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The "Independent" Fed Admits The Truth
The Market Ticker ^ | 1/22/2011 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 01/23/2011 7:21:37 AM PST by FromLori

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To: Lurker
More "privatize any profits, socialize any losses".

The Fed just privatized $78.4 billion of profits to the Treasury last year. Bastards!

21 posted on 01/23/2011 10:38:19 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Fed just privatized $78.4 billion of profits to the Treasury last year. Bastards!

Then why are they talking about transferring liabilities to the US taxpayer in the future? I don't give a crap what they did last year. Why do they feel the need to do this this year?

22 posted on 01/23/2011 10:40:18 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Then why are they talking about transferring liabilities to the US taxpayer in the future?

If interest rates rise, the value of long dated bonds falls. If the Fed has to "mark to market" their positions, but still pass along all interest to the Treasury, their capital will be reduced.

I don't give a crap what they did last year.

You mean when they didn't privatize a gain and socialize a loss.

23 posted on 01/23/2011 10:45:59 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“The Fed just privatized $78.4 billion of profits to the Treasury last year.”

But they are liars!!!! Enron accounting tricks at the FED. The whole country has been ENRONIZED

“May 6, 2010, the day of the flash crash, the New York Stock Exchange stepped in and arbitrarily drew a line above and below which trades that day were ‘broken’ or canceled (effectively treating them as if they had never happened). The move to break trades was historically unprecedented. “

They are going to continue of break the LAW until they are either stopped or they are d**d.


24 posted on 01/23/2011 10:48:22 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
If interest rates rise, the value of long dated bonds falls. If the Fed has to "mark to market" their positions, but still pass along all interest to the Treasury, their capital will be reduced.

That would be too bad. It would be shocking, shocking I tell you, to expect a private institution like the Fed to be treated like any other investor.

Most everybody else has to 'mark to market' their positions. If it's good enough for everybody else, it's good enough for the Fed.

25 posted on 01/23/2011 10:50:52 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: TruthConquers
But they are liars!!!!

How's that?

Enron accounting tricks at the FED.

Enron fabricated earnings. How is the Fed doing that? Why would they?

The move to break trades was historically unprecedented

I don't think that's true. But so what? The flash crash was historically unprecedented as well.

They are going to continue of break the LAW

What law was broken when the trades were canceled?

26 posted on 01/23/2011 10:53:29 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Lurker
Hush!

You're supposed to agree! All is great and fantastic under the Obama Administration's handling of this economy. The Bailouts were brilliant! The Fed is making a “profit” for us, although greatly lacking evidence and facts!

Never mind that the Fed gave 5 Trillion Dollars to foreign Banks a year and a half ago without Congress. (That we will never see dime of again.) Never mind that the Fed also gave out 3.3 Trillion dollars secretly to US Corporations, and some of that “78.4 billion” supposedly being paid back comes from those secret loans. (At .05% interest.)

Never mind that you are completely wasting your time talking to trolls with one track minds. Rule #1. The Troll is ALWAYS right! Rule #2., If the Troll is proven wrong, refer back to rule number 1!

27 posted on 01/23/2011 10:55:17 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Lurker
It would be shocking, shocking I tell you, to expect a private institution like the Fed to be treated like any other investor.

The Fed isn't a private institution.

Most everybody else has to 'mark to market' their positions. If it's good enough for everybody else, it's good enough for the Fed.

They should mark their gold at the market price. $350 billion instead of $11 billion.

28 posted on 01/23/2011 10:56:31 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Never mind that the Fed gave 5 Trillion Dollars to foreign Banks a year and a half ago without Congress. (That we will never see dime of again.)

The Fed didn't give money to foreign banks. They swapped dollars for foreign currencies. The swaps were unwound (the Fed got the dollars back and returned the foreign currency) profitably.

29 posted on 01/23/2011 10:59:02 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: TruthConquers

Thanks and for those who don’t get it this is what it means

” the Fed has changed the rules and any losses by the Federal Reserve banks can be denoted as liabilities on THE TREASURY!”


30 posted on 01/23/2011 11:01:23 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Wikileaks says otherwise...


31 posted on 01/23/2011 11:01:48 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So, if the Fed is so “Profitable” and competent as you say, then why is there a 14.3 Trillion Dollar deficit and why have they monetized our currency?

Oh, I forgot, refer back to rule #1.


32 posted on 01/23/2011 11:03:28 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Show me...


33 posted on 01/23/2011 11:06:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
So, if the Fed is so “Profitable” and competent as you say, then why is there a 14.3 Trillion Dollar deficit

Congress spends more than $78 billion will cover.

why have they monetized our currency?

Why have they turned our currency into money?

Oh, I forgot, refer back to rule #1.

That must be the one that shows you don't know what you're talking about.

34 posted on 01/23/2011 11:09:09 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You’re right, feeding the Trolls is a pointless waste of time. Expect no further responses from me.

All the proof of what I am saying is already material evidence known as the US economy and the Dollar. It’s out there, up front and center for everyone to physically see. No further need to support the facts. They speak for themselves no matter how Trolls like you try to spin them.

One thing for sure, It’s a sure win to do the very opposite of what every you say.


35 posted on 01/23/2011 11:16:52 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Toddsterpatriot
What is the time frame?
Explain why it matters.

Well, at some point, the world's financial community says, "Hey, the Emperor has no clothes!"

The probability is that they never catch up.
Catch up to what?

The liabilities keep growing faster than the "future profits", leading to the exclamation above.

36 posted on 01/23/2011 11:18:59 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
You’re right, feeding the Trolls is a pointless waste of time.

So is trying to correct idiots.

Expect no further responses from me.

Run away.

37 posted on 01/23/2011 11:26:14 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Oatka
The liabilities keep growing faster than the "future profits", leading to the exclamation above.

If the Fed remits zero to the Treasury and ends the year with $50 billion in mark downs, why does it matter?

38 posted on 01/23/2011 11:27:58 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
The Fed isn't a private institution.

In post 3 you said it is. Which is it? Can I buy stock in it?

39 posted on 01/23/2011 11:33:30 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
In post 3 you said it is.

No I didn't.

Can I buy stock in it?

No.

40 posted on 01/23/2011 11:34:40 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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