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I think Palin's unfavoribles are wide, but less than an inch deep

Posted on 09/18/2011 3:07:02 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative

Obviously there is no logical reason for her unfavorables in the polls to be what they are. Did she do anything like let an intern give her oral sex or get involved in some disasterous scandal ? absolutely not. There is NOTHING on her. They have looked and looked and looked. Nobody has found a thing. She seems to be the kind of leader that the American people are wanting to represent them.

They do. I contend to you that her unfavoribles mean NOTHING. It is useless polling data and should have no impact on who wins the nomination in 2012. If she gets the nomination, she would win electoral votes based on national and global events (the economy, ect)

I believe the number of Americans who hate her with a passion is very very small. The unfavoribles you see in the polls are a result of some very shallow group think left over from the 2012. Nobody has seen Saraj Palin run her own national campaign. It would not take much at all to turn those numbers inside out.

What we see here is that the anti palin people in this country are just very loud. Conservatives hear them and for some reason think the high volume of their voice mean they have huge numbers. Even some here on FR get their information from people who hate them and then they are ignorant enough to toss it around like it is fact !


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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Too southern? Let’s see a Republican win the presidency without the real south, much less TX. What a foolish statement.


201 posted on 09/18/2011 7:05:13 PM PDT by EDINVA ( Jimmy McMillan '12: because RENT'S TOO DAMN HIGH)
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To: editor-surveyor
Not quite "prefect" you mean?

Scroll down, there's more! ;-)

Cheers!

202 posted on 09/18/2011 7:05:13 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: OwatonnaNative
Reagan was behind by 29 points one year before the election. According to your logic he should not have been our nominee.

Yes, Reagan was way behind from Dec. 1979 thru March of 1980 - but so was everyone else. You may not remember, but there were 2 big international event that took place in November of 1979. The first was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the second was the taking of the American embassy in Iran. Those two events gave Carter a huge boost over all opponents as the country came together to support the president. But that boost proved to be temporary as he managed to screw those up as well.

So the question you have to ask yourself is: If there has been no major international event to give Obama a big boost over Palin, how can Reagan's experience be relevant to her situation? Also, since her high negatives have been persistent for at least 2 years, you have to ask what she can do now to change them? Since none of the other GOP candidates are in the same situation, it cannot be like 1980, where the incumbent got a big boost over the entire competition.

You folks really need to get over the Reagan analogy. It does not even come close to applying to Sarah's situation. It is like a form of mental masturbation - it will make you feel good for a while, but will not actually produce anything constructive.

203 posted on 09/18/2011 7:11:08 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: RoosterRedux

If you don’t know, you are not him.


204 posted on 09/18/2011 7:11:24 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. candidate for America the Beautiful...)
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To: normy

“Now in order for Palin to be President her supporters will try to destroy Perry, the Lt.Governor and the Texas Speaker?”

Palin supporters are not trying to destroy Perry and my guess is that if Sarah doesn’t run many will support Perry over Romney. That being said, Perry simply does not have the same conservative credentials as Palin. I live in San Antonio so I believe I am qualified to point out concerns with Perry. His support for the TTC just smacks of cronyism. His mindless support for toll roads, on roads that tax payers have already paid for just to raise more taxes is simply a bad decisions that shows his true political beliefs. The Gardasil thing has been done to death but that too shows he has a knee jerk, big daddy government side that comes out in weird circumstances.

Now, if you want to tell me where you disagree with any policy publicly supported by Palin, I and most of her supporters would be happy to engage in that debate. Perry and the rest of the field simply don’t match Palin’s consistency and reliably conservative governance.


205 posted on 09/18/2011 7:12:28 PM PDT by OwatonnaNative
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Knock it off...


206 posted on 09/18/2011 7:12:37 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Looks like another barn-burner >200 so far.


207 posted on 09/18/2011 7:13:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: normy
By Palin playing her game,she has begin to put herself on the outs with the very party she purposes to want to run for office from.

I got news for you, pal...the party has been plunging its daggers into Palin's back for a long time now.

Next for GOP leaders: Stopping Sarah Palin

208 posted on 09/18/2011 7:13:35 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: magritte
I couldn’t cate less, however.

