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The Big Bang Never Happened
YouTube ^ | 6/9/09 | Randall Meyers

Posted on 03/07/2011 1:44:47 PM PST by wendy1946

In nine parts on YouTube

Part 1

Part 2

Part 3

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9


A spectacular exposition featuring heavyweights in astronomy, mathematics, plasma physics, cosmology etc. including Halton Arp, Tony Peratt, Eric Lerner, Fred Hoyle and a number of others, and yet comprehensible to the educated layman. The "big bang" which we've heard about all our lives turns out to be junk physics.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Religion; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; bigbang; bob152; cosmology; johnnywaddholmes; ronjeremy; stringtheory
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1 posted on 03/07/2011 1:44:50 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

2 posted on 03/07/2011 1:47:12 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: mamelukesabre; Trillian; agrace; 1010RD; calex59; TheOldLady; killermosquito; AdmSmith; ...

Ping/fyi


3 posted on 03/07/2011 1:48:00 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

BUMP...


4 posted on 03/07/2011 1:49:53 PM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: wendy1946

Zzzzzzz..


5 posted on 03/07/2011 1:50:07 PM PST by BobSimons
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To: wendy1946
The Big Bang Never Happened

That's simply not true. I watch it every Thursday night at 8.

6 posted on 03/07/2011 1:54:13 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Hey D. C., tax increases are not spending cuts. Nor do tax cuts constitute increased spending.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Sounds like you ought to be on my little ping list...

The thing which is really ridiculous is that a certain number of Christians apparently including at least one pope, no sooner hear about the "big bang" idea then they think to themselves "Gee, that's GREAT! Another creation story, just a little matter of about (17,000,000,000 - 6000) years difference from ours, we ought to be able to come up with some sort of a fudge factor!!"

The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.

Likewise for a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent God to suddenly figure out it would be a cool thing to do to create a universe (6000 years ago or 17,000,000,000, doesn't matter) while the idea had never occurred to him previously, is basically idiotic. Big Bang is bad physics and bad theology rolled up into a package.

What the evidence seems to suggest is that the universe is basically eternal, like God, and that the creation stories we read in ancient literature refer to the creation of our own system and local environment, and not to the entire universe. Our LIVING world, at least in its present conformation, does in fact appear to be ballpark for some sort of a 6000 - 10000 year age; the planet viewed as a collection of rocks is older than that.

7 posted on 03/07/2011 1:57:02 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: tnlibertarian

This video is better than the tv show.


8 posted on 03/07/2011 1:58:35 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946
I strongly recommend Eric Lerner's The Big Bang Never Happened. It's written on a Scientific American level (but decidedly not from their usual perspective!) so I would imagine that most who are interested in this topic wouldn't have difficulty understanding it. Check the reviews at Amazon to see if this book is for you.

ML/NJ

9 posted on 03/07/2011 1:59:03 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: wendy1946
If matter can not create itself into existence,and we know that it can't, then those who do not believe in a creator would like to deny the Big Bang. To me these idiots are as bad as the Holocaust deniers. The proof is there for both.
10 posted on 03/07/2011 1:59:21 PM PST by fish hawk (R. Emmett Tyrrell: Liberalism is dead. What we see now is "soft Nazis-ism".)
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To: wendy1946

bfl


11 posted on 03/07/2011 1:59:52 PM PST by fightinJAG (TAXPAYERS OF THE WORLD UNITE)
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To: wendy1946

Perhaps. What exactly is your ping list about? And is it a high or low volume ping list?


12 posted on 03/07/2011 2:00:26 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: wendy1946

Interesting theory, and intriguing as well.

There are a couple of problems, such as the impossibility of a concrete but infinite number of “moments” prior to now,
and the problem of “fitting” Gen 1:16 (” He also made the stars.”) into the theory.

But it was an intriguing thought nonetheless.


13 posted on 03/07/2011 2:01:51 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: wendy1946

The problem is that people do not know their history!

