Posted on 06/15/2011 2:04:37 AM PDT by LibWhacker
Is anyone up for some Interstellar waterboarding?
Seriously, though, I know it’s essential for life and all, but Scientists get all wet when talking about water in space for some reason.
These stars are so going to hear from the HOA.
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Maybe they eject the water only twice a week: Tuesdays and Fridays if their stellar catalogue number is even......
I don’t know where to start...
They can’t even tell if PLUTO is a real planet or not, but they can peer at THIS thing, FIFTY light years away, THROUGH clouds that surround it to tell us that it’s spewing water.. okay..not exactly water.. “telltale light signatures of hydrogen and oxygen atoms”
Come on, it’s a STAR. That means HOT. “temperatures are a few thousand degrees celsius..”
And water is produced out of such heat HOW???
It’s global climate change.
Where’s my grant money?
They can tell you all about Pluto's mass, shape, orbit and so forth. Whether it is a planet or not is a matter of definition and hence essentially arbitrary. It's a human classification category, nothing to do with the object itself.
If we wanted to, we could reclassify any sun-orbiting objects smaller than the earth as "non-planets" and Mercury, Venus and Mars would promptly drop out of the "planet" category.
BTW, I’m with you in general.
Scientists make the most remarkable statements based on amazingly little data.
Me either. Guess I'll start at the beginning.They can’t even tell if PLUTO is a real planet or not,
But that's a matter of definition, isn't it? They argued amongst themselves about what it means to be a planet and as a result of that shifting definition, Pluto lost out, that's all. That reclassification had nothing to do with something they couldn't tell about the planet.but they can peer at THIS thing, FIFTY light years away, THROUGH clouds that surround it
Actually, it's 750 light years away. Secondly, they are looking at things at infrared wavelengths. The clouds are transparent at those wavelengths, and what they are looking at doesn't require such fantastic resolution either; the jets shoot outward 5,000 A.U. in either direction.to tell us that it’s spewing water.. okay..not exactly water.. “telltale light signatures of hydrogen and oxygen atoms”
Come on, it’s a STAR. That means HOT. “temperatures are a few thousand degrees celsius..” And water is produced out of such heat HOW???
The article explains that as well. When that fast moving (i.e., hot) material hits the interstellar medium, it is slowed down (cooled) and condenses again into water. That's both a matter of well-established physical and chemical law, and can probably be observed directly through spectroscopy to boot.
Beat me to the punch, thanks.
I don’t get it, either. How could all that O2 and heat not result in the violent oxidation of everything? Not to mention H2...
Actually, the article contributes to a common misuse of language.
What we call “water” is really liquid water.
Water, like just about all other compounds and elements, is found in three phases: solid, liquid, gas; depending on temperature and pressure.
But ice, water vapor and liquid water are all three H2O, and are equally water.
Water vapor doesn’t condense into water, it already IS water. It just goes from the gas phase to the liquid phase.
Yes, correct. As soon as I clicked 'post," I was afraid somebody would call me on that, lol.
My understanding is that, as this material flows off the surface of the star, it's not water at all, but just the raw omponents of water, O2 and hydrogen, plus a lot of other things, of course. It is this material that condenses as it cools and water forms out of the condensate.
I don't know... the article mentions condensing, so I'm just trying to work that into my picture of things (while freely stressing that I'm not a scientist at all... my background is math first, physics second and, lastly -- way, way lastly -- chemistry), so if this isn't correct, please do correct me. I would never question an expert in a field in which I had no expertise whatsoever, but the science haters out there have no such qualms.
I have no idea what’s going on out there, and I suspect the scientists pontificating on the subject don’t either.
It is difficult to envision water, H2O, being present at “thousands of degrees” temperature, except possibly at some tremendously high pressure.
Possibly free oxygen and hydrogen atoms “condense into water” as the temperature and pressure drops on expulsion from the star, but I suspect this is using the term “condensation” loosely.
What you said was entirely understandable, I just run into this confusion with regard to water all the time in my line of work and find it a little annoying. :)
>> After tracing the paths of these atoms, the team concluded that water forms on the star, where temperatures are a few thousand degrees Celsius. But once the droplets... <<
The article is poorly written:
Gas droplets?
Or liquid droplets at “a few thousand degrees Celsius”?
>> After tracing the paths of these atoms, the team concluded that water forms on the star, where temperatures are a few thousand degrees Celsius. But once the droplets... <<
The article is poorly written:
Gas droplets?
Or liquid droplets at “a few thousand degrees Celsius”?
Also:
>> Once the hot gases hit the much cooler surrounding material—at about 5,000 times the distance from the sun to Earth—they decelerate, creating a shock front where the gases cool down rapidly, condense, and reform as water, Kristensen said. <<
Here, the author seems to refer to “liquid water” as “water.”
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