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A Baseball Negotiation, My Foot
The Catbird in the Nosebleed Seats ^ | 21 November 2010 | Yours Truly

Posted on 11/24/2010 10:49:49 AM PST by BluesDuke

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'Nuff said . . .
1 posted on 11/24/2010 10:49:53 AM PST by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke

Who cares ... Go Sox !


2 posted on 11/24/2010 10:56:36 AM PST by major-pelham
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To: BluesDuke

The author’s an idiot. Derek Jeter has limited range, and has evolved into a singles hitter. He has been handsomely (excessively?) compensated in the past. His salary demands are ridiculous, bordering on obscene.


3 posted on 11/24/2010 10:59:19 AM PST by dangus
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To: major-pelham
Cashman thinking Jeter bleeds black pinstripes is daring him to try the market.

Serves him right if Jeter ends up with a B on his cap.

4 posted on 11/24/2010 11:01:08 AM PST by AU72
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To: BluesDuke
But neither does he deserve the apparent negotiating strategy of the New York Yankees

'Course the whole thing could just be an arrangement to keep the names Yankees and Jeter front and center on Sportscenter and other sports new outlets.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 11/24/2010 11:08:14 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: BluesDuke

Yankee management should send Jeter packing. He is one of the most overrated players in MLB. The Gold Glove award is not a measure of defensive excellence but is instead a measure of a player’s popularity. Jeter is no where close to being the best defensive SS in the AL at this point in his career. He makes the routine plays but has no range.


6 posted on 11/24/2010 11:09:08 AM PST by DFG (1 useless man is called a disgrace, 2 are called a law firm, 3 or more are called Congress)
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To: dangus

Yep, baseball is a business. The Yankees could probably get someone fairly good in a trade - most likely an ex-Cub.


7 posted on 11/24/2010 11:09:47 AM PST by glorgau
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To: DFG

He has made some amazing fielding plays throughout his career.

But his Gold Glove for 2010 was undeserved.


8 posted on 11/24/2010 11:14:35 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: BluesDuke

I’m sure they’ll eventually settle on a four year deal.

Jeter is chapped because A-Rod’s contract goes until he’s 42.

But Jeter had a crappy year, and really shouldn’t be the lead-off hitter for the Yanks anymore.

Where else is Jeter going to go?


9 posted on 11/24/2010 11:17:19 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: BluesDuke

I like and respect Jeter. But there is no way that at this point in his career he is worth $20 million a year. Now the Yankees might pay it anyway but he sure isn’t worth it. Not when 29 year old Mark Teixeira is making $25 million a year.


10 posted on 11/24/2010 11:19:10 AM PST by Artemis Webb (I support Alvin Greene as the Democrats next nominee for President of the United States!)
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To: BluesDuke
The whole tenor of the article consists of two concepts antithetical to a free market environment: (1) Jeter is entitled to a certain $$ amount because of his past performance and/or presence, and (2) The Yankees have some kind of cosmic obligation to keep Jeter a Yankee as long as he wants to be one.

It was the players that pushed for this free agency system, and pushed to be paid based on past performance being an indicator of future performance. Now, when the owners -- even of the Yankees -- step back and attempt to negotiate based on the estimated future value of a player, the players -- and many of their apologists among fans -- think this is BS.

But this is the way a free market in labor functions. Buyers try to get the best value they can, sellers try to inflate their value. Anyone who thinks Jeter is entitled to something because of what he has done (and been compensated commensurately for) in the past does not belong on FR, and should instead find a nice Dem socialist club to join instead.

11 posted on 11/24/2010 11:43:03 AM PST by Emile (Leftists are so 'open-minded', their brains have fallen out. -- (HT to GOPJ))
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And 2 more things:

My criticism is of the author, not those who have posted on this thread to date, and

I wrote what I did in #11 as an enormous admirer of how Jeter has conducted his career and what he stands for on the field and in the clubhouse.

12 posted on 11/24/2010 11:48:56 AM PST by Emile (Leftists are so 'open-minded', their brains have fallen out. -- (HT to GOPJ))
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I hope he goes to the METS and I hope you look at all the full seats at CITI and all the empty seats at Yankee Stadium and say WTF, I must have been wrong but

the reality is that Jeter will get 17 million per year guaranteed for 3 or 4 years with incentives that might take him to 85+. The Steinbrenners are not stupid. There is no way Jeter doesn't get 3000 hits as a Yankee. This Cash BS is nothing more than keeping the METS off the back page.