The big bang theory was proposed by a priest.

Georges LeMaitre - other wise known as the House. :)


14 posted on 03/07/2011 2:02:04 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: wendy1946
The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.

The Law of Conservation of Energy might be worth skimming over. Slightly poetic that a single fermoin can be created from two photons. Matter from light? In a beginning moment of the cosmos as we know it? Sounds like something I've heard before...
15 posted on 03/07/2011 2:05:26 PM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: tnlibertarian

Well I guess somebody ought to tell Paris Hilton to stop looking for it.


16 posted on 03/07/2011 2:07:25 PM PST by dblshot (Insanity - electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: wendy1946

12,000 years ~ current standard for cutting stone BTW.


17 posted on 03/07/2011 2:09:15 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: wendy1946

pfl


18 posted on 03/07/2011 2:09:31 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: ml/nj

This video features several interviews with Lerner.


19 posted on 03/07/2011 2:11:06 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Low volumn, mostly about evolution, Intelligent Design and the like.


20 posted on 03/07/2011 2:13:17 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: ConjunctionJunction

bfl/pfl?? Culture gap or something...


21 posted on 03/07/2011 2:16:13 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

back for later/ping for later

Sorry!


22 posted on 03/07/2011 2:18:59 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: tnlibertarian

See, it is still all relative because....

In the central time zone it is on at 7:00.


23 posted on 03/07/2011 2:25:52 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: wendy1946

I’m not sure including Eric Lerner and his “infinitely old universe” theory, fits your agenda.

I would like to see someone correlate the observational evidence for the theorists. Maybe Arp can get some movement.

His explanation of the cosmic microwave background being created by a “cosmic fireball” is pretty weak. You’d think in 10 years he would’ve come up with something better.


24 posted on 03/07/2011 2:29:35 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Cosmic Background isn’t any sort of a major thing in Arp’s work. He’s noted for discovering pairs of things, typically galaxies and quasars, which radically differing redshifts and yet which are very clearly joined together and are part and parcel of the same things, i.e. he’s known for destroying the idea of interpreting cosmic redshift as recession velocity and hence also as distance.


25 posted on 03/07/2011 2:36:10 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Swordmaker

fyi


26 posted on 03/07/2011 2:37:12 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

well, that dating certainly comports with the hard facts of human recorded history as we know it...yes there is a whole industry of “prehistory” but really, it all gets pretty fuzzy (understatement) about 4,000 BC. About 4,000 BC it seems like all of a sudden, we can start to see what is happening out there in the world, from a historical perspective, in terms of human action.


27 posted on 03/07/2011 2:37:50 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: KC Burke
See, it is still all relative Ah, responding to one theory joke with another. Very nice. Yes, I should have said 8 Eastern and Specific. (If I may make another TV show reference)
28 posted on 03/07/2011 2:42:48 PM PST by tnlibertarian (Hey D. C., tax increases are not spending cuts. Nor do tax cuts constitute increased spending.)
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To: ConservativeDude
That's about right. What they ask us to believe in schools is that humans had been bopping around for 2,000,000 years without ever creating anything we could find other than a few ambiguous paitings on cave walls which can't really be dated until about 3500 years ago. That's just ludicrous.

The Basic Non Evolution of Modern Man in case you might have missed it... More than usually interesting is Gunnar Heinsohn's claim of no evidence for Neanderthals which can be legitimately dated to anything further than about 4000 years back.

29 posted on 03/07/2011 2:51:03 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

So, are you a Biblical creationist?

I am.

But I think it would be especially interesting to hear from folks who accept much of the Biblical dating, but don’t necessarily buy the whole thing. I am very open minded in that regard and eager to know what others are thinking in this fascinating world of “forbidden archaeology”.


30 posted on 03/07/2011 2:54:57 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Renderofveils

That’s true, if the pre-bang singularity was all the matter in the universe, but since matter and energy are interchangeable, the “mother of all black holes” can also be the “mother of all energetic events” if rather than matter (which didn’t even exist until after the bang) our “singularity” was a point of unimaginable energy.

