Warning: This image was created on a cultish, left wing, commie macintosh computer.
Posted on 11/05/2009 6:18:44 AM PST by Sudetenland
The brand new 27" iMac is suffering from major problems with video graphics while Windows 7 operating on the same machines is working fine.
According to Apple bulletin boards, users started to notice that their Macs' pretty screens were running movies in browsers that were choppier than the North Sea in winter.
With no help from Apple, Mac Fans have been trying to piece together what could be causing such a kerfuffle. Initially the thought was that it was probably some cheap Chinese component which was failing or overheating.
However when Windows 7 appeared on the scene and users started installing it using Boot Camp, they discovered, much to their horror, that the Microsoft product was driving their iMacs better.
The conclusion can only be that it is a driver problem within Snow Leopard which is not controlling the big iMacs' graphics hardware properly.
But one user thought his 27" iMac was having major performance issues and not just with Flash. iPhoto slideshow transitions are choppy, Pandora streaming music skips and cracks up, game performance is slow, iMovie videos are crap (audio and video lags) - it's a real mess.
He said he had sat with Apple Care for hours, cleaned up libraries, zapped the PRAM, reinstalled the OS; but it's still not fixed. He thinks they are just defective.
MAybe they should call it “Snow Job(s)”.................
I was not aware that Windows could run on a Mac. Is this something recent or has it always been this way?
Macs suck.
The Mac world is like a cult. It doesn’t matter how awful they actually perform, those that are committed are extremely difficult if not impossible to see the light and truth - namely that Macs don’t actually work, they break down left and right, they are useless for the real world of business (oh wait, Macs are for artistes....).
Since Mac went with intel-based processors, I think.
I just bought the iMac27 last week, and it does suck. This is my first Mac, so I’m really disappointed.
Intel based Macs can run all Windows OS’s.
My own has XP.
I think it's been that way since Apple switched to Intel processors.
This would be great for a Mac vs. PC parody.
"Hi.....I'm........ Mac" "AndI'mAPC"
Give it a break. Your handle is “ConservativeDude”. Is that the most intelligent contribution you can bring to the table “dude”? Macs suck? That’s it “dude”?
HMMMM HMMMM...You say so. More ignorance spoken as truth. There are problems with the new iMacs as there were with the aluminum iMacs released in 2006. A driver fixed it in the past and it will fix it with these.
So why are Macs useless for business? I want to hear this one....
Apple has been including a cut down boot loader app called "Boot Camp" that allows you to partition your Mac to allow Linux or Windows to be installed on the new partition.
I'm currently typing this on the Snow Leopard side of my MacBook Pro. Last night, I had it on the Win 7 side playing with some of the power settings.
We recently have been planning on setting up a 30 seat, 27" iMac lab... This info is very good to know BEFORE I place the order with Apple.
I'll still probably order them though. For the screen alone they are almost worth it...
I have Windows 7 running on my ThinkPad and it rocks. I bought the ThinkPad after returning not one but two MacBook Pros. One had a big dent in the aluminum case and the other had a piece of dust or lint wedged in between the layers of glass on the screen. I think Apple’s quality control has gone way down in recent years. The ThinkPad had better specs anyway. Mac snobs can try and trash Windows 7, but the fact is that it is a great OS. Microsoft treats its customers with respect. They put out a free RC back in the summer so customers could try out Windows 7 at no cost. Apple treats is customers with contempt. They are secretive, closed, and want to control every aspect of what you do with your computer.
It. Just. Works?.....
Well, they're useless for my business... CAD/CAM and electronics. I need integrated schematic capture and PCB layout with SPICE, as well as FEA analysis of 3D modeling.
Now, if you load Windows on a Mac, then you can run these kinds of tools. If you stick with OS X, you can't. Which means you pay a lot of money for a platform that you may not need. A $400 Dell laptop with a second $200, 19" flat panel display is all I need for these kinds of apps, which means I can get up and running for a lot less than Mac hardware. And I don't have to pay for OS X.
Macs have their place, but they are limited from some areas of business. Hardware and mechanical engineering being two such areas.
If past trends continue, Macs will be some of, if not the, best Windows computers you can buy.
Warning: This image was created on a cultish, left wing, commie macintosh computer.
“Hi.....I’m........ Mac”
“AndI’mAPC”
“You know what you need Mac?”
“Wwwwwwhaaaaatt?”
“Windows 7! It will give you some pep! You can play some of those videos that run like watching grass grow, or some of those games you have always wanted to play”
“Thhhaaaatttsss nniiiccceeeee”
Odd since my firm has been running mostly on Macs (10 of them - upgraded as needed) for 6 years now. They have been completely trouble free and easy to maintain -- and virus resistant too, which is the main reason why I switched in the first place. All the counter measures you have to take on PCs cost me a bundle each month. I let my PC security service go when I bought my Macs. My employees are banned from using the Internet with Windows (which is used via VM Fusion when Mac s/w doesn't exist).
