aggregate result.

So-called 'scientific' polls should also be taken with a grain of salt, because it's been proven time and time again that they're routinely manipulated to produce a desired result. Still - watch enough of them, for a long enough period of time, and certain patterns emerge.

Try this, for instance. Input the names of every candidate into individual Google searches and see how many returns you get for each of them. That will tell you a lot about which candidates command the most interest among the public and the chattering class.

You wouldn't necessarily use that information as a basis upon which to choose your candidate, but it's informative data, nonetheless.

21 posted on 10/01/2011 6:26:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SamAdams76
love the oil painting image

The original is called, "Grand Old Gang" by Andy Thomas. Palin was later photoshopped in by others. Here's my favorite edition of that effort:



22 posted on 10/01/2011 6:30:38 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of the top two vote-getters in this poll, only one really matters - Herman Cain. The other hasn’t declared and thus is little more than a fantasy or “would be nice”....

Cain’s the man.


23 posted on 10/01/2011 6:42:49 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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Heaven forbid she doesn't run, because if she announces she's sitting it out, I don't want to think of what the fallout is going to be like here. It'll be pretty gruesome, I'd imagine.

I'm a big supporter, I think romney and perry are unacceptable and that Cain is the only realistic announced conservative. I just hate seeing the divide that's going on here over the whole thing. I guess I should be used to to being here since 2000, but man, we do a pretty good job of eating our own over these things.

Then again, we can't afford to let RINOs get pushed on us like mccain in 2008. Best we sort that out in short order.

24 posted on 10/01/2011 7:15:05 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Windflier

I agree. Nice spot for Sarah in that empty space right in front of Ike. Puts her right in the midst of the joyful cameraderie, right where she belongs.


25 posted on 10/01/2011 7:16:12 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: FromTheSidelines
Of the top two vote-getters in this poll, only one really matters - Herman Cain. The other hasn’t declared and thus is little more than a fantasy or “would be nice”....

I didn't realize that the nomination was over.

Actually, I think that's just all in your head.

26 posted on 10/01/2011 7:17:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: federal__reserve; E. Pluribus Unum
How were the votes recorded? 1. Internet 2. Paper ballots 3. Phone calls 4. Electronic voting machines If it was Internet, it is easy to pile on votes. Paul supporters are experts at this, we can Freep polls, the DUmmies can DU any internet poll....

It was a poll of a certain web site.

The flavor of that certain web site determines the result. It has no correlation with the Real World outside of that web site. It is as meaningless as asking on Democratic Underground whether Ronald Reagan or Che Guevara was the greatest patriot.

Good news, though.

After Florida (4th most populous state in the U.S.) moved up it's primary, the filing deadline is now apparently October 15 and no serious candidate can throw away Florida's delegates. So, in only 14 more days, "The Tease" will finally be over and Sarah Palin will actually have to .... OH NO!..... GASP!! ....THE HORROR!! .... you know .... actually COMPETE IN THE ARENA instead of competing only in the imagination of her followers.

27 posted on 10/01/2011 7:17:52 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: Windflier

I agree. Nice spot for Sarah in that empty space right in front of Ike. Puts her in the midst of the joyful cameraderie, right where she belongs.


28 posted on 10/01/2011 7:20:20 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

Sorry for the double post. When I clicked to post my ‘puter hung so long I didn’t realize it had actually posted. Dang newfangled contraptions!


29 posted on 10/01/2011 7:23:51 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Lady Lucky
Why do you keep posting that? It’s rather offensive, why would you want to insult freepers who are understandably impatient for a Palin announcement? .... Lady Lucky

To: Lady Lucky ...... She's playing chess. You're playing fifty-two pickup. And you're still losing.

E. Pluribus Unum, do you know what Sarah Palin is really playing?

She is playing YOU like a cheap fiddle.

The day after the Florida Primary filing deadline, you will know that ..... or, maybe you still won't.


30 posted on 10/01/2011 7:28:10 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: Polybius
So, in only 14 more days, "The Tease" will finally be over and Sarah Palin will actually have to .... OH NO!..... GASP!! ....THE HORROR!! .... you know .... actually COMPETE IN THE ARENA instead of competing only in the imagination of her followers.

Oh dear, what will you all complain about once she's official a candidate? Have you formulated your next line of attack yet?
31 posted on 10/01/2011 7:33:50 PM PDT by TheCornerOffice
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No the nomination’s not over - of course, the top vote-getter isn’t even available for the nomination, is she? See, you have to FORMALLY ANNOUNCE first.

Having her in the poll makes as much sense as having the other Presidents shown in the paintings above in the same poll. At this point, none of them are candidates - none of them are available.