Then go away.

209 posted on 09/18/2011 7:15:51 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: magritte
Yer my favorite parody poster ! Well said!!

I expected flame and got...burn ointment?

Gee, thanks!

210 posted on 09/18/2011 7:17:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: normy
The dallas Morning News?!

So which of the numbers in the DMN graphic are incorrect?

211 posted on 09/18/2011 7:18:15 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: winoneforthegipper
I feel bad for a lot of them because,they are viewing this as a Texas thing and not a U.S.A. thing. I think Jeb Bush was a great Governor, but I would not vote for him as President ever. He shares a Birthday with Sarah, but he is too much into Open Borders,like Perry.
212 posted on 09/18/2011 7:19:06 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. candidate for America the Beautiful...)
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To: CA Conservative

“You folks really need to get over the Reagan analogy. It does not even come close to applying to Sarah’s situation”

The Reagan analogy comes from Palin’s policy beliefs. Name the Republican among the current field who’s views are closer to Reagan. I will gladly compare and contrast their views with Palin and Reagan.

But again, you keep coming back to polls, telling us that we shouldn’t support Palin because her polling is lower. Well, the latest PPP poll has Obama at 47 percent against Palin and 46 percent against Perry - not a big difference. PPP also released a poll 2 weeks ago that has Palin up over Obama by 14 points among independents in North Carolina. How does your candidate stack up? Rasmussen conducted a poll and asked who’s views are closer to your own, Obama or Palin...results - Palin 52% — Obama 40% — all before Obama’s polls tanked.

Tell us who you support so everyone can judge for themselves.


213 posted on 09/18/2011 7:22:22 PM PDT by OwatonnaNative
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To: magritte
Why don't you rehab your Candidate? This Country is Majority against illegal Aliens destroying our country in any number of ways. We want a President that is not for Sale and that will get rid of the Cronyism,not one that Majors in it. God,he could be the standard by which all the other pay to play Politicians strive to be like. YUK!
214 posted on 09/18/2011 7:24:54 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. candidate for America the Beautiful...)
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To: OwatonnaNative

“Now, if you want to tell me where you disagree with any policy publicly supported by Palin, I and most of her supporters would be happy to engage in that debate. “

So let’s see her debate.
Let her defend her support of TARP, a path to citizenship for illegals, a carbon cap, higher taxes on oil companies, feminist policies such as Title IX, etc.


215 posted on 09/18/2011 7:27:40 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: normy

>> “You people have lost all sense of decorum and I have no idea how you plan to woo Perry supporters to your side.” <<

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There aren’t enough of them to matter, and most of them are just regular people that haven’t done any reading yet.


216 posted on 09/18/2011 7:28:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: ari-freedom

Tell me who you support and I will gladly compare them to Palin on all of the issues you raised.


217 posted on 09/18/2011 7:31:44 PM PDT by OwatonnaNative
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To: DJ MacWoW

"I should probably tell you that I'm considered part of the "Sarah cult". :-)"

Sheezam, I didn't know that. Can I join.

Oh that right I already have. :)

WITH A SERVANT’S HEART


218 posted on 09/18/2011 7:35:05 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin:"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative; SamAdams76; rabscuttle385; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Impy; ...
RE:"How in the hell did Tina Fey have influence over the electorate."

Tina Fey came up with a crazy idea way back in October 2008. Way back then who would-a-thought......

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219 posted on 09/18/2011 7:36:05 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Over-taxed means 'paying too much in taxes', not zero taxes)
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To: ari-freedom; OwatonnaNative

>> “Let her defend her support of TARP, a path to citizenship for illegals, a carbon cap, higher taxes on oil companies, feminist policies such as Title IX, etc” <<

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Mostly McCain’s policies that she was signed on to support.

Normal (non troll) voters will understand that quite well.

There won’t be any desire for the chaff to debate Palin.


220 posted on 09/18/2011 7:37:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: OwatonnaNative
The Reagan analogy comes from Palin’s policy beliefs.

But that is not the analogy people always want to make. They want to argue that because Reagan was able to wait until November to declare, that Sarah can do so also. Or argue that because Reagan was far behind at one point, that Sarah's poll numbers don't matter. Those are not relevant analogies for a number of reasons, all of which have been explained repeatedly on this forum.