I might also mention Rush is a huge fan too... which is actually how I came to consider them. Is Rush the leader of the Mac cult or a follower?
The Mac world is like a cult. It doesn’t matter how awful they actually perform, those that are committed are extremely difficult if not impossible to see the light and truth - namely that Macs don’t actually work, they break down left and right, they are useless for the real world of business (oh wait, Macs are for artistes....).
LIBERALS suck.
The LIBERAL world is like a cult. It doesn’t matter how awful they actually perform, those that are committed are extremely difficult if not impossible to see the light and truth - namely that LIBERALISM doesn’t actually work, they break down left and right, they are useless for the real world of business (oh wait, LIBERALS are for diversity, multiculturalism, social justice, environmentalism, etc....). -------------------------------------------------
My reason for disliking Macs is much more personal than most.
It has to do with my opinion of my brother-in-law, who is a Mac devotee...
LIBERALS suck.
The LIBERAL world is like a cult. It doesn’t matter how awful they actually perform, those that are committed are extremely difficult if not impossible to see the light and truth - namely that LIBERALISM doesn’t actually work, they break down left and right, they are useless for the real world of business (oh wait, LIBERALS are for diversity, multiculturalism, social justice, environmentalism, etc....).
Well, about THAT we can find universal agreement around here, I would think......
>> Well, they’re useless for my business... CAD/CAM and electronics. I need integrated schematic capture and PCB layout with SPICE, as well as FEA analysis of 3D modeling.
I’ve tried this argument myself. Try finding an FPGA toolchain for the Mac, for instance.
The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!
>> It has to do with my opinion of my brother-in-law, who is a Mac devotee...
Does he look like the alacker in the Mac commercials too?
I run AVG Free; costs me nothing. Haven't had a virus or infection in over 2 years now. Even checks incoming e-mails for bad things, as well as hooks into Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, Adobe PDFs, Adobe Flash files, and lots of other files that can execute malicious code.
So, yeah, that $0 price tag sure is a solid reason to jump from PCs!
Nope - he’s not that good looking... LOL ;-P
The ability to run windows on Macs has been around for a while, not forever though:)
Yep. And the truth of the matter is, a modern 2 GHz processor with 3 GB or RAM will pretty much do any of this really hard-core engineering in real time, as fast as you can think. You don't need much more computing power than what a $300-$400 PC can buy.
And there isn't a single Mac out in that price range. Period.
The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!
For kicks, I ran my FEA package in a Windows VM on a Mac; at least 3 times slower. Now, with a native boot of Windows XP it was just as peppy as you would expect.
But then, why would I spend 3 times the price for the hardware and buy that unused copy of OS X? I really don't feel that bad running a laptop that doesn't have a glowing Apple logo on its top...
Is that why:
There is no consistent & easy way to do a clean install of Win 7 from an upgrade disk? (Even Windows Cheerleader Paul Thurrott of WinSupersite is frustrated by this).
You have to plug in a gazillion digit activation code on Win, and if you install new hardware, like a new HD, you have to activate again b/c Microsoft assumes you are a thief.
Win 7 Pro Upgrade is $200. $200 for a freaking upgrade OS. Even if you were a sucker and bought Vista - which every sane person agrees is a half backed OS unless you own a top-of-the-line machine.
>> You don’t need much more computing power than what a $300-$400 PC can buy.
Probably 80% of what I run are microprocessor toolchains, and of that, probably 90% of the time I spend in a simple text editor. It’s amazing how little resource I need, even for the compile. My circa ‘06 thinkpad R52 does just fine. I could be happy on a $50 used computer from Craig’s List. On the other hand, native toolchains for the Mac simply don’t exist!
The occasional FPGA compile is a totally different matter, mind you. :-)
>> I really don’t feel that bad running a laptop that doesn’t have a glowing Apple logo on its top...
Yeah, no style points. But who needs style points (he says as he sits typing in his sweat pants and dirty tee shirt) when you can get paid in real money.
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There is a lie unintentional, maybe, but still a lie. MS has always treated their customers badly. Windows7, if it works as hyped, is the only release they have ever had that wasn't so glitch ridden users had to wait for at least the first SP and usually the second or third. Sometimes nothing fixed it, ME and Vista spring to mind. He**, they wanted to make it so you couldn't buy their OS outright but had to rent it year to year. If you call that treating users with respect I feel sorry for you.
