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America's Booming White Enclaves
Time ^ | 10-12-09 | Randy James

Posted on 10/13/2009 9:25:23 AM PDT by onehitfrag

Let's start with the title of your book — what is a Whitopia, exactly? It's more than just a place where a lot of white people happen to live. Absolutely. A Whitopia has three things. First, it has posted more 6% population growth since 2000. The second thing is that the majority of that growth — upwards of 90% — comes from white migrants. The third thing a Whitopia has is an ineffable social charm — a pleasant look and feel.

You say many Whitopias offer a high quality of life, and tend to perform well on those "Best Places to Live" lists that run in magazines. Do you think people are also drawn to these places specifically by their whiteness?

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"What is the danger Whitopias pose to America as a whole?"

1 posted on 10/13/2009 9:25:24 AM PDT by onehitfrag
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To: onehitfrag

wow. This thread is gonna get ugly sarcastic FAST!


2 posted on 10/13/2009 9:27:19 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Blueflag
Not available on DVD:


3 posted on 10/13/2009 9:30:03 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: onehitfrag
This is the problem Section 8 housing was designed to resolve.

Once HUD spots them, these evil white people will have their fair share of drive-by shootings and sexual assaults in no time.


As Program Moves Poor to Suburbs, Tensions Follow - NYTimes.com

American Murder Mystery



4 posted on 10/13/2009 9:31:01 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: onehitfrag

OK ...

Where I live in suburban Atlanta is a racially, ethnically and nationality-of-origin diverse area.

We have Korea-topias, and hispana-topias, and nearly-white-topias. But we have NO lily-white-topias.

Our street is classic American suburbia. Two-story brick front 3/4/5 bedroom homes. sidewalks. well-kept yards. too many cars in the house for the garage (teen drivers). DAMN LITTLE real crime anywhere near. good public schools. involved parents. peace, essentially.

oh, and within 10 houses on either side of the street, we have natives of every occupied continent except Australia; all skin colors; several native languages.

WHAT is wrong with that?


5 posted on 10/13/2009 9:32:37 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: onehitfrag

>> The major draw to Whitopia is that they’re safe communities with good public schools and beautiful natural resources. Those qualities are subconsciously inseparable from race in many Americans’ minds.

In a Whitopia, a “school board” makes decisions about schools.

In Chicago, a “school board” is what homies use to beat each other to death with after school.

Am I on the right track?


6 posted on 10/13/2009 9:33:14 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Blueflag

Instead of being so obsessed with “whitopias”, “teabaggers” and Consevatives, why doesn’t this guy spend some effort to improve the “blachaos”?


7 posted on 10/13/2009 9:33:25 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: onehitfrag

Pretty much what I’d thought it would be, another liberal media template bemoaning what a racist bigoted place America is. The truth : people not spoiled by “the state must provide for me” mentality tend to be white, so places without that criminal mindset tend toward white.


8 posted on 10/13/2009 9:33:58 AM PDT by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Blueflag
FTFA: The major draw to Whitopia is that they're safe communities with good public schools and beautiful natural resources. Those qualities are subconsciously inseparable from race in many Americans' minds.

So if you want to live in a safe community, with good public schools and beautiful natural resources . . . you're a racist!!!
9 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:04 AM PDT by rockvillem
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To: onehitfrag

This idiot thinks that some how on;y white folks want a nice safe environment in which to raise their children and have a little peace and quiet. I guess that makes one a racist or something


10 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:34 AM PDT by the long march
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To: onehitfrag
When non-blacks make up about 88% of the population how can there not be "Whitopias"? There just aren't enough blacks to go around. That's a fact...
11 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:35 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: NTHockey

because the three topics you mention are the ROOT CAUSE of blachaos????

It’s **YOUR** fault!!!


12 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:54 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: onehitfrag
I must be getting soft in my old age. I made to the end of this paragraph before I said phuque you Time and stopped reading.

From the article: What is the danger Whitopias pose to America as a whole?