Well, the latest PPP poll has Obama at 47 percent against Palin and 46 percent against Perry - not a big difference.

Would you care to link to that poll? I checked the PPP website, and the last national poll of Obama against the GOP field did not include Palin at all.

221 posted on 09/18/2011 7:41:27 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: OwatonnaNative

“Tell me who you support and I will gladly compare them to Palin on all of the issues you raised.”

I support Perry because he’s actually running for president. I’d support the average freeper over Perry, except for the fact that like Palin, there’s no indication that any of them are running.


222 posted on 09/18/2011 7:42:35 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Mostly McCain’s policies that she was signed on to support.”

You’re overlooking the fact that she defended some of them in the books she wrote after the 2008 election.


223 posted on 09/18/2011 7:44:29 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: OwatonnaNative
Reagan was clearly the weakest opponent when measured against Carter...

That is irrelevant to vanity posted here and my argument. You don't get to go head to head with the sitting President unless you win the nomination. Reagan was the frontrunner all through the Primaries. Palin is nowhere near that from any polling I see. She is going to have to make up a lot of ground if she jumps in. It also took Reagan 2 tries to get there. '68 and '76 before he made it in '80.

224 posted on 09/18/2011 7:48:41 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ari-freedom; OwatonnaNative
Let her defend her support of TARP,

Palin On the Issues

The Obama administration's mammoth $787 billion stimulus package is a good example of this tactic of bribing the states to surrender their rights. As governor of Alaska, I angered a lot of state bureaucrats and their allies in Juneau when I turned down a chunk of the federal money slated for Alaska in Obama's stimulus bill. I accepted the money that would go to create construction projects and provide needed medical care to the disadvantaged, but I said, "no, thank you" to dollars that had fat federal strings attached to them.

a path to citizenship for illegals

Palin Supports Arizona Immigration Law

a carbon cap,

Palin flips on her support of cap-and-trade Politifact

Clearly, Palin is no fan of cap-and-trade.

higher taxes on oil companies

What pundits should be talking about when it comes to Palin

Palin tossed out the corruption-ridden, structurally-flawed Petroleum Profits Tax of the Murkowski administration and put forth ACES (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share), which incentivized development while seeing to it that Alaskans — resource owners as per the Alaska Constitution — would receive “A CLEAR and EQUITABLE SHARE (ACES) of the value of their commonly-owned oil and gas.” The result? Alaska was left with a $12 billion surplus. Also, as reported at Big Government, “The number of oil companies filing with the Alaska Department of Revenue has doubled, indicating that competition has indeed increased. Alaska has the second most business friendly tax set-up — up two spots since the passage of ACES. Additionally, a report from Governor Parnell’s Department of Revenue indicated that 2009 yielded a record high in oil jobs.”

feminist policies such as Title IX, etc.

Sarah Palin On The Issues

It surprises some people to hear that I consider myself a feminist. I believe both women and men have God-given rights that haven't always been honored by our country's politicians. I believe women and men have important differences, but those differences don't include the ability of women to work just as hard as men (if not harder) and to be just as effective as men (if not more so). I also consider myself a grateful beneficiary of the movement for female equality, particularly Title IX, the federal law that mandates equal opportunity for women in high school and college sports. So I proudly call myself a conservative feminist. One question liberal feminists would do well to ask themselves is why most American women today reject the label "feminist."

225 posted on 09/18/2011 7:55:54 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Clyde5445

Hee hee hee!!!


226 posted on 09/18/2011 7:56:46 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: ari-freedom

There’s only one real Palin. The Palin confusing you is in fact Tina Fey. This is the version of Sarah Palin created by the media.

My advice to you: look to reality, and away from fantasy.


227 posted on 09/18/2011 8:05:05 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Governor Palin: "I'm not for sale." It's true. Watch The Undefeated.)
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To: CA Conservative
*Using old CA conserv. argument* Since you're so into the destiny of polls, now that Perry has fallen to 36% in the latest poll against Obama, you obviously think he needs to leave the race now, right?

