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John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution
Evangel Magazine (?) | 2002 | Dennis A. Wright

Posted on 01/10/2010 12:47:27 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: greyfoxx39; ejonesie22; Colofornian; colorcountry; Elsie; reaganaut

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21 posted on 01/10/2010 7:51:02 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: nonsporting

Of course, then they would have to throw under the bus all the Founding Fathers who were Masons, including George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, John Paul Jones, Robert Livingston, Paul Revere, etc.

When done with them and the Mormons, they can then move on to whatever else doesn’t fit their definition.


22 posted on 01/10/2010 8:08:06 AM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: Godzilla

There it is, the expected anti Mormon brigade ping.

Time to move on... It’s been fun people.


23 posted on 01/10/2010 8:09:09 AM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

As I understand it, every male Mormon in good standing over the age of 12 is an “elder”.


24 posted on 01/10/2010 8:26:12 AM PST by T Minus Four (Christians follow Christ, not other Christians)
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To: T Minus Four

18 is the earliest age that one can be ordained an Elder in the LDS church.


25 posted on 01/10/2010 8:28:17 AM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: Ripliancum; CondoleezzaProtege; Diogenesis; reaganaut

 

More of Ezra Taft Benson and the Founding Fathers...on the proxy baptism of and confirmation after death as members of the mormon church

Those who say that in this country one's religion should be relegated to his private life alone and never be allowed to "intrude" on his public activities should study the Founding Fathers. This nation has a spiritual foundation. Its wellsprings are themselves religious. Its life is deeply rooted in faith.

When I became President of the Twelve and Spencer W. Kimball became President of the Church, we met, just the two of us, every week after our Thursday meetings in the temple, just to be sure that things were properly coordinated between the Twelve and the First Presidency. After one of those first meetings, we talked about the many sacred documents in some of the older temples. St. George was mentioned in particular because St. George is our oldest temple in Utah. I had a stake conference down there about that time, and it was agreed that I would go into the archives -- the walk-in vault -- of that great temple and review the sacred documents that were there. We were planning for the remodeling and renovating of the St. George Temple and thought that the records might possibly be moved to Salt Lake for safekeeping. And there in the St. George Temple I saw what I had always hoped and prayed that someday I would see. Ever since I returned as a humble missionary and first learned that the Founding Fathers had appeared in that temple, I wanted to see the record. And I saw the record. They did appear to Wilford Woodruff twice and asked why the work hadn't been done for them. They had founded this country and the Constitution of this land, and they had been true to those principles. Later the work was done for them.

In the archives of the temple, I saw in a book, in bold handwriting, the names of the Founding Fathers and others, including Columbus and other great Americans, for whom the work had been done in the house of the Lord. This is all one great program on both sides of the veil. We are fortunate to be engaged in it on this side of the veil. I think the Lord expects us to take an active part in preserving the Constitution and our freedom.

The Founding Fathers of this nation, those great men, appeared within those sacred walls of the St. George Temple and had their vicarious work done for them. President Wilford Woodruff spoke of it in these words: "Before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them. Said they, `You have had the use of the Endowment House for a number of years, and yet nothing has ever been done for us. We laid the foundation of the government you now enjoy, and we never apostatized from it, but we remained true to it and were faithful to God.'"

After he became President of the Church, President Wilford Woodruff declared that "those men who laid the foundation of this American government were the best spirits the God of heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits [and] were inspired of the Lord."

The temple work (proxy baptism and confirmation as members of the mormon church among other rituals) for the fifty-six signers of the Declaration of Independence and other Founding Fathers has been done. All these appeared to Wilford Woodruff when he was president of the St. George Temple. President George Washington was ordained a high priest at that time. You will also be interested to know that, according to Wilford Woodruff's journal, John Wesley, Benjamin Franklin, and Christopher Columbus were also ordained high priests at that time. When one casts doubt about the character of these noble sons of God, I believe he or she will have to answer to the God of heaven for it. Yes, with Lincoln I say: "To add brightness to the sun or glory to the name of Washington is . . . impossible. Let none attempt it. In solemn awe pronounce the name and in its deathless splendor, leave it shining on."