13 posted on 11/24/2010 12:13:34 PM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to The Zero)
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To: DFG

3000 hits baby. Overrated? NO WAY. 1ST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER.


14 posted on 11/24/2010 12:15:14 PM PST by hflynn (The One has been reduced to The Zero)
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To: DFG

Stats show his defense is below the norm for the league. As for those (I know you aren’t) bragging on his 3,000 hits - well - sure sounds like a decent time to get rif him to me....


15 posted on 11/24/2010 12:18:47 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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Jeter will be a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. At this point in his career though, his skills are declining fast. The Yanks should sell high and dump him.


16 posted on 11/24/2010 1:02:41 PM PST by DFG (1 useless man is called a disgrace, 2 are called a law firm, 3 or more are called Congress)
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To: Emile
I don't disagree with your elementary premise. But it wasn't I (the author of the article, by the way) who proclaimed Derek Jeter a Yankee symbol---it was the Yankee brass themselves who proclaimed him as such. (Bear in mind that the current such proclamations aren't the first such ones they've deployed about him.) Had they said nothing of the sort (disregard for the moment that if they didn't Yankee fans would be crawling all over them for it), it would indeed be nothing more, and nothing less, than a common business negotiation, and on precisely the terms you describe.
Anyone who thinks Jeter is entitled to something because of what he has done (and been compensated commensurately for) in the past does not belong on FR . . .
I never once spoke of what Jeter is or isn't entitled to; I spoke, rather, of a consideration he has earned over a long enough and distinguished enough career. If this were just a journeyman player, useful enough but not even close to a Jeter overall, this discussion wouldn't even exist in the first place. Remember what I also wrote above: this isn't the first time the Yankees have proffered symbolic recognition to various players only to behave otherwise. If you would have a strictly business negotiation, it is usually wise to keep it such, even (especially?) in your public rhetoric.

And bear in mind, too, that baseball---if not all professional sports---has a certain distinction above and beyond other businesses: I didn't formulate it, George F. Will did, but nobody has ever paid money to attend a professional team sporting event in order to see the team's owner. There have been owners who were liked, even admired---offhand, I can think of Joan Payson (the original owner of the Mets), Tom Yawkey (Boston Red Sox), Gene Autry (the Los Angeles/California Angels), Peter O'Malley (Los Angeles Dodgers, who was liked quite a bit more than his father seems to have been oftimes), Nolan Ryan (how close he came this year to becoming the first man in baseball history to win a World Series as a player and as an owner!), and Bill Veeck (Cleveland Indians, St. Louis Browns, Chicago White Sox---to paraphrase an old saying, nobody liked Veeck but the people, and his players)---but even those owners couldn't say the people were buying their way into the ballparks to see them.

(Caveat: The only known exception in my lifetime has been, strangely enough, Yankee fans of the 1980s who finally hoped for a chance to heap abuse on George Steinbrenner because of his mis- and/or mal-management of the team in those years . . . right up to the evening they gave a standing ovation, beginning down the right field line and slowly swelling around the entire ballpark, when the news broke that Steinbrenner had been banished from baseball by then-commissioner Fay Vincent, over the Howard Spira/Dave Winfield contretemps, and probably wished only that Steinbrenner had been in the ballpark so he could hear firsthand just what those fans thought of how he'd brought the Yankees at the time to one of the lowest points in their history.)

17 posted on 11/24/2010 1:42:21 PM PST by BluesDuke (Another brief interlude from the small apartment halfway up in the middle of nowhere in particular)
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To: BluesDuke

As a guy who learned to hate the Yankees in the early 60’s, all I can say is...I still do.


18 posted on 11/24/2010 1:53:05 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (All sweat, no equity)
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To: BluesDuke
Any story which contains this sentence But Lee isn't thought to be in that big a hurry to leave Texas, where his home park is a mere forty minute drive from his home is suspect.

Lee lives in Arkansas. 40 minutes from Rangers Ballpark will get you to Mesquite on I-30. From there it's another 5 hours east to Lee's home in Arkansas. Now I'm not sure what else the author may have blatantly wrong.

19 posted on 11/24/2010 2:01:26 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (Uncertainty: it's the new normal)
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To: Retired Greyhound

And, ARod is a better hitter, HR hitter and better DEFENSIVE player at ANY infield spot.


20 posted on 11/24/2010 2:10:19 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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