I think most scientifically minded theists can see that there was an explosion of some kind...Fundamentalist religious nuts have ignored science all through history and attacked the messenger until evidence (that the world was round, orbited the sun, was not the center of the universe, etc) was no longer deniable.

To this day there are deadly earnest people who will tell you God made the Earth a few thousand years ago pre-packaged with dinosaur fossils to sift those with lukewarm faith from the fanatics.

That said, while I regard religion with a healthy dose of mistrust, the premise that all that all of *this* simply “happened” makes atheism look even more ridiculous.

When I see a pattern of ripples on a lake, I know that something disturbed the water at its epicenter. When you see the exact same pattern in the cosmos, you can bet your last dollar that something similar happened in space.

That said, who’s really made the bigger leap of faith? The scientist so awed by Creation that he finds God at the heart of the big bang, or the one who tries to twist the numbers to fit a theory that will forever be unprovable that says it was all random chance?

Just like the fundamentalist who sees an effort by God to trick people with dinosaur bones, I’d submit that the second scientist in the example above is a zealot and a fool.


31 posted on 03/07/2011 2:56:31 PM PST by Heavyrunner (Socialize this.)
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To: BobSimons
Yeah, I saw "Fred Hoyle" and figured it wasn't worth looking at.

Regardless of his contributions to star theory, he was a steady-statist
until he died about a decade ago, even as new theories and data to
explain the accelerating expansion of the Universe came in.

32 posted on 03/07/2011 3:01:54 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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-—Our LIVING world, at least in its present conformation, does in fact appear to be ballpark for some sort of a 6000 - 10000 year age; the planet viewed as a collection of rocks is older than that. -—

Sorry, what do you mean by ‘living’ world? Are you implying that the first life-forms appeared on earth within the last 10,000 years?


33 posted on 03/07/2011 3:03:33 PM PST by Behemothpanzer (You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.)
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To: wendy1946
no evidence for Neanderthals which can be legitimately dated

Maybe they didn't believe in marriage so all were illegitimate? : )

34 posted on 03/07/2011 3:03:42 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: tnlibertarian

Haha, good one.:-)


35 posted on 03/07/2011 3:05:56 PM PST by Phoebe From China (I believe we've arrived at another quintessential "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock" moment.)
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To: wendy1946

“He’s noted for discovering pairs of things, typically galaxies and quasars, which radically differing redshifts and yet which are very clearly joined together and are part and parcel of the same things, i.e. he’s known for destroying the idea of interpreting cosmic redshift as recession velocity and hence also as distance.”

He hasn’t destroyed anything. The smaller of the pairs of objects are frequently high mass, high velocity objects seen through the tail of a galaxy. The objects have a different matter distribution than the galaxy and have been id’d as distant objects. Skip Arp’s theory goes back to 1973 or 1976 I believe, and nothing, no piece of data has shown up that would give us the ability to say that redshift could occur in a (sort of) stationary object. Nada.

The 6,000 year old age of the earth was developed by James Ussher, an archbishop of the Anglican church in Ireland. Publishing this theory in 1650, he declared that the earth was created at nightfall of the day before October 23rd, 4004 BC.

Believers of this time line for earth’s creation used to be called Ussherites, but now go by the name Young Earth Creationists.


36 posted on 03/07/2011 3:06:22 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: wendy1946

I wonder where all of these pre-human homonid skulls keep coming from....?

37 posted on 03/07/2011 3:14:51 PM PST by Republican Extremist
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To: wendy1946

“The problem: Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the mother of all black holes; nothing would ever bang its way out of that.”

The Big Bang is short hand for Big Expansion of Space and it is not an explosion but a huge increase in the dimensions of space, and by the way, time.