Both MS and Apple make good computers, which one you choose is a personal choice, I go with IBM(which is really what a windows machine is)because I have been using them since about 1984 and don't feel like switching over now.
I don't use them because I think MS has my welfare on their minds, any more than Apple has their users on their minds. Both of them are in the business to sell an OS(in Macs case both an OS and the hardware)and make a profit, something they both do well and I am glad of that. However, to think their main concern is keeping you happy, except to the extent you will buy their products, you are wrong.
If anyone has treated their customers with more contempt than MS I would like to know which company that is.
Example, first release of Win95, constant failure, MS blamed the users but finally had to admit it was Win95 and not the user, took them three service packs to fix it, then Win98, almost a repeat. ME I have alread mentioned, and again they blamed the customer not their shoddy programing and failed testing programs, ditto Vista. Windows7 is merely a Vista fix, this should be given to all previous Vista users free of charge but of course it won't be.
"I might also mention Rush is a huge fan too... which is actually how I came to consider them. Is Rush the leader of the Mac cult or a follower?"We have a winner here folks! The champion argument for using a Mac.
LOL!
MACS are fine, but MAC OWNERS are another issue. They are easily tweaked and soooo sensitive. So don't say anything bad about thier MACS, even if it is true, or they just go nuts.
Knowing Apple, it will be fixed and soon.
Actually you have it backwards. Say whatever you want about Macs, but when attacking the owners expect to be called on it.
“I’ve tried this argument myself. Try finding an FPGA toolchain for the Mac, for instance.
The Mac fanboyz have an answer though: “You can run a Windows VM in the mac!” ROFL!”
Yep ... heard that a million times ... pay a premium on the hardware so my computer looks pretty. Right now I am working at home on a PC with its side off and wires everywhere. I take pride in that :-).
I’m an FPGA designer as well. Just curious, is Xilinx running well on Windows 7? I am going to find out in a day or two here, but I need to get something out the door before I finish building my new PC.
PCB design is another thing that really isn’t available on the Mac. I know Eagle and a few other do offer it, but the “big” tools (Mentor, Cadence, Altium) don’t look like they’re ever going that route.
I’m no Windows fanboy, but I really don’t have the problems people seem to constantly complain about. I’ll admit Vista was a bust in that it really should have been nothing more than prettying up XP at a lower cost, but overall I really can’t say too much bad about it aside from Microsoft charging too much cash for it.
>> Just curious, is Xilinx running well on Windows 7?
No idea. I don’t have the nerve (or the time) to install Windows 7 and find out the hard way which of my programs don’t work. :-)
>> I’m no Windows fanboy, but I really don’t have the problems people seem to constantly complain about.
Ditto. XP running on a Wintel box is just a tool; for me, it happens to be the right tool. YMMV
Is the video chipset on an add-on card or built onto the motherboard?
Ugh... I used Rush as a tongue n’ cheek response to the idea that Mac is a cult (promoted by the poster I was responding too). The point being Rush is unlikely to be part of any cult. Sorry that was missed on you. I wasn’t using Rush as a reason to own a Mac. That would be as brilliant as voting based on how your favorite Hollyweird star votes.
I’m pretty sure Xilinx works on Windows 7; a buddy of mine does a lot of Xilinx FPGA dev and he hasn’t had a problem with his upgrades.
In fact, I have yet to find a single engineering tool that doesn’t run on Windows 7; even my old, DOS based 8051 dev tools still work, through the serial and parallel ports! With Mac, I would have had to buy upgrades of those tools with each significant OS roll; of course, I’d be out of luck considering these tools were obsoleted a decade ago by a company that went out of business 5 years ago... But my PC with the latest MS OS just keeps running.
And as far as schematic capture and PCB layout, I use EasyPC from Number One Systems and it works like a champ. I even loaded the original DOS version to try, and it works great (but version 11 for Windows is infinitely better).
Macs have their place; however, the marketplace has decided that it’s in a narrow niche, and Steve Jobs has decided that he’s happy with that! Witness the high cost of product (even though I’ve seen Macbooks roll off the same assembly lines that build Dells, Toshibas, and Sony laptops, down at Foxconn and Compal), and the constant breaking of backwards compatibility.
The reason Windows is so dominant is that you don’t have to buy everything new each major rev, like you do with the Mac OS. Backwards compatibility is THE KEY to Microsoft’s market domination, and the trouble with Vista (which was, actually, a stable OS even if it was a pain to use) showed just how much pain there is in forcing everyone to release new drivers.
Imagine the pain if the Win32 API was changed...
Mac people like to say “It just works”; yeah, as long as you buy the latest version of all your software. Microsoft folks can say “It still works...:)”
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