Posted on 11/08/2009 12:27:42 AM PST by goods
Following the election results a few days ago, November third, Speaker Pelosi said ‘we won’? You remember how the Republicans mocked her for this statement?
well wel well, Pelosi did indeed win that night – she won the Health Care Reform bill. Had the Republicans won on Tuesday the two open congressional seats, the final HCR vote would have failed in a 218-217 vote.
Here is how:
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And if Scuzzy won.. she’d have voted the same way and would have been 2 “””””gops””””” vote for this Obamanation, still giving Pelosilini the vaunted “BIPARTISAN” label..
and I, for ONE... voted for my LAST RINO in’08.
I call BS Scazawhatever never had a chance to win that seat. Hoffman ewas the only chance the GOP had.
Um 218 is still bigger than 217, unless the rules are it has to be over 218. Is it?
BS! Scuzzy was against the public option.
Enough of the lies and deceit.
The win in NY23 by the Republican would have made a difference.
WHAT PLANET DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE ON?
NONE of that makes ANY difference?
DAH!
So you are saying scuzzlebutt would have voted for or against this bill? If I recall she supported Owens after leaving the race 5 days prior. In the case of a tie the smartest man in the room would have cast his vote.
The Dim was against the health care bill too during the campaign up there.
The Dem was initially against the public option but was bullied in to it by the Kosites, netroots etc who funded his campaign.
The Rep was clearly against it from the beginning of the campaign.
Dripping /s (for the slower moving ones)
I do NOT think you get it:
UNTIL they are NOT the party in power, our whining will not mean SQUAT.
You can use whatever invective, terms of enearment, or otherwiswe deragatory references, what BLOODY DIFFERENE does it make?
If YOU call her Botox ASSHAT, does that change any bloody f’g thing?
Actions speak louder than words my friend.
BS
No it does not.
Answer my question. She supports the democrat. Answer my question. She supports the democrat.
A slight flaw: The Garamendi seat was held by Ellen Tauscher, and she would have voted for this bill anyway. My understanding is the Republican in NY-23 was already planning to vote for it as well. And so was the Republican who was running for it, Dede Scozzafava.
The President of the United States of America said:
“we won. Get over it.”
What do you think our carping will solve?
Maybe the next time we have an election you will realize the magnitude of the event.
I’m not going to listen to ANYBODY entertaining the idea of Rudy Guiliani as possible president becaue he’s NOT ideologically in my camp. YOU have to eat my words.
Guess what?
Who’s eating what?
DUDE!!!!!!!
great to live in the land of what if’s! Ooh I got one, What if Repubs actually had balls and voted based on principles the last 8 years!
Your going to eat whatever Princess Pelozi says you will eat.
Carping about it now means NOTHING whatsoever. “We” lost. Snd we will continue to lose each and every time.
Talk to your parents, co-workers w/parents, those who have beemn ‘denied”, etc.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THE “CONSERVATIVE” principles?
Where the HELL did Rudy come from? Go to sleep, its past your bedtime.
They don't because the same stinking crooked pile that has completely taken over them Dems has the Republicans as well. They will all tell you anything and just do whatever they want. That is the lesson for our generation. Washington and most of our national organizations like AARP, the American Medical association and on and on are owned and or being being dragged around by the nose by a few corrupt organizations with money and lawyers. There is only one party and it's commie.
I mowed the lawn and fed the animals today. Does that count?
Don't you see? The two party system is fake...they are both leading us further into big government. The republicans never reverse big government legislation.
Oh I see it alright. Scuzza was an R with all hope from the left. Screw that. The 20% swing in VA and NJ is even more than fake voters can overcome. The fact that she threw all her support to the left after removing herself explains everything.
The discussion was whether the Dim or the GOP candidate would have voted no today. The Dim did not despite what he said early on. I suspect the GOP candidate would not have voted no either despite what she claimed.
She was a plant. Now the R’s better worry. This is coming to an end. The folks that work for a living didn’t want to worry about Capitol Hill. Now we will.
It may have been that she was to be the "token" GOP vote. It really doesn't matter. Neither party ever reverses big government legislation. I don't know why we continue with this two party charade...other than if the people knew what was happening....they would revolt.
I sent an e-mail to J. McCain today and I explained to him the crap being shoved down our throat is not acceptable. Leave ME alone. I have enough to worry about, I don’t need the Government pileing on!
The rallying cry for 2010 should be “220 to GO!”. Defeat the bums in the next election and take their seats.
Bullshit. She made it this close to give vulnerable blue dogs cover they
can run back to their districts with. Had any of their votes been needed
they would sacrifice. This is all bullshit politics; one more act that will
start our next civil war.
We would have lost anyway. Many of the Dems who voted no were given dispensation (she had 40 to give away) by Pelosi, who knew she had enough votes.
My Rep, McMahon, is a freshman Dem in a red (53-47 McCain) district, and got the needed cover. But had Nancy needed the vote, he would have given it to her despite the heat - and if not him, a few of the others who might not be quite as vulnerable.
The Democrats would have come up with the necessary votes, even if we had won that District.
As always, certain demonrats were given permission to vote NO. If needed they would have found another dem to vote Yes.
This was all a stealth attack on the US.
The House of Reps needs to be cleaned out!