It's clear he can't win, not only that, the trajectory is down, way down, so he should just stop his run before he embarrasses himself........

228 posted on 09/18/2011 8:12:39 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: freespirited
She lost a fair amount of support when she left the governorship in the middle of her term.

She only lost the support of mindless ignoramuses by resigning. Unfortunately, 2008 proved that mindless ignoramuses comprise about 52% of the electorate.

229 posted on 09/18/2011 8:20:18 PM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: grey_whiskers; All

The Reagan Report

MICHAEL REAGAN STATEMENT: Gov. Rick Perry is the “Most Reaganesque” of all potential candidates

http://www.reagan.com/news/?the-dark-horse-who-could-win-it-all-the-most-reaganesque-566.html


230 posted on 09/18/2011 8:20:39 PM PDT by potlatch (Two Eyes, Two Ears, One Mouth - Use Them Proportionately)
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To: potlatch
Poor guy must need money.

Perry seems to be buying a lot of "support" lately. Just another reason I don't trust Mr. Rick.

Cheers!

231 posted on 09/18/2011 8:24:18 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Nah, I like it here. Thanks for the thought though.


232 posted on 09/18/2011 8:25:32 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

Right, but they apply that stereotype to most any conservative. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to get back to my cave.


233 posted on 09/18/2011 8:26:14 PM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: samantha

I love your use of Capital letters. It Makes posting Fun!

My candidate is doing just fine. He has a long record and done lots of things, so he’s made some mistakes. That’s the peril of playing full-time in the big leagues, you have to actually do stuff, not just post about it on Facebook.


234 posted on 09/18/2011 8:31:32 PM PDT by magritte
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To: JaguarXKE

As long as yer cave is FR accessible like mine, have a great week.


235 posted on 09/18/2011 8:34:45 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte
My candidate is doing just fine. He has a long record and done lots of things, so he’s made some mistakes

He's an open border/amnesty/LaRaza squish, his pay to play the Texas way is deeply disturbing, and his Gardisil EO shows his nanny state tendencies.

Mistakes? Meh. I'd say it's just who he is, a deeply flawed RINO, W redux, we don't need another dream act president with an R behind his name.

236 posted on 09/18/2011 8:36:08 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Rick Perry is too southern anyways. I can’t stand the guy and I hope she keeps trying to derail him.

She's already going after Perry in what will prove to be his most vulnerable area. With the Solyndra and LightSquared pay-to-play scandals blowing up on Obama, Perry is up to his next in pay-to-play shenanigans that stink to high heaven: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2011/09/06/perrys-new-jobs-how-many-are-pork-for-contributors/

Palin started hammering the "crony capitalism" charge in her Iowa speech, and is likely to ramp up the discussion of these issues if she throws her hat in the ring.

237 posted on 09/18/2011 8:36:52 PM PDT by Spartan79 (I view great cities as phttp://www.festilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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To: Lakeshark

Who’s your candidate ?


238 posted on 09/18/2011 9:01:10 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte
What you love is going on Palin threads and showing your disrespect for a decent woman, and your hang dog,mind numbing adoration for someone that is for sale.

You are part of the problem, and I wonder if you could stand up to the horrible onslaught from the filth of society against you and your family,especially your Baby. You could not because you show so little decency for a brave woman. You cannot walk back your bad behavior and comments. I would vote for anyone but your less than stellar candidate. He was not even man enough to stick up for SP after she saved his butt from defeat at the hands of KB Hutchison.

239 posted on 09/18/2011 9:08:43 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah is our TEAple. candidate for America the Beautiful...)
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To: magritte
Who is my candidate? Not Rick Perry that's for sure.

Can you defend his record about illegals? Can you defend him going to LaRaza and pandering to them? Can you defend his pay to play the Texas way problems?

Go ahead, make our day.........

240 posted on 09/18/2011 9:14:57 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

Actually, the only poll I have seen near that is Rasmussen, but Perry was at 39%, Obama at 46%. Now while that is still barely outside the margin of error, that is a drop from the previous Rasmussen poll, and if other polls start showing a similar result, then that does portend problems. However, at least Perry has shown the ability to match up well against Obama in the past - something Sarah has yet to show. So the poll you reference is definitely a red flag that should be watched, but I’m afraid that Perry is still miles more electable than Sarah.


