Posted on 11/04/2009 11:24:50 AM PST by RonnieFan
Two words… “Barbara Boxer,” the mental midget for whom no US surrender is too quick, no tax too high and no government program too big.
Sometimes the smart fight is the good fight and a partial victory better than a moral victory. California is not a red state or a purple state where a RHINO is a defeat. It is one of the bluest of the blue. BHO won California by 24% and 3,000,000 votes. BHO won here by more votes than the total votes cast in New Jersey last night! Boxer won her last race by 20%.
You may say… what about the recall of Gray Davis for the then conservative Arnold or Christie’s win in New Jersey last night…doesn’t that show a conservative can win in a liberal state? Sadly voters are much more likely to blame a politician at the executive level such as governor than at the congressional level. Many who voted for Arnold later voted for their liberal representatives in Washington and Sacramento.
More importantly, Boxer has a huge war chest already and is personally one of the wealthiest Senators in Washington. Besides loads of money, she’ll have the teachers and other powerful unions behind her. It will take a billionaire to beat her, even if that billionaire is a RINO.
I’ll do this even though I like everything I heard and read about Chuck DeVore. That’s because I live in a state that may make Jerry “moonbeam” Brown both the youngest and oldest governor to serve here.
Me too, another californian.
Senator, right?
Boxer is Senator wrong... about 100% of the times.
Two words. Juan McCain.
Sorry, I’ll stand with Chuck.
As usual with California politics I am in conflict. My views are much more closely aligned with Chuck DeVore than they are with Ms. Fiorina. However, I strongly question whether or not a little known assemblyman from Orange County has the enormous resources it will take to unseat an entrenched incumbent such as Boxer. Agreed Boxer is a liberal nitwit but then again so are the overwhelming majority of the people residing in this state.
I will probably do what I always have done through out my whole life: I will vote conservative in the primaries and Republican in the general election.
You can support who ever you wish. There will be a primary.
What I don’t like and I am sure that many here feel the same way is for the GOP Leadership to get behind one candidate or another. Pumping money into their favorite, GOP establishement
choice.
Let the people determine the nominee...not the hacks.
In that way, once a nominee is selected, it can rally around that nominee.
Arizona aint California. A RINO there or in places like the Carolinas or Dakotas is differnt.
Why are you supporting Fiorina for Governor, when she just announced she is running for Senate? Is there some meaning in your statement that I don’t get?
Christie is NOT conservative. HE’s moderate at best.
He is for lower taxes,regulation and spending though.
Just fyi
NY 23 was just plain wrong and required standing up against party bosses and the lack of a primary. But it was an anomalous situation. I don’t think I’d call Christie a Reagan Republican or pure conservative but I am glad he won.
If you’re going to vote for Fiorina, why not just as well vote for the democrat? There’s no difference in the two.
But why not use your effort to get the nationals to pump some money into DeVore and get a real conservative instead just another democrap (CPUSA) candidate? Then maybe DeVore would have a chance!
I did not say she running for governor, she’s seeking to challenger Boxer for her Senate seat. My discussion re governor was to point out that it is easier for a conservative win at the executive level than at the legislative level, which is one of the reasons I am more willing to support a RINO at the legislative (Senate) level.
But you miss the point. The GOP leadership has hand picked Carly, or at least Rubber Stamped her.
The National GOP leadership should not be involved until a nominee is picked. Then rally around that nominee.
Because the GOP has rubber stamped Carly, the conservative movement is coming to a race near you.
(And btw, she's running for Senate, not Gov. Sheesh....)
I saw what that hack did to HP. I saw how well she guided Juan McCain during the '08 election. I saw what she did to Lucent.
Carly's a no-good, Peter Principle-d, US jobs hating, greedy opportunist. NO NO NO! Go Chuck Devore!
Wow... now I really do not understand you.
Never mind.
If Californians vote their principals instead of doing what’s safe Chuck will win. We did what was safe with the Terminator & we got - PlasticLib. Chuck gets my vote!
“Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican” was not stated by Reagan, It was created by the GOP chairman because of all the attacks by fellow Republicans during the primary on Reagan. However, as Reagan stated, “It’s a rule I followed during that campaign and have ever since.”
Reagan also never picked on someone for being a democrat, liberal yes, RINO or democrat no. He understood that he needed the votes of the followers of RINOs and moderate democrats. As a former democrat himself, he loved saying, “I didn’t leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.” He knew he would never get Larry Liberal’s vote but could get Mary Moderate’s vote. He saw democrats as potential future Republicans and RINOS as potential future conservative. Insults did not expedite this process.
This is entirely the problem with the GOP- support the 'popular' choice no matter what. Doesn't matter what she stands for. As long as there's an R behind her name and she has a chance to win, vote for her.
No wonder we are where we are today. And with continued actions like this, the GOP will never have conservative roots again. Never.
You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal.
Fiorinna is the so called leader who got thouroughly PUNKED by the PUMAs.
She is the incompetent who lead the “victory” campaign.
She also screwed over compaq and HP during her stint(k)there.
