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In Mobile Age, Sound Quality Steps Back
The New York Times ^ | May 9, 2010 | JOSEPH PLAMBECK

Posted on 05/11/2010 11:04:04 AM PDT by newgeezer

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Any Maggie (Magnepan) owners on the thread? I recently added to my main system and must say these speakers are amazingly fast and detailed. Almost anything I listen to, familiar favorites I find the maggie reveal details I never noticed before. Vocals just stand out in the mix like they were meant to be heard. I heard there is also a method of modifying these speakers to make them even better though I like them as they are.


21 posted on 05/11/2010 12:06:13 PM PDT by Gasshog (going to get what all those libs asked for, but its not what they expected.)
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To: newgeezer

I’m a musician with a pretty fair ear.

I don’t get involved much in the argument, though, because I care more about the quality of the performance as opposed to its audio fidelity.


22 posted on 05/11/2010 12:09:31 PM PDT by dmz
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To: newgeezer

Ahhhh....the days of Wow and Flutter. Long gone they are. Yet, I still have...and use...my Yamaha YP-211 turntable hooked up to my Yamaha CA-610 amp.


23 posted on 05/11/2010 12:14:55 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Model citizen...zero discipline.)
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To: Gasshog

But now the digital technology is advancing to a point where we can pack way more onto hard drives etc. So at the high end, won’t the technology likely devolve into extremely high fidelity digital products sold at a premium while most of the regular folks get by on the more bland digital versions now available? After all, if you could hypothetically pack 100,000 hours of listening into an Ipod, this would vastly exceed the amount of use the device could possibly get even without repeating a single song. At that juncture, wouldn’t it make more sense to make the digital songs much higher fidelity to pack in, say “only” 10,000 songs?

We’ve seen TV gradually morph from analog to digital, resulting in great improvements in fidelity/picture quality, albeit at a higher price. Given advances in computer memory, it seems inevitable that music will go the same direction, even if it hasn’t gotten there yet. I’m no techie, so this is obviously speculative. But I’m asking you, honestly, assuming the technology would permit far larger file sizes, is it really impossible to imagine digital versions of music that would be superior to analog versions delivered even on the best equipment?


24 posted on 05/11/2010 12:51:16 PM PDT by DrC
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To: newgeezer
Then there's




25 posted on 05/11/2010 12:57:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Judas Iscariot - the first social justice advocate. John 12:3-6)
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To: EggsAckley

I’ll try. So many to choose from!

I don’t want to lose the use of my iPod and the thousands of tunes I have saved on it, so while I want their radio, I am leaning toward the iPod dock. I’m thinking that I could use it in a variety of environments, including my boat.

I wish there was an Bose store near me so that I could trying them all on. LOL

This isn’t R&R, but I found it while screwing around on the net... I find it fun to watch. It’s where the old sexy meets the new sexy, in a fun sort of way...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hYGp5VdYbE


26 posted on 05/11/2010 12:58:31 PM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama just IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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Thanks! That was awesome. I love that genre. Very nice. And the great big red lips can really take you back a few decades.

PS: My new Bose will run an iPod and an MP3, besides cds.


27 posted on 05/11/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

28 posted on 05/11/2010 1:14:19 PM PDT by Daffynition ( Does anyone know what love can cost? To take you so high and leave you lost?)
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To: EggsAckley

What model is it?

Just so you’ll know, you’re taking the heat with my wife over this expenditure.

She will be hearing me say.... “But honey, this was highly recommended by a hearing impaired retired R&R musician. Also dear, you know how music changes my mood and this guy told me that I would feel 19 again. So when you really think about it, my love, you will see that I actually bought this for you. Yes dear, it’s all for you.” LOL

I got the boat, truck, Airstream, several guns and Harley this way... it’s worked for over 38 years, it might work again. LOL


29 posted on 05/11/2010 1:23:21 PM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama just IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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To: newgeezer
I use lossless compression whenever I can. Most commercial Mp3's are tolerable, but dont sound that great. Too much compression. Now, you can change the amount of compression to make it sound better (compress less = better sound), but in this day and age of $100 2 terabyte drives, and 16mbps internet, I say we all go with lossless compression.

Of course that still wont satisfy the purists, but it would be MUCH better than what is standard now.