241 posted on 09/18/2011 9:16:30 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Polybius
To be fair, Alaska is actually the only state that has anything approaching a true "loser pays" system. Rule 82 of the Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure allows a percentage of attorneys fees to be recovered by the prevailing party, with some exceptions.

Of course, this rule does not apply to ethics complaints filed with the Attorney General, which is what Palin was dealing with. That procedure does however allow government officials to have their attorney fees reimbursed by the state when they are exonerated and when certain other conditions are met.

Texas, on the other hand, has no real loser pays system. In fact, it is probably one of the most generous states in the union for awarding attorney fees to prevailing plaintiffs - plaintiffs in virtually any contract, debt, or consumer case can recover attorney's fees along with damages. Prevailing defendants, on the other hand, can almost never recover attorney fees except in certain specific procedural circumstances (such as when a plaintiff fails to file a sufficient expert report as required under the med mal reform statutes) or if the plaintiff files a frivolous pleading.

The supposed "loser pays" system enacted by the Texas legislature this year really isn't anything like a true "English rule" loser pays system. All they did was direct the Texas Supreme Court to amend the Rules of Civil Procedure to allow the defendant to file a motion to dismiss the case without the need for hearing evidence if, based on the pleadings, the case has "no basis in law or fact". The prevailing party on this motion is to be awarded whatever reasonable attorney fees he has incurred to that point.

That means that if the plaintiff's case survives the motion to dismiss, the defendant has to pay the plaintiff's attorney's fees in getting past that motion. The plaintiff only has to pay attorney fees if his case is dismissed under that rule. He doesn't have to pay if he loses later, such as in summary judgment or at trial.

Furthermore, we have no idea yet exactly how the rule will work procedurally or what the exact standard will be. The statute that was ultimately passed by the legislature is pretty vague and gives the Supreme Court a lot of latitude in figuring out. All we know is that it will have to be ruled on within 45 days and without hearing evidence. Also, the statute gives the Supreme Court no time frame in which it has to promulgate the new rules.

Sorry to get long-winded, but as a Texas lawyer I don't want anyone to have any misconceptions about the existence of "loser pays" in Texas. Other than Texas's med mal reform (which is certainly a big deal), Texas is still a fairly plaintiff-friendly state.
242 posted on 09/18/2011 9:19:44 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: CA Conservative
So the poll you reference is definitely a red flag that should be watched, but I’m afraid that Perry is still miles more electable than Sarah.

You mean this poll?


243 posted on 09/18/2011 9:21:05 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: CA Conservative
So the poll you reference is definitely a red flag that should be watched

No, no, it's a trend, not a red flag. The more people see him, the more they learn about his record, the more they're going to dislike him, and the further down he will drop in the polls. I mean, you're the one who says polls show it all, right?

Shooting a coyote may play big for the PerryKrishnas, but it's not going to help when people learn he's a big government RINO campaigning as a conservative.

244 posted on 09/18/2011 9:23:04 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Niteflyr

You do realize that is an Internet poll, right?


245 posted on 09/18/2011 9:24:23 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CA Conservative
You do realize that is an Internet poll, right?

Yes I do...:oP

246 posted on 09/18/2011 9:25:15 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: Lakeshark
No, no, it's a trend, not a red flag.

Sorry, by definition, a single poll cannot be a "trend".

247 posted on 09/18/2011 9:26:48 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Lakeshark
but it's not going to help when people learn he's a big government RINO campaigning as a conservative.

Unless Perry supporters can keep the truth from getting out....

248 posted on 09/18/2011 9:27:34 PM PDT by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: CA Conservative
Obviously.

You yourself alluded to his drop from previous polls........

It's called a trend.

249 posted on 09/18/2011 9:28:53 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: samantha

Show disrespect? This whole thread was about Palins unfavorables, which are real and overwhelming. The guy who posted if thinks they are easily overcome, but I beg to differ.

I’ll admit, you’ve got the Palin victim and anti-Perry talking points down pretty well. Congrats !


250 posted on 09/18/2011 9:31:56 PM PDT by magritte
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