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Astronomers Find Largest, Oldest Mass of Water in Universe
Space.com ^ | 7/22/11

Posted on 07/22/2011 8:44:00 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

Astronomers have discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the universe — a gigantic, 12-billion-year-old cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined.

The cloud of water vapor surrounds a supermassive black hole called a quasar located 12 billion light-years from Earth. The discovery shows that water has been prevalent in the universe for nearly its entire existence, researchers said.

"Because the light we are seeing left this quasar more than 12 billion years ago, we are seeing water that was present only some 1.6 billion years after the beginning of the universe," said study co-author Alberto Bolatto, of the University of Maryland, in a statement. "This discovery pushes the detection of water one billion years closer to the Big Bang than any previous find."

Quasars are the most luminous, most powerful and most energetic objects in the universe. They are powered by enormous black holes that suck in surrounding gas and dust and spew out huge amounts of energy.

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The astronomers used two different telescopes, one in Hawaii and one in California, to detect and confirm the water vapor surrounding the quasar.

Scientists think water vapor was present even in the early universe. So finding this old cloud of the stuff doesn't come as a shock.

"It's another demonstration that water is pervasive throughout the universe, even at the very earliest times," said study lead author Matt Bradford of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

However, the sheer size of the vapor cloud may surprise some scientists. APM 08279+5255 contains 4,000 times more water vapor than our own Milky Way galaxy, researchers said. That may be because much of the Milky Way's water is locked up in ice rather than vapor.

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomers; blackhole; haltonarp; largest; mass; oldest; pullmyfinger; quasars; universe; water; xplanets

This artist's concept illustrates a quasar, or feeding black hole, similar to APM 08279+5255, where astronomers discovered huge amounts of water vapor. Gas and dust likely form a torus around the central black hole, with clouds of charged gas above and below.
NASA/ESA


1 posted on 07/22/2011 8:44:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

12 billion years ago, that quasar sucked in the water like a fat kid sucking the last of his milkshake through a straw.


2 posted on 07/22/2011 8:51:03 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: SunkenCiv

Of interest??


3 posted on 07/22/2011 8:51:10 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: NormsRevenge

As an astronomy buff (see screen name) it’s nice to see astronomical numbers like 140 trillion.

Our national debt is greater than 10% of that number.

And that’s a staggering amount of dihydrogen monoxide.


4 posted on 07/22/2011 8:52:39 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Now if only we could reach it and then bottle it. Eat your heart out Fiji water!


5 posted on 07/22/2011 8:53:09 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s water broke and a new black hole will soon be born?


6 posted on 07/22/2011 8:53:32 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Need a new tagline - Bucs are awesome this year)
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To: KevinDavis

PING


7 posted on 07/22/2011 8:55:43 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Because the light we are seeing left this quasar more than 12 billion years ago, we are seeing water that was present only some 1.6 billion years after the beginning of the universe..."

The Beginning

Genesis 1:1-2

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

8 posted on 07/22/2011 9:00:37 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: NormsRevenge

No surprise, Hydrogen and Oxygen just elements floating around the entire universe. I’m sure there will be more elements added in the far future which we mortals will not be around to see. There has to also be life out there, we are not alone, and our mind set is not what it was over 2000 years ago. Discoveries await us. Remember “We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future.”. :o) (I had to put that in.)


9 posted on 07/22/2011 9:02:28 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fight with smear, Conservatives fight with truth. Palin & West team are 2012's dream)
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To: NormsRevenge

If you look closely, you can see the Silver Surfer.


10 posted on 07/22/2011 9:05:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: NormsRevenge
Astronomers Find Largest, Oldest Mass of Water in Universe

...in the first diaper of Helen Thomas?

11 posted on 07/22/2011 9:07:51 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

More than anything, I look forward to the day when we discover a planet that looks just like Alfred E. Newman’s head. It’s a certainty that it’s out there.


12 posted on 07/22/2011 9:08:01 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Well sir, I must ask then shouldn’t there be whole assortment of nebula full with alcohol then?


13 posted on 07/22/2011 9:10:55 PM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: Deaf Smith

LOL!!


14 posted on 07/22/2011 9:11:02 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Yardstick

Isn’t finding a planet that looks like Helen Thomas’s head a sign of the Apocalypse?