30 posted on 05/11/2010 1:24:28 PM PDT by Paradox (`)
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To: newgeezer
MP3 sucks.

I have NO USE for the compressed formats.

Even at my age I like hearing the ORIGINAL 16track tape hiss on the Black Sabbath CDs :)

31 posted on 05/11/2010 1:32:20 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: newgeezer

I’ve NEVER been able to identify the “underwater” quality you speak of. 8-tracks were sort of popular, but not really. They were kind of good for cars where the road noise prevented high fidelity playback anyway. And, it was almost impossible to keep a vinyl LP from getting scratched and/or wearing with time and repeated playings, so except for the first few times of listening, LPs NEVER sounded all that great.


32 posted on 05/11/2010 2:02:53 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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Well, there’s two kinds of being proud:

Being proud of products that ain’t worth a flip, that’s false pride.

And bein proud of products that really are remarkable. I think Bose products are remarkable, and I don’t know of any other company that does the kinds of things they do with sound.


33 posted on 05/11/2010 2:05:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That’s kind of funny, isn’t it.


34 posted on 05/11/2010 2:07:19 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: Daffynition

Stereo porn?


35 posted on 05/11/2010 2:07:48 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Can around 25-30% moonbat base really steal the country from us and hold it?)
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To: ichabod1

Listen here ...erm...yeah. ;D


36 posted on 05/11/2010 2:09:39 PM PDT by Daffynition ( Does anyone know what love can cost? To take you so high and leave you lost?)
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In its price range, I don't think you can beat a Tivoli


37 posted on 05/11/2010 2:17:50 PM PDT by Daffynition ( Does anyone know what love can cost? To take you so high and leave you lost?)
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For decades, starting around the 1950s, high-end stereos were a status symbol. A high-quality system was something to show off, much like a new flat-screen TV today. ...

I remember those days. Back in the early 1980s, I spent nearly $1,000 on a Kenwood system and that was a lot of money back in those days. At the time, I had nearly 600 vinyl LPs and dozens of reel-to-reel tapes that I taped off the radio (so sue me!). Also, I got most of my vinyl records from flea markets for dirt cheap. I remember one mother was selling her son's collection because he moved out of the house. Vintage Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Doors, Led Zeppelin, etc., she must have had no idea of the value of those as she let me fill a milkbox crate of them for just $10.

At the time, there was really no other way to play your music collection than to place a vinyl LP on the turntable and play out side 1 or side 2. Sure, you could move the stylus over to another track but then you risked damaging the record or the stylus needle so you just let the thing play out.

What I really miss about the albums is discovering all those "deep" album tracks that grow on you over time and you end up liking them even better than the hit singles you bought the record for in the first place.

These days, you can just pluck the singles off iTunes and you never get to hear the rest of the album. Just think of how many good songs go undiscovered as a result.

If only they didn't charge so much for the whole album, I'd buy the whole album much more often.

38 posted on 05/11/2010 2:31:50 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 105 days away from outliving Francis Gary Powers)
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I understand and agree. I only use that word in relation to their expense. I have 2 small Bose speakers for my computer and I am quite pleased with them. I think I will taking my wife on a 3 hour drive to a Bose store and we can listen to each of the packages....


39 posted on 05/11/2010 2:35:36 PM PDT by Gator113 (I do not want Obama just IMPEACHED... I want him IMPRISONED. Are we there yet? 2010-2012)
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I’ve NEVER been able to identify the “underwater” quality you speak of.

Not sure what you mean when you say that. If you mean you can't tell (or, just aren't the least bit bothered by) the difference between a CD and a common MP3 file, congratulations! :-)

Or, if you mean you don't know what I meant by "underwater," it's something which is most evident at the highest frequencies. Cymbals that sound crisp and clear on a CD ("tss, tss") sound muddy or "underwater" when ripped to a 192 kbps MP3 ("shwish, shwish"). I don't mind it too much for background music but, if I'm going to sit down for the purpose of listening to something, I just can't stand it.

LPs NEVER sounded all that great.

They certainly did on my system. Of course, not all LPs were alike, either. Sheffield Labs' were quite a bit better than K-Tel's. :-)

40 posted on 05/11/2010 3:53:24 PM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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