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Attorney wants Phoebe Prince’s medical records (Mass. bullying case)
Boston Herald ^ | 04/10/10 | Marie Szaniszlo

Posted on 04/11/2010 8:52:46 PM PDT by jerry557

The attorney for one of six South Hadley High School students accused of bullying Phoebe Prince in the months leading up to her suicide is asking for highly personal information about her, a move decried by a former prosecutor and victims advocates as “unconscionable.”

In a six-page motion filed in Northampton Superior Court, Terrence M. Dunphy, the lawyer for Austin Renaud, asks for the names of any physicians, psychologists or rape counselors Prince saw; any medical and psychological records viewed by the prosecutor; details of any prior allegations of rape or abuse by Prince; and a statement as to whether her family had been the subject of a Department of Children and Families investigation.

“It’s standard procedure,” Dunphy, whose client is one of two boys charged with statutory rape, said of the request. “The document speaks for itself. I’m not explaining anything.”

Wendy Murphy, a former prosecutor who teaches at the New England School of Law, called the move “unconscionable,” arguing that the state’s highest court has ruled that the defendant in a criminal case is not entitled to a “laundry list of everyone the victim’s ever been treated by.”

There is a “very narrow” exception, Murphy said, in which the defense has to explicitly show there is something in the alleged victim’s file that will affect the defendant’s chance of a fair trial.

“But in this case, it’s not only overly broad, it’s exceedingly premature,” she said, adding that Prince never accused anyone of statutory rape - consensual sex with a minor. “I can only see it as a threat to unveil all the family secrets.”

If Dunphy pursues it, Murphy said, prosecutors have a right to “reciprocal discovery,” or the same type of information about the defendants.

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Looks like they are going to try the good old "trash the victim" defense.
1 posted on 04/11/2010 8:52:47 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: Niuhuru; Morgana

Ping


2 posted on 04/11/2010 8:54:10 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: jerry557

Seems like a very normal request.


3 posted on 04/11/2010 8:59:17 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: jerry557
Looks like the presumption of innocence and the right to competent counsel still apply .
4 posted on 04/11/2010 8:59:40 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: jerry557

I don’t know the exact legal term, but I am aware there is a law that states it doesn’t matter what is in the victims medical history, if your actions lead to their death. Meaning if you hold up a gas station and a person with a heart conditon drops dead from shock, you are responsible for their death, their medical state is not a factor.


5 posted on 04/11/2010 9:06:36 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: kbennkc
Looks like the presumption of innocence and the right to competent counsel still apply .

B-b-b-but, what about those bullies? Shouldn't we suspend all constitutional protections for bullies? /s

6 posted on 04/11/2010 9:08:12 PM PDT by TankerKC (I think P. T. Barnum had his time off by about 59 seconds.)
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To: jerry557

typical scumbag attorney move. may the guilty all burn for their actions.


7 posted on 04/11/2010 9:09:51 PM PDT by Hexenhammer (sic semper tyrannis)
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To: LukeL
I don’t know the exact legal term, but I am aware there is a law that states it doesn’t matter what is in the victims medical history, if your actions lead to their death. Meaning if you hold up a gas station and a person with a heart conditon drops dead from shock, you are responsible for their death, their medical state is not a factor.

Felony Murder rule ? That might apply if the accused kids were robbing a station and caused the poor girl to drop dead . Are those the facts here ?

8 posted on 04/11/2010 9:13:08 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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If a man rapes a woman, does the defense have a right to throw the victim’s entire medical and psychological history out into the open?

No wonder most rapes are never reported.


9 posted on 04/11/2010 9:17:08 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: jerry557

I haven’t been following this closely, but it doesn’t sound unreasonable to me.


10 posted on 04/11/2010 9:17:20 PM PDT by smokingfrog (Free Men will always be armed with the Truth.)
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To: jerry557
Hmm--interesting way to game abortion privacy laws. I don't think someone dead has the same rights of someone alive.

Remember--this is a suicide. Not a murder. What you have here are people being accused of being mean teens. Any of you have any teens who were mean?

11 posted on 04/11/2010 9:20:25 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: jerry557
If a man rapes a woman, does the defense have a right to throw the victim’s entire medical and psychological history out into the open? No wonder most rapes are never reported.

Did it happen at a gas station ?

12 posted on 04/11/2010 9:21:21 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc

I didnt make that analogy... i asked a different question...

Does the defense in a rape case have the right to smear the victim with her medical and psychological history that may have absolutely nothing to do with the crime?


13 posted on 04/11/2010 9:25:20 PM PDT by jerry557
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Does the defense in a rape case have the right to smear the victim with her medical and psychological history that may have absolutely nothing to do with the crime?

Do you understand what a double barreled question is ? Are you still a part time democrat ? Yes or no please .

14 posted on 04/11/2010 9:31:16 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: kbennkc

Part-time Democrat? What the hell are you talking about? And what the hell does political affiliation have to do with this anyway?

I asked a simple question of whether the defense has a right to smear a rape victim? And you obviously don’t have the answer.


15 posted on 04/11/2010 9:38:55 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: kbennkc

No the point is, if your actions result in the death of anyone you are resonsible, regardless if that person had a weakened mental or physical state to begin with.


16 posted on 04/11/2010 9:41:33 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: LukeL

Maybe it was a Prozac moment.

Surely the defense has the right to know that?


17 posted on 04/11/2010 9:43:54 PM PDT by donna (Sarah Palin: "I support his [McCain] position on immigration.")
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Doesnt make a difference...

If a suicidal person has a loaded gun to their head. And you yell at them to pull the trigger...and he pulls that trigger. I believe that under the law you can be held at least partially responsible for his death.

Im not a lawyer...But I think this is true.


18 posted on 04/11/2010 9:46:39 PM PDT by jerry557
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To: LukeL
No the point is, if your actions result in the death of anyone you are resonsible, regardless if that person had a weakened mental or physical state to begin with.

If that is so you can expect to hear from the lawyer for my estate as I have just expired as a result of this nattering .

19 posted on 04/11/2010 9:52:34 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: jerry557

Seems to me that if they are charging that this bulling caused her to commit suicide, the defense should be able to probe other possible reason’s for her taking her own life.

All kids get bullied at school from time to time, and it may have had nothing to do with her suicide.


20 posted on 04/11/2010 9:59:08 PM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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