Posted on 11/06/2009 9:23:30 PM PST by ransomnote
The fact that someone could go through -- at government expense -- an undergraduate education with ROTC, then medical school at a US military institution, and remain a traitor to the United States is a significant warning. A very significant warning that the idea of Political Correctness has consequences we can't afford. Corruption of the Legions is one danger the Republic cannot endure.
The Legions remain faithful; but for how long when their officers are no longer faithful? Hassan had been through ROTC and a US armed forces medical school as a commissioned officer. Why was his failure of loyalty to the armed forces not detected earlier? But of course he was a Muslim, and it would not be politically correct to wash someone out of an armed forces medical school for lack of loyalty to the armed forces of these United States.
We sow the wind. We have reaped one whirlwind.
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The politically correct spin is coming like a tidal wave. He is a crazy guy who happens to be a Muslim. All of that misses the point: he was disloyal to the United States, and said so openly and many times; yet he remained a commissioned officer of the United States. That is the point that is being overlooked. Whether the disloyalty is due to a psychotic episode or some other cause is not important.
(Excerpt) Read more at jerrypournelle.com ...
His and Larry Niven's INFERNO introduced me to Dante's original.
If I’m not mistaken.. Isn’t there an audio of Obama saying he stands with Islam? I forget where I heard it.. from his book?
I think it was in one of his books ‘...if things should take a bad turn, I shall stand with Islam’
There is a quote from his book that is often excerpted a little bit out of context.
When talking about Arabs in his Senate District he writes something like “They require assurance that I will stand with them if the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
That’s the quote I was trying to think of.. Thank you!
Thank you for clarifying - I think that was the quote I was mangling.
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I see.. Thank you!
Niven and Pournelle were among the authors that hooked me on Sci-fi. I also liked Vonnegut (sp?) and Arthur C. Clark among others.
When I was a kid, my first-ever SF book was an Andre Norton. Her juvenile adventures were the equal of Heinlein's, to me.
How are the political winds shifting now, and who is choosing to stand with the American people?
Yes, the cause of the MSM's disloyalty is not as important as jettisoning them as soon as possilble. Although the cause should still be examined to prevent future disloyalty.
Causes like:
I Grok that! Norton yes! Heinlen YES! And the modern sci fi writers just don’t have ‘it’ compared to those greats you mention IMHO
Yes. I never liked that quote because it almost reads like “they want to know if I am still with them or if I have become too Americanized to put their interests first”
I was thinking the same thing myself. The guy made a choice, a choice to break his oath. Time and again it’s shown that muslims have only one loyalty, and they will betray everything else.
98% of it is Star Trek/Star Wars or LOTR variations or vampire romances.
The rest is postmodern navel-gazing.
The few space adventures are plastic, with boring characters.
So I read other stuff.
Try David Drake.. hes good sf.
Even late in life he did have Geraldo Rivera's number, though.
Try David Drake, David Weber, S. M. Stirling, and Steve White.
I don't know what you mean about Geraldo--was Vonnegut a critic of that tool? Any references I can look at? (A friend is a huge fan and collector of Vonnegut, so I'd like to pass any info on to him, if you have it.)
I don't think Ralph Peters is overlooking this point. He was great on BOR tonight.
I actually have Stirling on my To Read list, thanks for the suggestions, all.
The Wikipedia article on the alleged person you so charitably refer to as The Tool (it'll have to do -- saying what he really is will get us suspended) has only this:
Kurt Vonnegut mentions Rivera several times in various novels, including Palm Sunday and Fates Worse than Death, never in a favorable light. Rivera was married to Vonnegut's daughter Edith. They divorced in 1974.
Ah, ok. My friend will probably already know about this then. But I’d never heard of it. No surprise.
Good point! I think I am becoming desensitized to the endless betrayals of the MSN and I appreciate the refresher!
I agree. I tend to view post Pournell/Heinlen etc. writers as a) star trek franchises or b) wrought iron bikini clad new age fantasy. (Whoooaaa...I think I just saw the eyes glaze on some of the men...)
But I sure don't have to read 'em.
I am laughing out loud because your ‘where was I’ caught the exact reaction I imagined among some males as soon as I complained about the wrought iron...oh you know....
I have to admit, even at my advanced age of 44, I am not only just as flabbergasted by female beauty, but even moreso than when I was younger.
Better than the alternative, being one of these guys who is frozen from the neck down.
I recall reading a book by Vonnegut Jr. (I think that’s Vonneguts son, right?) where he details his own collapse into schizophrenia. Once section I recall is that he was in a VW van with other hippie friends and he heard on the radio that there had been a tragic earth quake in Guatemala and he felt so guilty for letting that happen that he was apologizing to his friends repeatedly...
*chuckling* it’s that you express it so realistically *chuckle*.