Armey, Thompson, Palin, Bachmann et al took the correct and proper action in endorsing Hoffman. Anyone censuring their decision is at best naïve, at worst disingenuous.
Put down the crack pipe and step away from the keyboard.
Uh, what was the vote? Only ONE Republican voted for this and it was Republicans who valiantly fought AGAINST it. The truth is we need MORE Republicans and the only way out of this mess is to vote STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN tickets.
I can tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are from this vote. Thanks to all the great Republicans. We MUST send them reinforcements and voting a straight Republican ticket is the only way out.
elections have consequences...
and when we start growing up, listening, and voting smartly, we can rid ourselves of this evil....
and until third partiers, and people that vote without even knowing who's running stop their insanity, the insanity in Washington D.C. will continue.
Its always one excuse after another and the government gets bigger and bigger decade after decade. You of all people should be able to see that both parties have marched us into this over a period of time. They never reverse big government legislation. Never have...never will. The Republicans say the Dems pass it and they think they are off the hook...they run against what the Dems did and then they say they can't change anything when they are in. It's a horrifying corrupt pattern.
We don't need anymore of this fake two party system...it's corrupt to the core.
The Conservative got 45% of the entire vote and the "r" still on the ticket got 6%. 51% of the people voted against the dem but they played dirty tricks...yes, the republicans played dirty tricks to get a party insider elected. They even funded ads against the conservative. Only "players" are chosen to be elected, whether they are an "r" or a "d". The game? More power for Washington.
We must also recognize there is no other possible way to change this than to continue to work through the primary process to select the candidates we want and then to vote STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN after that.
Do you know any other practical way to improve things?
No more elite school graduates who have buddies, friends and relatives on the left to help out back home in Massachusetts.
We have to elect our neighbors and our accountants and our nurses and our farmers. We have to run for office and expect our fellow conservatives to vote for us. We need to stop being afraid of breaking away from the system of "r" and "d" and realize that they have already taken us to the worst and that we now have nothing else to lose.
It may take years to finally make it happen, but when it does, we will clear out the unconstitutional legislation and rid this country of this tyrannical, crooked “government”. This is how it was meant to be.
This two party game is a farce right now and it has to be stopped. It will be stopped, either by election or by something horrifying. The swing to socialism always swings back because it does not work. We do not want our grandchildren in a bloody revolution to get their freedom back...but that is exactly what will happen if we don't act.
Had the GOP won a couple more seats, the only difference is that a couple more Dems would’ve had their arms twisted to the point of breaking and fallen on their swords.
There is even a group that exists trying to persuade all voters to vote out every incumbent--totally stupid!!
It's time to start thinking logically and not emotionally.
When we have schools, churches and the entertainment and news industry that are permeated with socialism, how can we expect perfection in our politicians. The problem originates at the grassroots level and we have the government the people want.
Even the so called conservative news has been telling people that socialism and communism are no longer a threat to this country. Now that the people are waking up, the pols are desperate to keep regular people out of Washington. Both sides are completely invested in growing government for their own interests.
If you have a rep that you know is a conservative, then that is what we are looking for. Anyone who has been educated in the east is non starter...they are indoctrinated to big government and most of them don't even know it.
The Senate needs a clean sweep...no more dynasty candidates for President, no more listening to the media about who we should vote for.
We need to talk politics to people on the job and at school and at the family get togethers, at the drug store and at the gym. No more "politics are for someone else".. this is about our children.
Get with a group of concerned mothers that are not of any of the many government infiltrated organizations. AS A Mom.ning.com got 40,000 members in a week. It will take a long time and it will not be easy but it can be done.
What are you stupid or something? Did you not see that Scuzzybitch supported the Dimwit candidate after she quit? She would have voted the same way Owens voted, plus she wouldn’t have won even if Hoffman wasn’t in the race. Want to blame someone? Blame the GOP for nominating the idiot in the first place. Had they nominated a real conservative the conservative would have won. Quit supporting a RINO and get your head straight. Not much time left for idiots like you to see the light.
R ABOVE ALL ELSE...
SHE supported the LIBERAL OWEN... OWEN’S own statement “SHe’s more liberal than I am”
NEWT Said she was “Against the PUblic option”.. not only point..
she was For Cardcheck.. she was 3rd most liberal in NY Assembly/Senate...
In NY most REPUBLICANS are too EFFING LIBERAL to get my vote.
If I was in 23 she’d have NEVER gotten my vote... I would have stayed home if a CONSERVATIVE did not appear.
I SLEEP WELL with my decisions..
Quit WHINING... YOU and SCUZZ LOST. Besides, it makes you sound like a RON Paulistinian!!
Getting all worked up about this is not going to help.
Get your kids out of the public schools. Refuse to watch network TV. If you go to a liberal, mainline church, leave it.
As a case in point, we have ardent Catholics here on FR who assume the Catholic church is a sanctuary for conservatism and it is not. It's far from it.
They should be but they're not. They give lip service to the abortion issue but that's it. They don't mean it and they don't care. If they cared, they wouldn't be looking the other way while Pelosi and Co. do their dirty work. Even the Catholic church puts a priority on distribuing other people's money. What are we going to do? We need changes at the bottom.
Totally agree...bottom up. The long march back to freedom.
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