You can call me old-fashioned, but I'm an integrationist. A democracy can't function at its optimum unless all members are integrated as full members. A community full of like-minded people tends to enforce their own view of the world and closes off opposing viewpoints. You can go to parties in New York City where the liberal smugness is intolerable, because they're only hearing liberal viewpoints. On the Whitopian conservative side, it's spinning out of control. Look at the teabagger movement, where people are concerned their taxes are going to be wasted on minorities and illegal immigrants. Same with the movement that says Obama is not a citizen. (See pictures of the tea-party protests.)

13 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:55 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: onehitfrag
On the Whitopian conservative side, it's spinning out of control. Look at the teabagger movement, where people are concerned their taxes are going to be wasted on minorities and illegal immigrants. Same with the movement that says Obama is not a citizen.

This guy is a racist, but he thinks it's OK for him to be a racist, therefore he must be black.

14 posted on 10/13/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Ask not what the Kennedys can do for you, but what you can do for the Kennedys.)
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To: rockvillem
So if you want to live in a safe community, with good public schools and beautiful natural resources . . . you're a racist!!!

I live in Idaho, does that make me a racist?

15 posted on 10/13/2009 9:35:58 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

But is it your own private Idaho?


16 posted on 10/13/2009 9:37:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Blueflag
Seems like if you can have it there,we can have it anyplace.Unfortunately the left will see to it that it will never happen.
They can't survive without dissention and inequality.
Everything has to be perfect.
They didn't get the memo that life,and people,are not and can never be perfect.
But they'll destroy as much of this country as they can to get it that way....for our own good.
17 posted on 10/13/2009 9:37:29 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee (And the people cry "Sarah!Sarah!" And she hears....yes,she hears......)
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To: dfwgator

No, I share it with a few other people.


18 posted on 10/13/2009 9:39:13 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: onehitfrag

One has to wonder - when is this kind of crap going to end? We were told Barack Obama would transcend race, ending its use as a social issue.

Well, in my view, the use of race as a bludgoen, a cudgel, has got much worse in the USA since Obama was elected POTUS.

I’m sick of it!


19 posted on 10/13/2009 9:39:13 AM PDT by astounded (The democrat party is a clear and present danger to the USA)
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To: dfwgator

Underground, Like a wild potato!


20 posted on 10/13/2009 9:42:03 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: onehitfrag

My community could be considered a Whitopia, but the fact is, our neighborhood has several black families, several families from India, a couple of mixed Anglo-Latino families (including yours truly).

What we all share are common values, it’s not about race, never has been.


21 posted on 10/13/2009 9:42:08 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: onehitfrag
People with black skin do no harm to any area, and it would be un-American to try to exclude them.

People who adopt Black Culture do no good to any area, and it is just good sense to go to areas where such a debased culture has not taken hold.

22 posted on 10/13/2009 9:42:23 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: onehitfrag

People like to live around people that are like themselves in a variety of different ways. Why is this so hard to comprehend...oh, ‘cause we’re talking about the white devils. Never mind.


23 posted on 10/13/2009 9:43:53 AM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: onehitfrag

He lost me with “tea baggers.”

As an aside, my wife is a Reservation-raised American Indian, smarter than me, and actually payed attention in college instead of playing football and drinking beer like me.

She wants to move to the Villages in Florida. She calls it a Reservation for old people, but with golf and no liberals.


24 posted on 10/13/2009 9:44:01 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: onehitfrag
About the author - Angry pillow biter alert.

Randy James was born and raised in New Jersey and currently lives in Highland Park. He began his training at Rutgers University as a Dance and Theater major. In May 2002 he received the New Jersey Governor's Award in Arts Education. The NJSCA/Department of State honored him with a Choreography Fellowship in recognition of his artistic excellence and recently named him "Distinguished Teaching Artist". He has been a guest artist at various institutions nationally and internationally including ADF, Jacob's Pillow, Bates Dance Festival, London Contemporary Dance Theatre, International Contemporary Dance Conference and Performance Festival in Poland, Tage des Tanzes in Germany and Austria, Fine Five School in Estonia, Via Danse in Latvia, among others. James is currently the Artistic Director of Randy James Dance Works as well as Assistant Professor in the Dance Department at Mason Gross School of the Arts, Rutgers University. Cleo Mack earned her BFA in dance from Mason Gross School of the Arts, Rutgers University, where she was the recipient of the ACDFA/Dance Magazine Award for Outstanding Student Choreography. She was selected by Dance Magazine as one of “25 to watch in 2002”. Her work has been shown at DTW’s “Fresh Tracks”, the Kennedy Center in Washington D.C., P.S.1 Contemporary Dance Center, George Street Playhouse presented by Terra Firma Dance Theatre, Judson Church for Movement Research, and the Hungarian/American Dance Festival in Hungary. She is currently the director of dance at the Purnell School and Artistic Director of the Cleo Mack Dance Project.