I have not heard that men are still memorized by Sci-Fi book art at the ‘ripe’ age of 44 as they were in their youth - I’ve always heard that youthful levels of distraction imperil safe driving or stair climbing etc. and since the 44 year olds seem to handle stairs and driving better, I assumed levels of distraction were markedly down. I have not heard of men frozen from the neck down - perhaps they just can’t make it up the stairwells or drive a car so they aren’t out in public much? Well...I hope you end up in teh SciFi section of the bookstore this weekend! *chuckling*
Kurt Vonnegut is Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. I don’t believe his father is known for anything. KV Jr. had a brother who was a somewhat famous meteorologist, expert in lightning.
I’m sorry, I was just thinking of Jessica Alba in Sin City, were you talking to me? ;)
The argument “was he insane or was he an Islamic jihadi” is based on the premise that Islamic jihadis are sane. Only a moonbat would consider an Islamic terrorist sane.
I found myself thinking about the sanity of the culture that could operate without a conscience like that. Initially, shortly after 9/11, it was tribes in Afghanistan. Writers were placing articles about Pashtun culture online, stories about sexual abuse of children being ‘accepted’ in that society, stories about children who steal from neighbors or family guests winning the approval of their fathers etc. I marveled at just how damaged a society could be - I thought I had already read of depraved societies but this was different - where an entire village operates without empathy or lacks the inherent conscience to make them want to protect children from abuse. Around this time, ‘why do they hate us?’ was popular and I would listen to that and then look at these societies, so steeped in what must be mental illness from generations of life in an abusive barbaric society and wonder just what kind of conversation we were supposed to have with them. If they can’t comprehend that pedophilia is evil, that killing freely those who refuse to adopt your faith as their own is beneath human dignity etc, how would we ‘reason with them.’ To be able to reason, they need to hold the forces of societal sickness at bay. With protections in place to guard the ‘diversity’ of any culture, even if that diversity is a form of mental illness, means help is not headed their way. They must collide with decency somehow to escape this sickness. Otherwise, why would they even want to stop killing if they still felt it culturally acceptable. Mental illness as ‘cultural richness’. *sigh*
drake or ringo - it’ll be love at first book
Exactly. They need to be isolated and quarantined from civilization until and unless they decide they want to be a part of it. Until then no trade or travel of any kind. Destroy their training camps and poppy fields with drones.
The politically correct spin is coming like a tidal wave. He is a crazy guy who happens to be a Muslim. All of that misses the point: he was disloyal to the United States, and said so openly and many times; yet he remained a commissioned officer of the United States. That is the point that is being overlooked. Whether the disloyalty is due to a psychotic episode or some other cause is not important.
Well said, worth repeating.
Information from: WWW.TheReligionofPeace.com
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2772 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4” butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was ‘Allah’s choice’, a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An ‘angry’ Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
10/6/2006 USA Louisville, KY 4 1 In an ‘honor’ attack, a Muslim man rapes and beats his estranged wife, leaving her for dead, then savagely murders their four children.
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine’s Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their ‘Western’ lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim with ‘religious motives’ shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too ‘Westernized.’ (10-20-09)
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
(3,308 killed by Muslims in America in 65 terror attacks)
The reason for Hasan’s disloyalty and the reason for Hasan’s apparent psychosis are one and the same, here. Islam.
Furthermore, the fact that this was overlooked, and Hasan remained a commissioned officer, is also due to the same reason. Islam.
Behaviors that would have resulted in the removal of any Christian or Jew were given a pass. These behaviors were consistent with those to which believers are exhorted in the Koran.
Authorities can cling to political correctness, and manufacture all the tortured interpretations in the world in an effort to get around these basic facts. But, facts they are.
I thought Jerry Pournelle was dead.
Initially, shortly after 9/11, it was tribes in Afghanistan. Writers were placing articles about Pashtun culture online, stories about sexual abuse of children being ‘accepted’ in that society, stories about children who steal from neighbors or family guests winning the approval of their fathers etc. I marveled at just how damaged a society could be.
I thought I had already read of depraved societies but this was different - where an entire village operates without empathy or lacks the inherent conscience to make them want to protect children from abuse. Around this time, ‘why do they hate us?’ was popular and I would listen to that and then look at these societies, so steeped in what must be mental illness from generations of life in an abusive barbaric society and wonder just what kind of conversation we were supposed to have with them. If they can’t comprehend that pedophilia is evil, that killing freely those who refuse to adopt your faith as their own is beneath human dignity etc, how would we ‘reason with them.’
To be able to reason, they need to hold the forces of societal sickness at bay. With protections in place to guard the ‘diversity’ of any culture, even if that diversity is a form of mental illness, means help is not headed their way. They must collide with decency somehow to escape this sickness. Otherwise, why would they even want to stop killing if they still felt it culturally acceptable. Mental illness as ‘cultural richness’. *sigh*
You nailed it, my friend.
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