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Free Republic | 10-31-2009 | Danae

Posted on 10/31/2009 12:47:11 PM PDT by Danae

Isn't this interesting....

I am on the west coast, in Oregon. And those who know me, know I have been doing a lot of writings in the last year that have been ...critical... of Obama to the say the very least. I have been investigating his British Birth, and making inquires at the Hawaiian Department of Health with UIPA requests.

Last night while playing an online game (WOW) my husband noticed his latency just shoot through the roof. From 71 to about 340 ms. After resetting the modem a couple of times, he got angry enough to call Verizon and sit on hold for a tech support person to figure out what was going on.

Well... it turns out that we have been re-routed to the East Coast as our main hub to the internet. Specifically in the area of Fredricksburg Virgina. Not to mention our upload and download rates are down to 1 meg from where it should be at 20 M/sec. Here is the interesting part, the Tech guy COULD NOT RE-SET IT EITHER. It keeps resolving to the East Coast router. Mr. Tech Guy had never seen that before and was embarrassed as to why it would be happening at all.

Verizon is looking into it, and says they will get back to us in 24 hours.

Koinkidink?

What do you think?


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; government; internet
Anyone else experiencing anything like this? Or is it just Verizon's crappy customer service?
1 posted on 10/31/2009 12:47:11 PM PDT by Danae
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To: Danae

SIGINT


2 posted on 10/31/2009 12:52:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: Danae

I have Quest DSL and sometimes it seems to be a bit slow. I thought Esculon only recorded the stuff and not slowed it down.


3 posted on 10/31/2009 12:52:52 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Danae

It’s just Verizon.


4 posted on 10/31/2009 12:55:09 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Danae

No conspiracy here, it’s just bad technical support.

Be glad you don’t use Comcast, they’re even worse.


5 posted on 10/31/2009 12:55:56 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Thats what I am thinkin. I got turned in LOL. Not like I wasn’t being overtly public or anything.... LOL

http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner


6 posted on 10/31/2009 12:57:38 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Terpfen

I used to have Comcast. Verizon is worse, by an order of magnitude.

Seriously, just to pay a bill or get a question answered or resolved can take two to three hours. Outta hand.

But this is different. The tech Guy tried to re-route us from his location, and COULD NOT do it. Thats what made my eyebrows go up.


7 posted on 10/31/2009 12:59:17 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
Well... it turns out that we have been re-routed to the East Coast as our main hub to the internet. Specifically in the area of Fredricksburg Virgina. Not to mention our upload and download rates are down to 1 meg from where it should be at 20 M/sec. Here is the interesting part, the Tech guy COULD NOT RE-SET IT EITHER.
Sounds like maybe a core network issue; maybe an upgrade or a not-so-graceful recovery from a major fault in the network somewhere. The temporary re-routing might be thottling the traffic/throughput down to a manageable size ...
8 posted on 10/31/2009 1:00:21 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: mountainlion

Just depends I suppose. I am on the west coast, and we are getting routed to a hub in Virginia, that takes time, and its noticeable. If we were getting re-routed to something in Seattle or even Las Vegas, likely we never would have known. But we got re-routed with out our knowledge, usually that takes someone in Verizin headquarters to do that, and usually at a customer request, or the customer does it by doing a Hard Reset of their own Router. Neither of those things happened. So... why would we get switched, and where did the order come from to cause it to happen?

Inquiring suspicious minds want to know.

/tin-foil moment for at least 5 min. I need more coffee.


9 posted on 10/31/2009 1:02:35 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

No reason for eyebrows to go up. It just means network wires are crossed, probably due to maintenance somewhere along the line.


10 posted on 10/31/2009 1:02:49 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: _Jim

Yep, that is the logical Tech explanation. And the guy looked into it, knowing that it had to be on their end. However, he could find no reason why that would happen. Afterall, there are a LOT of people in this neighborhood with Verizon FIOS. Funny how it would only be happening to one customer. And why the East coast which is bound to kill speed and through-put?

The guy was really embarrassed I guess because he could not answer any of those questions. Hubby knows the right ones to ask.


11 posted on 10/31/2009 1:05:14 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

my favorite blog gets hits from some very interesting places, including dc and va.


12 posted on 10/31/2009 1:06:09 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Fight for it or lose it.)
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To: _Jim

I forgot.... from 20 Meg to 1 Meg..... yea, thats some throttling alright..... >.<


13 posted on 10/31/2009 1:06:09 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Terpfen

Which would be the most logical conclusion and one that I hope is right.

But, if that is the case, why would we be the only ones in the area with this problem? There are lots of customers of FIOS here...


14 posted on 10/31/2009 1:09:36 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Which one is that?


15 posted on 10/31/2009 1:11:12 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
The guy was really embarrassed I guess because he could not answer any of those questions. Hubby knows the right ones to ask.
There are some questions that only network engineering can answer; some guy at the tech desk isn't going to know the system's routing, architecture etc ... in some cases, there are only a couple people in the whole company that could answer those questions without making some phone calls ...
16 posted on 10/31/2009 1:13:24 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Danae
I forgot.... from 20 Meg to 1 Meg..... yea, thats some throttling alright..... >.<
Destination specfic? Or all services?
17 posted on 10/31/2009 1:14:28 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Danae
Isn't Langley Virginia some intelligence center of some sort? I am not paranoid because I have been monitored for years.
18 posted on 10/31/2009 1:16:14 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Danae

Sounds like the feds.