15 posted on 07/22/2011 9:20:24 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Islam...Imperialism in a turban.)
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To: quantim
And that’s a staggering amount of dihydrogen monoxide.

Please don't use such language. The left will think it is something that can be taxed.

16 posted on 07/22/2011 9:20:24 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: NormsRevenge
11In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
17 posted on 07/22/2011 9:21:10 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: NormsRevenge
Astronomers Find Largest, Oldest Mass of Water in Universe

Our friend here discovered it, too.

18 posted on 07/22/2011 9:22:58 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: NormsRevenge
Astronomers have discovered the largest and oldest mass of water ever detected in the universe — a gigantic, 12-billion-year-old cloud harboring 140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined.

The cloud of water vapor surrounds a supermassive black hole called a quasar located 12 billion light-years from Earth. The discovery shows that water has been prevalent in the universe for nearly its entire existence, researchers said.

You should be aware of the fact that the interpretation of quasar redshift as distance has been substantially debunked, resulting in a picture of quasars as proto-galaxies which are often attached directly to other galaxies with substantially lower redshift values, leading to the conclusion that many if not most of the redshift values you see in cosmic objects is inherent and not related to distance or expansion.

The other conclusion which is clear is that quasars are very much closer to us than the old interpretation indicated.

19 posted on 07/22/2011 9:27:29 PM PDT by redroller
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To: mlocher
Dihydrogen oxide is a (gasp) greenhouse gas! No wonder quasars are so hot. We must get together with the UN and regulate dihydrogen oxide immediately, or we will burn up and be sucked into a black hole.

I expect a Nobel Peace Prize for this insight, but right now I need to rush off and found a bunch of hydrogen credit enterprises.

20 posted on 07/22/2011 9:34:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: quantim

Brilliant reply; brilliant tag line. I shall be following you.


21 posted on 07/22/2011 9:43:02 PM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (This tagline has been formatted to fit the screen. Some content has been edited.)
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To: Eyes Unclouded
Well sir, I must ask then shouldn’t there be whole assortment of nebula full with alcohol then?

(1)Nebula is an ambiguous term referring to newly discovered objects which we don't understand.

(2) There is no reason there cannot be nebula full with alcohol. The Milky Way has a chocolate center. So say scientists who have yet to explain how they can find chocolate in a black hole.

22 posted on 07/22/2011 9:46:41 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Raycpa
"...and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

I'll do you one better. In Genesis 1:2, we know that the earth was formless and void and covered in water. On the fourth day, God created the heavenly objects. The take away from this is that the Earth is the oldest thing in the Universe (by only four days) so the oldest water in the Universe is what I'm drinking right now.

23 posted on 07/22/2011 9:48:39 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: ResponseAbility
Isn’t finding a planet that looks like Helen Thomas’s head a sign of the Apocalypse?

I don't have the verse in front of me but yes I believe that is correct ;)

And of course it is inevitable that we will find a Helen Thomas planet someday. Simple probability says there must be one out there. If something as complex as life can exist somewhere else in the cosmos, then it is a given that a planet shaped like Helen Thomas's head is out there. And Alfred E. Newman's. And the entire cast of Gilligan's Island for that matter.

24 posted on 07/22/2011 10:01:27 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
"I look forward to the day when we discover a planet that looks just like Alfred E. Newman’s head." Well, till then...
25 posted on 07/22/2011 10:08:36 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: LittleBillyInfidel

Blushing....why thank you!

Google “Vacation Gal” in case you missed it.

;-)


26 posted on 07/22/2011 10:10:37 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: NormsRevenge

There is no way to detect water from that distance. These astronomers are all wet.


27 posted on 07/22/2011 10:18:40 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: NormsRevenge

Thanks for posting


28 posted on 07/22/2011 10:24:46 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (Those who forget history, are doomed to repeat it !)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL - “artists concept” - this is what passes for “science” amongst the lefties, public schools and duhscovery channel.


29 posted on 07/22/2011 10:53:35 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: NormsRevenge
140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined.

Michael Moore, your bath is ready...

30 posted on 07/22/2011 10:55:17 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: NormsRevenge

12 billion years old. Should make any sapient being reading this pause. Probably wont.


31 posted on 07/22/2011 10:56:15 PM PDT by allmost
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To: allmost

If sapient beings aren’t interested in it why would anyone else be?