Just another RINO
Your title shows confusion on your part. Fiorina is running for Senate not governor. And frankly I prefer Devore and will do EVERYTHING I can to make sure he wins. The state is not necessarily liberal. The central valley and other portions of the state have the capacity to derail Boxer but we need a strong no nonsense candidate. Carly ain’t it.
Frankly I would rather that someone like you stay home. You cannot even figure out what race she is in. And for the record those of us who really are conservative voted for McClintock in the recall. If you had done likewise The Schwarzenkennedy would not have been elected the first time
You are part of the problem
Look at your title nitwit
I’m still furious at the whole support Arnuld line. He hasn’t done anything for Cali let alone conservatives.
“You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream — the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order — or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, ‘The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.’” Ronald Wilson Reagan
Compare that to the “my way or the highway” mentality today. Reagan won two landslides. The first when he was consider a radical by his own party.
Reagan lost in the 1976 primary, quickly dismissed any talk of a 3rd party run and supported the ticket. Those bridges not burned in 1976 served him well in 1980.
to: the long march, touche. My bad. I’ll give you my excuse as soon as I can think of one.
I am sure Fiorino would be glad to learn that you’re supporting her for governor. But since she’s running for Senator then I don’t think she’ll take you up on the offer.
And read your Reagan quote again. If you think that applies to RINOs, you really don't have a clue.
Support DeVore and then we can be friends. It is a primary for goodness sake. Support the conservative
So, beating Boxer is more important than sticking to principles? Isn’t this how you got Arnold? And how we got Scozzofava in NY?
Winning no matter what. Sounds a lot like the donkey party to me.
I used to think that way. A couple of RINOS really took me to school, over time.
I hear ya. There is no longer an R after my name. Its a big, fat C.
Carly has no detectable personality except a dragging, negative, bad one; and no accomplishments, unless you count trashing HP then making off with a golden egg.
I worked at HP during the Carly Years. The employees had been positive, cheerful, hardworking, good folks. Every time she had a company-wide talk, shoulders slumped, and people crept about as if they’d lost a war. She was negative and whiny, and bad for the company.
AND she farmed off all the IT support to India, and Canada.
I am saying (A) I don’t think she’d be a good Senatrix, and (B) I don’t think she’d be a good candidate.
So tell me more about DeVore.
Rintense, glad to... How is Fiorina more liberal than Boxer? Would I prefer DeVore? Of course, but what chance does he have to win? Slim and none and slim is a stretch.
Would I love the homerun of replacing Boxer with a true conservation? Yes, but I want the best shot to beat Boxer. Boxer, is not a RINO, not a moderate or not even a liberal… she’s a radical. There are plenty of other places in 2010 where electing conservatives in the primary will result in the victory of conservatives in the general election. This is just not one of them.
Boxer is so bad she make McCain look like Reagan. Heck there’s probably 20 Democratic Senators I’d support to replace Boxer if it were possible and it would get rid of her.
Arnold was never a conservative...and neither is Miss eBAY.
I thought the Agilent spin-off was terrible. I use Agilent automated test equipment, and I find the lack of cohesion between the HP UNIX computer and the tester is one of my biggest headaches. I think Agilent dumped the HP box in it’s newer models.
I've got my CEO's mixed up........
My mistake.....
I think you forget that Chuck DeVore’s already BEEN elected in California and has quite an impressive record fighting against the democratic expansion of taxes and programs. I give Californians more credit maybe than you do.
This is not like NY-23 where Hoffman was a no-name, and the republican candidate endorsed the democrat. And Hoffman did come pretty close.
Again, what possible difference is there in having Fiorina or Boxer? NONE! Your time is better spent trying to get the nationals to pump some money into DeVore so he can compete!
How is she more conservative than Devore is the question you need to ask yourself.
It would depend for me on how “republican” she actually was. If she’s a 70% or 80% republican, I think in California that would be good, especially if she’s a good fiscal conservative and will vote against health care and cap and trade.
But once you get below that 70% number, I wonder whether giving the democrats a “bipartisan” vote is worth it.
Carly Fiorina = Epic fail.
“So, beating Boxer is more important than sticking to principles?” Electing someone more conservative than Boxer (which is just about anyone) is principled. If someone more conservative than Fiorina with a legitimate chance of winning jumps in the race, I’ll support them in the primary. To me DeVore is not that person; he has neither the name recognition nor finance to take on Boxer.
Principals and pipe dreams are two different thinks.
Again, there are plenty of races coming up where conservatives can win in the primary and in the general election. This just is not one of them.
“Winning no matter what. Sounds a lot like the donkey party to me.” Considering on virtually every survey I’ve seen the DEMS are and have been on the wrong side of every major issue, they’ve done okay in pushing their agenda
Will Rogers said, “I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.” It seems finding ways to get persons that don’t agree 100% with each other to nevertheless go a long, works.
Paul Horcher ring any bells for you, Ronnie?
“RINOs always stab you in the back, especially when you need them the most. I’ll take a Dem over that.” Really?
There are plenety of RINOs in the senate, yet only one has partially left the reservation on Obamacare. If a couple of those RINOS were DEMS, it would be law.
We don’t know that. You are taking a committee vote and extrapolating it upon the whole Senate.
Answer my question about Paul Horcher.
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