Get a new carrier.


19 posted on 10/31/2009 1:20:24 PM PDT by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: Danae

Anything is possible but for a moment ponder the following statement and rate it on the following scale:

1) That is so outrageous, I can’t believe anyone would even entertain that thought.

2) Interesting thought but I’ve never heard of anyone experiencing anything like it.

3) Wow, the last tech guy I spoke to didn’t know what he was talking about either.

And the sentence you are to rate is:

Just another incompetent tech adviser covering his own behind with lots of words that don’t help solve the problem.


20 posted on 10/31/2009 1:23:48 PM PDT by concentric circles
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To: devistate one four
Sounds like the feds.

Get a new carrier.

About as subtle as 'clicks' heard on a party line; I don't think so Tim ...
21 posted on 10/31/2009 1:26:37 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Danae
Afterall, there are a LOT of people in this neighborhood with Verizon FIOS.
Ahhhh ... can I make a suggestion?

Get one of the neighbors to ping and tracert (traceroute) a couple agreed-upon sites and compare the 'routes' rendered from your and their computers ...

22 posted on 10/31/2009 1:29:25 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Danae

I blame World of Warcraft. But then again, I don’t like any of Blizzard’s games, so I’m biased. :)


23 posted on 10/31/2009 1:48:01 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Um.... consulting memory.... putting on tinfoil hat... searching for the website....googling "technician affadavit cisco network government surveillance".... Hmph. Calling a buddy who gave me the link. Waiting for him to return my call. While waiting, I looked at the search results and found: http://www.crypto.com/papers/

One of our first efforts is a comprehensive analysis of the wiretapping technologies used by law enforcement (for both voice and data). We have found serious exploitable weaknesses in fielded interception systems. For details, including audio demos of novel eavesdropping countermeasures, see the wiretapping web page here: http://www.crypto.com/papers/wiretapping/

Then I found (at http://www.crypto.com/papers/wiretap.pdf )this:
1.3.1 Detection Perhaps the most prominently considered threat against eavesdropping systems is detection. Surreptitious interceptions are thought to produce better intelligence than those that are not. There is a vibrant, if occasionally somewhat disreputable, “technical surveillance and countermeasures” (TSCM) industry fueling both sides of a bugging and bug-detecting arms race. Wiretap systems that depend on direct metallic connection to the local loop (such as loop extender systems) are potentially susceptible to detection by a range of means. A tapping device that is installed at or near a subject’s premises might be noticed in a physical inspection. Depending on the circuitry used, taps that change the transmission characteristics of the line can sometimes be discovered electronically, e.g., through sensitive loss measurements or time domain reflectometry. Taps might also be exposed through penetration of telephone company information systems or facilities, e.g., via rogue insider access, computer compromise, or physical burglary. Loop extenders marketed to law enforcement agencies usually have a relatively innocuous physical appearance and high impedance circuitry, although, depending on how and where they are installed, an expert may still be able to detect their presence.

Similar vulnerabilities exist in digital Internet eavedropping systems as well: E. Cronin, M. Sherr, and M. Blaze. "The Eavedsdropper's Dilemma." Technical Report MS-CIS-05-24. University of Pennsylvania. 2005. http://www.crypto.com/papers/internet-tap.pdf

Now for some history. Is it credible? I don't know. But my friend called back with the website name: Electronic Frontier Foundation.

A technician recounts under oath the modifications he made at a switching station under direction of his boss's boss or something. It was confidential and etc. Here it is:
http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/KleinDecl-Redact.pdf

And finally, just a news item from March 2009. It did not mean much then, but now.... who knows?
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22057083-Re-FBI-raids-office-of-DC-CTO-Obama-appointee

24 posted on 10/31/2009 2:18:55 PM PDT by txnuke (Obama votes "PRES__ENT" because he has no ID.)
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To: _Jim

Everything.


25 posted on 10/31/2009 2:26:37 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: txnuke

Thats really interesting, in particular that Northern Calif case. Well, this doesn’t surprise me. There is precident for “someones” in making the company x change their routing. Who woulda thought that? LOL (Sigh)


26 posted on 10/31/2009 2:32:11 PM PDT by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Sounds like a room 641A with a Narius setup

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A


27 posted on 10/31/2009 5:53:18 PM PDT by krogers58
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To: txnuke

CALEA, not one mention of the facilities CALEA interfaces offer for ‘wiretapping’ and sniffing intel from today’s switches and routers as found in modern telco/internet backbone plants ...


28 posted on 10/31/2009 11:08:32 PM PDT by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Danae
I don't use Verizon Danae, but sometimes when I check my internet connection I notice that at times (especially in winter) it travels an interesting route. It could be weather. Sometimes trunks are down.

Another way I look at is: NOTHING is private -- not the internet, not email, nothing.

So, with that in mind, instead of one of those boring "about me" bios; I made a welcome message for some of my web pages.



Works for me.

30 posted on 11/01/2009 5:52:53 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

Corrected clickable link in post no. 30.


31 posted on 11/01/2009 6:02:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Danae
My favorite blog.
32 posted on 11/03/2009 8:09:36 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (Fight for it or lose it.)
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