32 posted on 07/22/2011 11:34:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Might not have been totally clear... the paradigm question as to interpreting redshift for cosmic objects would cause a huge difference in the size of this water field you refer to. Given the newer interpretation the field would not be anywhere near as large.


33 posted on 07/22/2011 11:56:48 PM PDT by redroller
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To: TigersEye

;)


34 posted on 07/23/2011 12:06:19 AM PDT by allmost
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To: Yardstick

Just for the record, I’d rather live on Mary Anne than Ginger.


35 posted on 07/23/2011 12:56:27 AM PDT by ResponseAbility (Islam...Imperialism in a turban.)
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To: redroller
You should be aware of the fact that the interpretation of quasar redshift as distance has been substantially debunked

Ever heard of the Lyman Alpha Forest?

Lyman Alpha Forest

There are clouds of gas between distant quasars and the Earth that absorb ultraviolet light at the wavelength of the Lyman alpha line of hydrogen at a wavelength of 122 nm. Quasars also emit a strong Lyman alpha emission line. But the absorbing clouds all have smaller redshifts than the quasar since they have smaller distances. As a result the absorption lines are all on the blue or shorter wavelength side of the quasar emission line.


The cartoon above shows a quasar with its Lyman alpha emission line redshifted from the ultraviolet into the red, and the Lyman alpha absorption lines from four intervening clouds appearing as orange, yellow and green-blue.

The figure below shows two actual quasar spectra. One is the nearby quasar 3C273 while the other is a large redshift object. This figure was adapted from Bill Keel's web site.


The clouds that produce the absorption lines are much more numerous at high redshifts so a very dense array of absorption lines results: the "forest".

We know that there are a small number of very big clumps of hydrogen in the distant Universe: the galaxies. We also know that smaller galaxies, the dwarf galaxies, are very much more common. Most of the clouds in the Lyman alpha forest are much less massive than dwarf galaxies and these small clouds are much more numerous. We can only see these very low mass clouds by the absorption they produce in the strongest line of the most abundant element: Lyman alpha. Thus by studying the Lyman alpha forest we can learn about the density fluctuations in the Universe on the smallest observable scales.

Note that if Arp were correct and quasars had a redshift much larger than the redshift due to their distance, then there should be a gap on the blue side of the Lyman alpha emission line before the absorption lines began. Such gaps are not seen. So if Arp were correct the Lyman alpha forest would have to be an intrinsic property of the quasar, which would be a very unlikely situation. Distant galaxies are seen which also show the Lyman alpha forest, so we know that the intervening clouds do exist. For Arp to be correct the intrinsic absorption lines would have to act exactly like the intervening clouds would act under the standard hypothesis that the quasar redshift is entirely cosmological.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/Lyman-alpha-forest.html


36 posted on 07/23/2011 4:37:19 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NormsRevenge

The universal toilet has been flushed. The question is: are we headed into the septic tank, or are we already there?


37 posted on 07/23/2011 5:14:31 AM PDT by LRS ("This is silly! It can't be! It can't be!!" "Oh yes it is! I said you wouldn't know the joint.")
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To: ETL
Ever heard of the Lyman Alpha Forest?

Yeah; it's a bunch of BS, and basically amounts to people who ought to know better trying to defend a dead theory by grasping at straws.

This is the thing which killed the "Lyman Alpha Forest idea:

NGC7603

38 posted on 07/23/2011 6:15:54 AM PDT by redroller
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To: NormsRevenge

I always enjoy these posts.


39 posted on 07/23/2011 6:41:02 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Yes indeed! God is awesome! Thank you, Father, for creating this universe.


40 posted on 07/23/2011 6:51:52 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: redroller

What the heck is that? How does it disprove anything? Can you at least link to the looney website where you found it?


41 posted on 07/23/2011 7:38:18 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; KevinDavis; annie laurie; Knitting A Conundrum; Viking2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ..

Thanks ButThreeLeftsDo.
140 trillion times more water than all of Earth's oceans combined
As Jeff Bridges sez in "The Fabulous Baker Boys", "lotta water".

 
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42 posted on 07/23/2011 8:45:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ETL

If you don’t know what ngc7603 is, you’re not in any sort of a position to be lecturing anybody on lyman forests...


43 posted on 07/23/2011 11:46:09 AM PDT by redroller
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To: redroller

Welcome to FR.


44 posted on 07/23/2011 4:42:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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