"Yeah... right!"
Posted on 04/03/2011 2:06:30 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
Wreckage from Air France jet found in Atlantic
Wreckage from an Air France jet lost over the Atlantic nearly two years ago with 288 people on board has been found, French investigators say.
With the cause of the crash still unknown, a fourth attempt to locate the plane's voice and data recorders got under way last month.
Searchers located wreckage during the past 24 hours, investigators in Paris said, without giving details.
Flight 447 from Rio de Janeiro to Paris came down in a storm on 1 June 2009.
A French judge recently filed preliminary manslaughter charges against Air France over the crash.
Airbus, the maker of the jet, says no one can know for sure how the crash occurred unless the so-called "black boxes" are found.
The search has been financed jointly by Air France and Airbus. It involves dives to depths of up to 4,000m (13,120ft) with the use of special robots to examine the ocean floor between Brazil and West Africa.
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...
1500 quatloos anyone?
Now we are going to hear Gaddafi did it so they can rush in the ground forces and kill him.
Officially, so far, the ‘findings’ blame the pilots and their training.
Essentially the pilots encountered atypical icing conditions after flying into bad tropical weather (thunderstorms) which caused the flight computers to “give up” flying the aircraft on autopilot.
When the crew took over, they APPARENTLY (deduced from telemetry) operated the controls in a manner that put the aircraft outside the controlled flight envelope, lost control of the aircraft, and the plane ‘flat spun’ onto the surface of the ocean like a frisbee. Forensics on bodies and aircraft structures recovered indicated ‘vertical compression’ which led investigators to conclude the pancake impact.
NOW ... if we have the FDRs we can work with more than a few cryptic telemetry signals and forensics.
Personally I think the pilots will NOT be exonerated, but, this was a situation they did not (apparently) adequately train on. Blame Air France. OTHER airbus aircraft and flight crews have emerged successfully on the other side of similar instrumentation/flight computer malfunctions.
Also, other aircraft with the old pitot tubes like this ship have had failures that the crew handled.
When fly by wire fails on cruise/autopilot, the crew has seconds to save the aircraft; apparently that did not happen.
**IF** real data can be retrieved, it’ll answer a LOT of questions and stop a lot of conjecture.
What is a “quatloo”?
I thought they already figured it out. Pitot tubes super-freezing up.
I'll bet the storm caused it.
A French judge recently filed preliminary manslaughter charges against Air France over the crash.
Is that common in France over accidents?
The monetary unit of Triskelion, commonly used in purchases and wagering.
Other flight crews have successfully dealt with failed pitot tube readings.
‘They’ believe this was the START of the crash. ‘They’ believe the flight crew did not properly address the situation. Again, other flight crews HAVE dealt with the pitot business successfully.
NOW we’ll get more data, hopefully.
Right. Being an Airbus caused it to crash. Which is why every flight ever operated with Airbus equipment has crashed.
OK, thanks.
You might explain to him that Quatloos comes from the original Star Trek series, that could prove to be helpful.
They have trial lawyers just like we do.......
"Yeah... right!"
Do some reading and look at their safety record of late.
Wow, a flat spin from 30k, what a horrible way to go for the passengers, unless the g forces caused them to pass out.
Star Trek TOS, "The Gamesters of Triskelion".
BS. The most likely cause is that the pilot hit the q-corner and lost control.
If you look at the history of crashes most of involve Boesing jets and pilot error.
Yes, but what, exactly, is a quatloo? What defines it? *Helicopter Ben starts to squirm in his seat*
Latinum is "real" money.
What percentage of flights operated with Airbus equipment end experience fatal accidents?
A quatloo is a monetary unit on the planet Triskelion which was used by the planet’s Providers to bet on drill thrall competitions. (Star Trek Original Series: “The Gamesters of Triskelion”)
Wow, as a teenager watching Star Trek reruns this was my dream girl! Way hot. glad they finally found the Air France flight, watched the Nova special on this so should be interesting to see if they were correct in their assessment.
Ha! Just as I thought. All non-latimun-backed quatloos eventually go the way of Zimbabwe.
That was a very informative post. Thanks.
Thanks for the info. Much appreciated.
It wasn’t atypical. There is a record of Airbus pitot tubes freezing up and flight system crashes. 20 plus. There was a program in place that was replacing them.
Huh???
“It involves dives to depths of up to 4,000m (13,120ft) with the use of special robots to examine the ocean floor between Brazil and West Africa.”
It’s that nice they narrowed down the search area so much.
I’ll stick to Federation credits.
Mandatory carpet matches drapes inquiry?
It’s pretty astonishing that they located this wreckage given the area they were searching. Hopefully they can find the black box.
Where a Brit goes to take a quat
So, basically, not a real “pilot error” situation.
Don't have off-hand John Cox's video link on this. John Cox described in detail on Discovery or NOVA, can't recall, the most logical sequence of events and simple pilot error was not a factor.
Wrong input by the jet matched by correct pilot input based upon best (wrong) available input, does not equal pilot error.
Because Boeing is flying the most jets.
Airbus has system failures that can cause a crash, that can prohibit pilot control to save a jet. So, Airbus fly-by-wire is another link in the mishap chain that Boeing does not have.
I get the Star Trek reference. Tell me though, how does it apply here ?
What a business model. Let's be completely careless and not only neglect to maintain a 100 million dollar plane, and kill our customers and employees. Oh, and let's control the weather, too.
I have no idea... I was just curious as to why they’re charging the airline with manslaughter when they also say they don’t know the cause of the crash. I must be missing something.
Gotta disagree only because other crews handled similar failures successfully. Perhaps unfair to call it error, but this Airbus crew did not no execute what others did ... BUT we don’t know that. It is only inferred forensically.
I saw the Nova report and came away from that with the impression that the crew did not retain control of the plane when they could/should have, and others have.
I never fly over 150 KIAS or over 10000’ ASL so I can’t criticize. I would just really like to know what happened.
Both the icing conditions and the failure of heated pitots were not what pilots encounter on a daily basis. Thus atypical.
Rare occurrences = atypical.
The pitot issue DID happen too many times and thus the AD to replace them.
Btw, I did watch the Nova video. We don’t *know* what happened so keep in mind they may have indeed flown into the Q-corner.
I hope the wreckage speaks volumes.
I understand your point.
We shall see if more facts come out. . .
More info on the discovery here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8425600/Air-France-plane-wreckage-found.html
A bet as to who downed it...
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