Source: Benson, Ezra Taft, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson. Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1988. 602 - 604.


26 posted on 01/10/2010 8:44:20 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: Ripliancum

Oh that’s right, they can become Aaronic priests at age 12.


27 posted on 01/10/2010 8:57:31 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: T Minus Four
Actually, no. Aaronic Priests at 16. Aaronic Deacons at 12 is what you are thinking of.
28 posted on 01/10/2010 9:04:04 AM PST by Ripliancum (I'm not ignoring you, just taking good counsel. - Proverbs 15:1-2)
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To: cva66snipe

Boy, you sure a buzzkill on what was shaping up to be a perfectly good Mormon/JBS bashing thread...magritte


29 posted on 01/10/2010 9:19:18 AM PST by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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To: Godzilla
Interesting combination of two distinct groups.

While I have been both a member and a critic of the JBS over the years and I do find that at times the views among many members are a bit to the extreme side, however these are indeed shaping up to be extreme times I fear. As it is for the vast majority of JBS folk I don't question that their motives are anything but pure, based on a love for what we are/were and the ideals we a based on.

As for the LDS, I have my doubts, at least from their leadership and higher level folks and this G. Vance Smith guy secures those doubts even further. I think SLC wants to further the own legacy for lack of a better term, extend their own power.

As an aside, I think the rank and file LDS are in the fight for the right reasons, though I have nothing specific I feel even some here have in some way blown of the whole white horse bit and they are in it for their families and country, little more.

While I welcome anyone to the fight for the constitution and our ideals, be they JBS, Mormons, Hindus, even screaming mad Muslims if they were so motivated, I would be wary of those with other motivations even if their words were “what I wanted to hear”...

30 posted on 01/10/2010 9:37:59 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Ripliancum

Oh well, I trust you more than Google :-)


31 posted on 01/10/2010 11:14:52 AM PST by T Minus Four
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
I am not sure what his affiliations are.

JBS.org has a list of top folks shown...

32 posted on 01/10/2010 1:30:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
I am not sure where Palin stands theologically with regard to her Christianity.

Read her book.

Grew up influenced by Catholic teachings; moved into pentacostal later on.

33 posted on 01/10/2010 1:33:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: cva66snipe
Nah! It's much easier to just sit back and bash Mormons and call Birchers Kooks so says this Baptist.

You said the Magic Word!

You need to read a bit more closely: it's MORMONism that is EXPOSED (not bashed) - not MORMONs.

34 posted on 01/10/2010 1:35:57 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 70th Division

You have my bumper sticker for a tagline!


35 posted on 01/10/2010 1:37:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum

From an LDS Prophet

(Ezra Taft Benson, strong supporter of the JBS)




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

 


 


36 posted on 01/10/2010 1:38:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nonsporting
Try reading The Light and the Glory which is based on the founders actual personal letters and public speeches etc. Question for you. Who edited what is now used in the Unitarian Church as a Bible? You might be surprised. A considerable number held the belief of Deist even if but a short time including Frankin by many accounts. This was at a time in history when Deism was at it's peak in our nation. Ones like Jefferson converted to that belief later on in life.
37 posted on 01/10/2010 1:47:42 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Ripliancum
We, the blessed beneficiaries of the Constitution, face difficult days in America, “a land which is choice above all other lands” (Ether 2:10).





38 posted on 01/10/2010 1:50:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ripliancum
We, the blessed beneficiaries of the Constitution, face difficult days in America, “a land which is choice above all other lands” (Ether 2:10).




THE BOOK OF ETHER
 
CHAPTER 2
 
The Jaredites prepare for their journey to a promised land—It is a choice land whereon men must serve Christ or be swept off—The Lord talks to the brother of Jared for three hours—They build barges—The Lord asks the brother of Jared to propose how the barges shall be lighted.
 