If you measured space, any space, a billion years ago and did so again today for the same amount of space they would measure differently. And the Expansion is acceleratiing for reasons that are not at all clear.


38 posted on 03/07/2011 3:21:37 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: Republican Extremist
Once again, the basic non-evolution of modern man, you seem to have missed it. The Neanderthal was a very advanced, extinct ape; his DNA was almost exactly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee. That rules the Neanderthal out as a plausible ancestor for modern man (via any process involving or resembling evolution at least) and, since all other hominids were clearly further removed from us THAN the Neanderthal, that rules them all out. There is nothing on this planet which we could be descended from via evolution.
39 posted on 03/07/2011 3:21:54 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Republican Extremist
I wonder where all of these pre-human homonid skulls keep coming from....?

Museums send people out into very remote areas so nobody can see them make them then they bring them back to the museum to show.

40 posted on 03/07/2011 3:23:40 PM PST by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Every time one of my idiot friends(they are not all idiots, just a few)talks about the big bang and says all matter condensed into a spot the size of a dime and then exploded, I always ask them "Where did the matter come from?", all that dust that exploded after squeezing down to a dime sized spot, where did it originate from? What caused it to exist? They never have an answer but still insist that the big bang happened.

The big bang theory and the other theory about life coming from outer space and dropping onto earth, are merely attempts to dodge around the questions of how matter was formed originally and how life started from inert matter.

41 posted on 03/07/2011 3:24:22 PM PST by calex59
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To: texmexis best
The Big Bang is short hand for Big Expansion of Space and it is not an explosion but a huge increase in the dimensions of space, and by the way, time.


42 posted on 03/07/2011 3:24:29 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: wendy1946

BUMP!


43 posted on 03/07/2011 3:24:59 PM PST by G Larry
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; wendy1946

Deo, I have greatly admired Wendy1946’s posts and comments here, and I asked her to ping me to things of interest to her. Obviously, she was asked to compile the list by more FReepers than just me, LOL!

This is a low-volume ping list, but worth the wait for what you get, IMO.


44 posted on 03/07/2011 3:25:06 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Calvin Locke

There are a number of fairly new Steady State theories that have been developed recently, say the last 15 years.

But most Astro-physicists see the Big Expansion as the most likely.


45 posted on 03/07/2011 3:26:08 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: texmexis best
The smaller of the pairs of objects are frequently high mass, high velocity objects seen through the tail of a galaxy. The objects have a different matter distribution than the galaxy and have been id’d as distant objects.

That idea has basically been debunked, just too many such coincidences. In other words, beyond some point, connections stop being coincidental.

46 posted on 03/07/2011 3:27:11 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Republican Extremist

Pre-production models. Test mules if you will. Any designer worth His salt will go through several iterations until He finds one that is ready for full on production.

;-)


47 posted on 03/07/2011 3:34:03 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: wendy1946
There is nothing on this planet which we could be descended from via evolution.

You're prepared to prove a negative?

48 posted on 03/07/2011 3:34:18 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: wendy1946

There are many galaxies out there, some say 100 billion and others feel that 1 trillion is not to large a number for visible galaxies. Given those numbers the juxtaposition of two or threee objects is not all unlikely and when we look at the galaxies we find that it very common.


49 posted on 03/07/2011 3:35:14 PM PST by texmexis best
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To: calex59
Yep. Explaining how matter originated is a hard one for athiests. Explaining how life originated is even harder.

In the 1970s a British astronomer, Fir Frederick Hoyle, calculated the probability of spontaneous generation of a single bacterium. He determined that the probability of generating the proteins necessary to form a single amoeba was one chance in 10 40,000 . To put this in perspective, if an event has the probability of one chance in 10 50 it is considered a mathematical impossibility.

"The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with forty thousand naughts [zeros] after it. It is enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor on any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random they must therefor have been the product of purposeful intelligence."

-Sir Frederick Hoyle.

50 posted on 03/07/2011 3:40:24 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog!!!)
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