32 posted on 10/01/2011 7:43:35 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: TheCornerOffice; Polybius
Oh dear, what will you all complain about once she's official a candidate? Have you formulated your next line of attack yet?

How is it an "attack" to state the truth? Sarah Palin is not a candidate for the Presidency. That may change in the future (realistically in the next 14 days), but for now, it is 100% accurate and truthful. She's not a candidate.

Seems to me the ones who are all bent out of shape and out-of-touch with reality are those insisting she is a viable candidate. Considering Palin herself has not declared herself as a candidate, makes you look pretty loopy, no?

33 posted on 10/01/2011 7:47:01 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Tucker39
Nice spot for Sarah in that empty space right in front of Ike. Puts her in the midst of the joyful cameraderie, right where she belongs.

You betcha.

You might remember that HotAir ran a little contest where they asked for photoshoppers to submit their versions of Grand Old Gang with Sarah included. As I recall, there were about eight of them published on their website. The one I posted was the best of the lot, I thought.

I wonder if Andy Thomas has ever seen it? If he has, I'll bet he agrees.

34 posted on 10/01/2011 8:01:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TheCornerOffice
So, in only 14 more days, "The Tease" will finally be over and Sarah Palin will actually have to .... OH NO!..... GASP!! ....THE HORROR!! .... you know .... actually COMPETE IN THE ARENA instead of competing only in the imagination of her followers. .... Polybius

Oh dear, what will you all complain about once she's official a candidate? Have you formulated your next line of attack yet? ..... TheCornerOffice

I, for one, will not complain at all at that point.

I will congratulate her for having THE GUTS to actually COMPETE.

After that, my praise or criticism will have to do with how she actually PERFORMS in "The Arena".

I have criticized my own preferred candidate for being lazy, overconfident and not putting in the work required to be prepared for the debates. (That would be Perry.)

Once she is a candidate, Palin will then "fly or die" based on her own actual merits as a viable candidate and not on the basis of the imagination of her followers.

What I find intolerable is the fact that Palin's supporters have found excuses to attack every other Republican candidate that has had the guts to get into "The Arena" for no other reason other than the fact that their name was not "Sarah Palin". Yet, Sarah Palin remains in the spectator seats of "The Arena" instead of actually being IN "The Arena".

In case my references to "The Arena" went completely over your head, this is Theodore Roosevelt teaching you something:

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." ..... Theodore Roosevelt

35 posted on 10/01/2011 8:28:31 PM PDT by Polybius (Defeating Obama should be Priority Number One)
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To: Caipirabob

“Heaven forbid she doesn’t run, because if she announces she’s sitting it out, I don’t want to think of what the fallout is going to be like here. It’ll be pretty gruesome, I’d imagine.

I’m a big supporter, I think romney and perry are unacceptable and that Cain is the only realistic announced conservative. I just hate seeing the divide that’s going on here over the whole thing. I guess I should be used to to being here since 2000, but man, we do a pretty good job of eating our own over these things.

Then again, we can’t afford to let RINOs get pushed on us like mccain in 2008. Best we sort that out in short order. “

It made me almost sick to see McCain get the nomination on our side, and I was really afraid for our country when Obama won the presidency.

But maybe we needed a dose of really bad medicine to wake up the sleeping giant.

I was happy to vote for Sarah, against Obama, even though it was a futile effort in a blue state, in a stupid country, that was asleep at the wheel and almost went over the cliff (sorry about the mixed metaphors)

Well, things sure have changed since then.

People are getting educated about the founders, the constitution, the economy - I’m feeling hopeful again.

Herman Cain’s positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.

I expect that he will be back on top of that one soon, as more people find out about about Perry’s Hispanic pandering and other issues.

Closer look at Perry = less support.

Closer look at Herman = more support.

But I think Sarah’s people and Herman’s people should NOT be sniping at each other.

If she wants to wait until the very last minute to decide, that’s fine with me, given the whiplash way the campaign has been so far.

If Herman gains enough traction that she decides not to put her family through hell again, that’s OK with me.

I love and trust them both, and would happily vote for either one, in either order.


36 posted on 10/01/2011 9:14:39 PM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Palin PWNAGE

Cheers!

37 posted on 10/02/2011 7:00:38 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Red State poll, like all straw polling, is not scientific, and so not a good indicator of success.
38 posted on 10/02/2011 7:16:24 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: Polybius
Hmmn, lemon? Your mental picture of reality matches you perfectly.
39 posted on 10/02/2011 9:25:30 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Democrats creation of the entitlement class will prove out to be their very own Frankenstein monster)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; ConservativeDude

40 posted on 10/06/2011 7:15:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky ( Patriots have always put country first.)
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