source: http://www.masongross.rutgers.edu/runy/runy04_dance_1.html

25 posted on 10/13/2009 9:44:24 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: onehitfrag

I’m certainly not going to buy this jerk’s book. Anybody have a list of the “Whitopias”? ‘Cause they sound like heaven to me.


26 posted on 10/13/2009 9:45:24 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: onehitfrag
Look at the teabagger movement

Boy, talk about blowing your whole credibility with one word. It's analogous to me writing a book on black neighborhood and referring to the residents as "coons".

That being said, it's not about race (no surprise this race obsessed/racist liberal took that away from his experience). It's about culture.

I don't care what color a person is, I care about their values, mores, behavior, etc.

I have blacks, asians, and latinos on my block, and I couldn't care less. The neighbors I want off the block are the white members of the Pagan Motorcycle Club. They're the ones who don't work, don't keep up their house, come and go at all hours of the night, etc. They don't share my culture.

27 posted on 10/13/2009 9:46:22 AM PDT by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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From the article:

What is the danger Whitopias pose to America as a whole? You can call me old-fashioned, but I'm an integrationist. A democracy can't function at its optimum unless all members are integrated as full members.

Danger? Why does it pose any danger? Because of those high white-on-white crime rates and gang activities?

A community full of like-minded people tends to enforce their own view of the world and closes off opposing viewpoints. You can go to parties in New York City where the liberal smugness is intolerable, because they're only hearing liberal viewpoints. On the Whitopian conservative side, it's spinning out of control. Look at the teabagger movement, where people are concerned their taxes are going to be wasted on minorities and illegal immigrants. Same with the movement that says Obama is not a citizen. (See pictures of the tea-party protests.)

OMG, where to start? Does not integration mean like-mindedness? And whenever the term teabag(ers, ing), pops up, sound the girlieman alert.

Time magazine is a real danger to America (the America my forefathers knew and made great).

28 posted on 10/13/2009 9:47:16 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: onehitfrag

All people are welcome in these areas, provided that they act like honest, hard-working, law-abiding non-violent civilized people. Their physical appearance is irrelevant.


29 posted on 10/13/2009 9:47:35 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Blueflag

Nope, it’s their own fault. I refuse to accept blame for their predicament.


30 posted on 10/13/2009 9:47:49 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: DogBarkTree

Miss Morford wannabe.


31 posted on 10/13/2009 9:51:11 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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To: onehitfrag

32 posted on 10/13/2009 9:52:09 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: onehitfrag

Randy, I don’t interfere with your life, so please don’t interfere with mine. I live in a nice, relatively peaceful multiethnic suburb. Please don’t ruin it, like you leftist bastards ruin everything else.


33 posted on 10/13/2009 9:53:02 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: onehitfrag

You see, to a leftist moron, white people create a problem just by living their lives.


34 posted on 10/13/2009 9:55:38 AM PDT by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: dfwgator

Bump and +1


35 posted on 10/13/2009 9:56:33 AM PDT by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: rockvillem

‘white migrants’ ????


36 posted on 10/13/2009 9:56:43 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: onehitfrag

...but we already knew all whites are racist, sexist, homophobic and bigoted. They’re not telling us anything new.


37 posted on 10/13/2009 10:06:01 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: onehitfrag

We just do not like the crime, the trash, the stupidity, the taxes etc. TOO BAD!


38 posted on 10/13/2009 10:07:16 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: the long march
This idiot thinks that some how only white folks want a nice safe environment in which to raise their children and have a little peace and quiet. I guess that makes one a racist or something.