  1 And it came to pass that Jared and his brother, and their families, and also the afriends of Jared and his brother and their families, went down into the valley which was northward, (and the name of the valley was bNimrod, being called after the mighty hunter) with their cflocks which they had gathered together, male and female, of every kind.
  2 And they did also lay snares and catch afowls of the air; and they did also prepare a vessel, in which they did carry with them the fish of the waters.
  3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them aswarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, bseeds of every kind.
  4 And it came to pass that when they had come down into the valley of Nimrod the Lord came down and talked with the brother of Jared; and he was in a acloud, and the brother of Jared saw him not.
  5 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded them that they should ago forth into the wilderness, yea, into that quarter where there never had man been. And it came to pass that the Lord did go before them, and did talk with them as he stood in a bcloud, and gave cdirections whither they should travel.
  6 And it came to pass that they did travel in the wilderness, and did abuild bbarges, in which they did cross many waters, being directed continually by the hand of the Lord.
  7 And the Lord would not suffer that they should stop beyond the sea in the wilderness, but he would that they should come forth even unto the aland of promise, which was choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had bpreserved for a righteous people.
  8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should aserve him, the true and only God, or they should be bswept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.
  9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be aswept off when the fulness of his bwrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are cripened in iniquity.
 
  10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be aswept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the bfulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are cswept off.
 
  11 And this cometh unto you, O ye aGentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the bwrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.
  12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be afree from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but bserve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.
  13 And now I proceed with my record; for behold, it came to pass that the Lord did bring Jared and his brethren forth even to that great sea which divideth the lands. And as they came to the sea they pitched their tents; and they called the name of the place aMoriancumer; and they dwelt in btents, and dwelt in tents upon the seashore for the space of four years.
  14 And it came to pass at the end of four years that the Lord came again unto the brother of Jared, and stood in a cloud and atalked with him. And for the space of three hours did the Lord talk with the brother of Jared, and bchastened him because he remembered not to ccall upon the name of the Lord.
  15 And the brother of Jared repented of the evil which he had done, and did call upon the name of the Lord for his brethren who were with him. And the Lord said unto him: I will forgive thee and thy brethren of their sins; but thou shalt not sin any more, for ye shall remember that my aSpirit will not always bstrive with man; wherefore, if ye will sin until ye are fully ripe ye shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And these are my cthoughts upon the land which I shall give you for your inheritance; for it shall be a land dchoice above all other lands.
  16 And the Lord said: Go to work and build, after the manner of abarges which ye have hitherto built. And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did go to work, and also his brethren, and built barges after the manner which they had built, according to the binstructions of the Lord. And they were small, and they were light upon the water, even like unto the lightness of a fowl upon the water.
  17 And they were built after a manner that they were exceedingly atight, even that they would hold water like unto a dish; and the bottom thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the sides thereof were tight like unto a dish; and the ends thereof were peaked; and the top thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the length thereof was the length of a tree; and the door thereof, when it was shut, was tight like unto a dish.
  18 And it came to pass that the brother of Jared cried unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, I have performed the work which thou hast commanded me, and I have made the barges according as thou hast directed me.
  19 And behold, O Lord, in them there is no light; whither shall we steer? And also we shall perish, for in them we cannot breathe, save it is the air which is in them; therefore we shall perish.
  20 And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.
  21 And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did so, according as the Lord had commanded.
  22 And he cried again unto the Lord saying: O Lord, behold I have done even as thou hast commanded me; and I have prepared the vessels for my people, and behold there is no light in them. Behold, O Lord, wilt thou suffer that we shall cross this great water in darkness?
  23 And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: What will ye that I should do that ye may have light in your vessels? For behold, ye cannot have awindows, for they will be dashed in pieces; neither shall ye take fire with you, for ye shall not go by the light of fire.
  24 For behold, ye shall be as a awhale in the midst of the sea; for the mountain waves shall dash upon you. Nevertheless, I will bring you up again out of the depths of the sea; for the bwinds have gone forth cout of my mouth, and also the drains and the floods have I sent forth.
  25 And behold, I prepare you against these things; for ye cannot cross this great deep save I prepare you against the waves of the sea, and the winds which have gone forth, and the floods which shall come. Therefore what will ye that I should prepare for you that ye may have light when ye are swallowed up in the depths of the sea?
 

39 posted on 01/10/2010 1:50:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

Fly my pretties!


40 posted on 01/10/2010 1:52:03 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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