Posted on 01/10/2010 12:47:27 AM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
"...G. Vance Smith, a committed Mormon, now leads the Society. Vance Smith is systematically removing people from leadership positions within the John Birch Society and replacing them with Mormons. One gathers that Smith does not feel that he is accountable to the membership concerning his reasons for the replacement of longtime leadership. There seems to be no accountability factor. Longtime Birchers are leaving the Society en masse.
There seems to be a major concern that the Society is fast becoming a puppet for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. One document that I received suggests that Smith's course of action is tied in with his Mormon belief that, "The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread."
Note the words of Mormon Prophet Brigham Young:
"Will the Constitution be destroyed? No; it will be held inviolate by this people; and, as Joseph Smith said, 'The time will come when the destiny of the nation will hang upon a single thread. At that critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from threatened destruction.' It will be so." (Journal of Discourses,7:15.) Young also made another "prophecy" about the same circumstances: "Brethren and sisters, our friends wish to know our feelings towards the Government. I answer, they are first rate, and we will prove it too, as you will see if you only live long enough, for that we shall live to prove it is certain, and when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the "Mormon" Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forward and do it." (Journal of Discourses, 2:182.)
There is yet a third voice explaining this" prophecy," and that is the voice of Orson Hyde, a contemporary of Joseph Smiths because he was one of his Twelve Apostles, who wrote this, also quoted in Journal of Discourses:
"It is said that brother Joseph in his lifetime declared that the Elders of this Church should step forth at a particular time when the Constitution should be in danger, and rescue it, and save it. I believe he said something like this - that the time would come when the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he, If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it." (Journal of Discourses, 6:152) Does Vance Smith believe that this is a prophecy made by his Prophet that has yet to be fulfilled, and does he see the Birch Society in all of its endeavors striving to be the group to "step forward and do it" to save the Constitution in junction with the LDS Church? Is this why he is systematically removing longtime Birchers from leadership positions and replacing them with Mormons? Time will tell."
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Uh yea right. The first person went after was Beck. Look I know a few of them myself. I'm not a Mormon and I personally do not believe a majority of their doctrine. That being said based on statements and profession of faith as well as the fruits produced by Mormons I do know I hold nothing against them. One I know of a Freeper is about the most patriotic and Christ loving and proclaiming as Lord and Savior person I know even under severe adversity. His life proves his fruits. Personally I'm going to let GOD via the Holy Spirit who leads to all truths sort it out. And again I am talking about the mainstream LDS Mormons.
I can find arguments against almost all Christian churches for some of their quirks anything from snake handlimg, to demanding manifestation of spiritual gifts as proof of salvation, to foot washing, to praying through departed from this world persons, to saying that only the poorly translated and hard to read King James Bible is GOD's true Bible.
Some forget a passage in the Bible. Our Lord was approached by his Disciples about others preaching about Him and casting out demons and healing the sick in His name. They said do you want us to stop them? His reply was in Mark ch 9 v 38
38John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw a man using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn’t one of our group.” 39“Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs miracles in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me. 40Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I assure you, that person will be rewarded.
Christ condemned one thing more than anything else and that was hypocrisies of the leaders. He didn't seem to worry so much about an earnest and rightious mans beliefs or faith as it is Faith that matters not rituals and not church dogma and doctorines. It was the persons heart toward GOD he saw and judged. All churches and all people have sinned and fall short.
Ah, I see, only fun when unopposed. Run away, run away then Rip. Heaven forbid you discuss RELIGION.
Controlling far right wing group theocratically is almost like fire and gasoline.
I see absolutely no value in rising to your bait, or anyone else’s. Do what you will.
mormonism is challenged on the basis of its beliefs - both those publicly expressed as well as that which they try to keep under cover (aka the "meat"). In the middle of the article's title are the words Mormon Prophecies - indicating a component of the mormon religion can and should be evaluated. Is the prophecy valid - you leaders say NO, you rank and file are mixed. Should we not be concerned when an individual seeks political power on the basis of an unrecognized 'prophecy'? Should the factuality of other aspects of mormonism be examined to evaluate what else could be expected by Americans when mormon religious beliefs take priority over other things? Many mormons here tend to be less than full disclosure when it comes to the less 'popular' aspects of their religion - and it is these aspects when it comes to governing that need to be exposed. Especially from a religion for nearly 100 years had an oath in the endowment which required members to swear vengeance "upon this nation."
If you feel so inclined, ask the mods to move it to the religion forum so you can do what you like to do unbridled.
Not necessary IMHO, here in chat is just fine. But you probably wouldn’t follow it there either - so here we are :)
Which ones were not Christians and which ones would not have been allowed in our current Christian churches? You think that current America is more Christian than our founding fathers, and presumably the Americans that they served?
That was painted by a **shock** Mormon!!!
What does the religion of the painter have to do with anything, I was pointing out that Washington was a Christian, something that you were implying that he was not.
Was that your Mormonism speaking? Why is this the first response from you when I have posted many political posts pertaining to Mitt Romney and his political liberalism to you, today?
Do you discuss politics or only Mormon topics?
Who would have thrown the Christian, George Washington under the bus, and who is they?
And I’m not a big Romney fan, again, why should I rise to useless bait?
So you don’t think that Mason’s are anti Christian? Most “traditional” Christians do.
I do know know that Christians know that George Washington was a Christian, regardless of what you keep hacking at, and I notice that you seem only to focus on what you perceive as religious issues, not politics.
I never baited you in my posts about Mitt Romney, those were substantive, political posts that you would not answer, now I can’t get rid of you because you keep wanting to bash Christianity, Christians and our founding fathers, and promote Mormonism.
Wow, interesting interpretations of my posts and lack of same.
Don’t worry, consider yourself “rid” of me.
Lest you all have too much fun here with this conspiracy thread by it’self, look what someone else just posted.
McCain aide: Palin believed candidacy ‘God’s plan’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2425446/posts
Really?
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