There is no reason that the inner city communities can't be better places to live than is currently the case. It is all about behavior and making an effort to lead a decent life. The inner city neighborhoods used to be nice, but government meddling and the influence of the drug/gang culture have combined to turn many neighborhoods into war zones. I don't blame any person, white or otherwise, for wanting to get as far away from this grabage as is possible.

39 posted on 10/13/2009 10:11:41 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The DemocRat Party is no longer an American political party.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
“provided that they act like honest, hard-working, law-abiding non-violent civilized people.”

THAT is discrimination! Profiling alert!
We mainly live in one of these areas with some sprinkling of others. We moved here a year ago, after the Katrina evacuees moved into our area of Houston. My wife would not go unaccompanied to the grocery store or do other local shopping. Break-ins, shootings and murders all around our neighborhood. The apartments absorbed many New Orleans folks and the crime rate became too much.

40 posted on 10/13/2009 10:14:01 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
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To: onehitfrag

America’s Booming White Enclaves

50+ years ago that was pretty much across this nation and what made America great. Now we have diverse slums, peublos and thugocracies to be oh so proud of. When whites finally get a belly full of being told just how awful they are for being white this country is going implode.


41 posted on 10/13/2009 10:14:29 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Nea Wood
I live in a Town, actually a Village, in NH, Lilly White. Little crime, everyone is armed to the teeth, people are active in Town Government.

If I want to yell at my State Rep, she lives five houses down. We have an Eight man police force, five part timers and a very active Volunteer Fire Department and a lot of people that like to speak their minds at Town Meetings.

The problem is the Massholes and other foreigners that want recreate the Mass Mythical in NH.

42 posted on 10/13/2009 10:15:12 AM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: DogBarkTree

Author Rich Benjamin

43 posted on 10/13/2009 10:16:40 AM PDT by onehitfrag
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To: onehitfrag

I live in one and it prospers for the reason folks here probably can’t face.

Tough..


44 posted on 10/13/2009 10:18:07 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Fledermaus

I think they are talking about where we CHOOSE to live.


45 posted on 10/13/2009 10:18:44 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Nea Wood

I visited Boise, ID about 15 years ago when I was looking to leave California. It was a beautiful place. While I was wandering around the shopping mall I felt like there was something weird going on. Finally I noticed there were no black people. None! All of the communities I visited were well cared for and everyone was very friendly. One of the reasons I chose not to move there was the constant warnings that this or that neighborhood was Mormon and I would not be welcomed there. So white isn’t always as good as it seems.


46 posted on 10/13/2009 10:20:01 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: wardaddy

What do you want to bet the author lives in a whitopia?


47 posted on 10/13/2009 10:22:57 AM PDT by Texas resident ( Doing my part to piss off the heathen left.)
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To: BubbaBasher
I chose not to move there was the constant warnings that this or that neighborhood was Mormon and I would not be welcomed there. So white isn’t always as good as it seems.
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I have non-Mormon friends who live in Utah and they get along great with their Mormon neighbors. They are well accepted.

But...If you're not into wholesome and inexpensive entertainment, if you insist on social events with smoking and alcohol, if you don't like kids, yeah, probably you won't have much in common with them to build a friendship regardless of the religion.

But...If you have an open mind to attending their smoke and alcohol free, kid-filled, church and social functions which are open to all, you would get along great, and would make many warm friendships.

48 posted on 10/13/2009 10:36:11 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: BubbaBasher

I had the same feeling while visiting Olympia, Washington once. I saw a white guy doing landscaping. I’m so used to seeing Latinos doing that kind of work, my friend and I literally did a double-take.


49 posted on 10/13/2009 10:39:22 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: BubbaBasher
One of the reasons I chose not to move there was the constant warnings that this or that neighborhood was Mormon and I would not be welcomed there. So white isn’t always as good as it seems.
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My husband and I ( who are not Mormon) visit Utah often to ski and visit friends. I sometimes joke that Utah is like vanilla ice cream...white and sweet! :-)

We love it, and as I posted previously, our non-Mormon friends who live there get along great with their Mormon neighbors and have made many, many friendships there. It's like any other place. If you don't share similar interests and values there isn't much basis for building a friendship.

50 posted on 10/13/2009 10:40:57 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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