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The One Thing: Part 2 Immigration
Fox News ^ | 4/27/10 | Glen Beck

Posted on 04/28/2010 5:43:49 AM PDT by DBCJR

Why is it OK to check auto insurance verification, now even health care insurance verification, but not verify whether one has the right to even be in this country?

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: arizona; healthcarereform; immigration

1 posted on 04/28/2010 5:43:49 AM PDT by DBCJR
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To: DBCJR

These problems will be solved by the ATM voting machine. You simply vote Democrat and get cash on the spot. Vote Republican and you get a bill.


2 posted on 04/28/2010 5:46:19 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: DBCJR
RE :”Why is it OK to check auto insurance verification, now even health care insurance verification, but not verify whether one has the right to even be in this country?

I am for the Arizona law 100% but the only issue I can think of is that there could potentially be cases were an valid American citizen in Arizona does not have a drivers license and wouldnt have a green card either. The state should consider an alternate ID that meets the ID requirements of federal law for those without drivers licences.

Otherwise I agree with your point. In Maryland they gave drivers licences to illegals till the federal government stopped them, but at the same time had a electronic verification system to read age off of drivers licences for alcohol purchases.

Would Obama get arrested in AZ??? Just joking !

3 posted on 04/28/2010 5:54:40 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxe delayed")
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To: sickoflibs
I am for the Arizona law 100% but the only issue I can think of is that there could potentially be cases were an valid American citizen in Arizona does not have a drivers license and wouldnt have a green card either. The state should consider an alternate ID that meets the ID requirements of federal law for those without drivers licences.

I don't think you understand the law. The cirmcumstance about an American citizen wouldn't arise unless he was picked up for a suspected crime. And then his information would be run through a federal data base, which would confirm he was an american citizen.

Read this by one of the principal drafers of the AZ bill, someone I know personally and respect and admire: KOBACH: Arizona acts as Washington dithers

"Myth No. 1: The law requires aliens to carry identification that they weren't already required to carry. On the contrary, the law simply penalizes aliens who fail to carry the registration documents that federal law already requires them to keep on their person. These federal crimes (8 United States Code Section 1304(a) or 1306(e)) have been around since 1940. The Arizona law simply adds a layer of state penalty to what already was a crime under federal law.

Ironically, the open-borders crowd has for years insisted that we use the term "undocumented" when referring to illegal aliens. Now, when a state takes seriously the documentation requirements of federal law, that crowd becomes apoplectic.

As for U.S. citizens, the law does not require them to carry any identification whatsoever. Indeed, the law cannot possibly be applied against U.S. citizens; only an alien can be found guilty under the Arizona statute."

4 posted on 04/28/2010 6:31:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I wasnt trying to be critical, non-citizens are already required to carry ID as a green card but citizens are not which makes the law more difficult to really use effectively(I understand that this law will help police as it is but it could work better.) .

There was a time not long ago when police pulled americans over and asked for ID and could arrest you if you didnt have one. Maryland encodes your birth date on the bar code of your drivers licence. AZ could encode an immigration status on a similar ID (drivers licences should already be good given federal law.)


5 posted on 04/28/2010 6:42:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxe delayed")
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To: kabar

On the other side I have reservations about a national ID as a requirement to work or anything else. The reason is the federal government already punished citizens by revoking their passport over child support payments (a family court issue.) States do the same with drivers licences, ability to drive, but that is the state.

We do not want the federal government with that much power over those they can effectively demonize.


6 posted on 04/28/2010 6:50:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxe delayed")
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To: sickoflibs

We don’t need a national ID. If we use the E-Verify system for employment on a mandatory basis, it will destroy the job magnet that attracts the illegals. We need to enforce our existing laws


7 posted on 04/28/2010 6:54:23 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sickoflibs
I wasnt trying to be critical, non-citizens are already required to carry ID as a green card but citizens are not which makes the law more difficult to really use effectively(I understand that this law will help police as it is but it could work better.)

We have criminals who are US citizens and don't carry IDs. The police are not checking everyone randomly. It is only when there is reasonable cause or suspicion that someone is committing a crime. This is just a normal check to ID who that person is regardless of whether it is a citizen or not. If it is a citizen, there is no crime or penalty. If it is someone who is here illegally, than the federal government is notified. Depending on the crime, the individual can be prosecuted or turned over to ICE immediately for deportation.

There was a time not long ago when police pulled americans over and asked for ID and could arrest you if you didnt have one. Maryland encodes your birth date on the bar code of your drivers licence. AZ could encode an immigration status on a similar ID (drivers licences should already be good given federal law.)

Maryland used to issue drivers licenses to illegals, one of four states in the US to do so. That is not the case in AZ. If you are driving without a driver's license in your possession anywhere in the US, that is a crime.

8 posted on 04/28/2010 7:08:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

RE :”Maryland used to issue drivers licenses to illegals, one of four states in the US to do so. That is not the case in AZ. If you are driving without a driver’s license in your possession anywhere in the US, that is a crime.”

100% agreement and Maryland was forced to change that due to federal law.

My real objective is to neutralize the demonization of the law which I fully support. Obama is planning on using this as an issue this Fall(amnesty bill coming). You have to realize that there are a whole world of voters that never see the arguments you made which I saw on FNC and even Chris Matthews(had a AZ police officer on that did agreat job explaining it.)


9 posted on 04/28/2010 7:16:16 AM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=taxe delayed")
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To: screaminsunshine
You simply vote Democrat and get cash on the spot. Vote Republican and you get a bill.

How about - Vote Republican and you get a deposit slip (from the ATM)?

10 posted on 04/28/2010 7:29:34 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Or a guy jumps out from behind the machine and robs you.


11 posted on 04/28/2010 7:32:55 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: kabar; All

The Federal law:

***********Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate
of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to
him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails
to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of
a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined
not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2502120/posts?page=17#17


12 posted on 04/28/2010 7:33:31 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more ‘share the wealth’ socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: kabar
We need to enforce our existing laws

But you said some of those laws have been on the books since 1940. That makes them old and out of date, like the Constitution! We need living laws that change with the weather. Then if there were laws we didn't like we could blame them for AGW.

:-)

13 posted on 04/28/2010 7:38:56 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: screaminsunshine
Or a guy jumps out from behind the machine and robs you.

I like that better! Very appropriate!

14 posted on 04/28/2010 7:40:38 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

With an IRS t-shirt.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 7:41:54 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (i)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
But you said some of those laws have been on the books since 1940. That makes them old and out of date, like the Constitution!

LOL. The Constitution has an amendment process. It is not old or out of date.

16 posted on 04/28/2010 7:49:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: DBCJR

Because most of the people who are in the country illegally are Latinos, and if they scream racism, most Americans will cower and keep quiet and let them get away with being here illegally. That’s why.


17 posted on 04/28/2010 8:24:59 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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