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Daily Auto Briefs (Toyota/Ford to top GM Sales, deal to save Saturn collapses)
Based on Detroit News, Autobeat Daily summaries ^ | 10/01/2009 | Me

Posted on 10/01/2009 5:31:51 AM PDT by Liberty1970

Some significant items worth sharing in the automotive field today:

Roger Penske has backed out of a deal to buy Saturn from GM at the last moment. Penske was unable to finalize a deal with Renault to sell vehicles produced at Renault factories in the coming years (GM had agreed to keep producing Saturns for Penske for the first few years). GM had said the Penske deal would save 13000 jobs. There is no indication of a backup plan now for Saturn, it sounds like it will be dead in about a year.

In other news, the head of the GM team designing the high-profile Volt plug-in electric vehicle has left for consulting work. The news summary commented that this could be an example of how government controls on wages are driving high-profile talent to greener pastures.

IHS Global Insight predicts that GM will drop below Ford and Toyota in U.S. sales in the next few years. And Hyundai-Kia will pass Chrysler. They also anticipate the market recovering to 17.3 million sales by 2015 (roughly where it was a few years ago).

Auto incentives on new car sales are rising again. No surprise there, as dealers are struggling to sell cars again as the cash-for-clunkers program has ended.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: auto; ford; gm; toyota
It will be interesting to see the Sept. sales reports come out in the next two days, in the wake of the C4C program ending. Things still seem to be humming along better than before among suppliers and automakers, but I don't have a long-term warm fuzzy about that yet.
1 posted on 10/01/2009 5:31:53 AM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: Liberty1970

Fox had a piece on the sales for September last night, predicted down 40% over the C4C August bullcrap.


2 posted on 10/01/2009 5:33:47 AM PDT by Tarpon (Oba-Mao is a reader, not a leader ...)
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To: Liberty1970

Who can blame Penske for backing out? If he’s not an Obama supporter, any car company he owns is screwed.

BTW, do Saturn employees belong to the UAW?


3 posted on 10/01/2009 5:36:22 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: Liberty1970
There are a couple of SUVs I like from GM, but I refuse to buy from Obama motors. I feel like it's my patriotic duty to avoid purchasing from GM.
4 posted on 10/01/2009 5:40:16 AM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: Chains you can believe in!)
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To: caver

So that bald black guy in that shiny green silk shirt that was talking all high and mighty bout how great Saturn was and how the critics were wrong...was a liar?

ROTFLMAO!


5 posted on 10/01/2009 5:40:19 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Liberty1970
If Saturn dies, does that mean a large mass of over-compensated under-performing union parasites dies as well? Maybe there's a silver lining to this cloud.

With every car maker or dealership that goes out of business or gets put out of business by Obama fiat, the long-term prospects for the remaining ones improve. However, because of government meddling, the process is being decided largely according to political criteria--not consumer choice.

6 posted on 10/01/2009 5:41:14 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Liberty1970
If Saturn dies, does that mean a large mass of over-compensated under-performing union parasites dies as well? Maybe there's a silver lining to this cloud.

With every car maker or dealership that goes out of business or gets put out of business by Obama fiat, the long-term prospects for the remaining ones improve. However, because of government meddling, the process is being decided largely according to political criteria--not consumer choice.

7 posted on 10/01/2009 5:41:25 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: caver

All the Saturn plants are UAW, including Spring Hill, TN.


8 posted on 10/01/2009 5:41:30 AM PDT by OKSooner ("He's quite mad, you know." - Sean Connery to Honor Blackman in "Goldfinger".)
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To: Liberty1970

Auto wholesalers I talk to tell me that Saturns basically never have mechanical problems even at ten or twelve years old. The Saturn was an exceptionally good car.


9 posted on 10/01/2009 5:43:57 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: icwhatudo

I’ve seen that commercial. He probably needs to look for another job.

Just got back from vacation. The rental car company gave us a Saturn Vue to drive for a week. My wife and I both hated that vehicle.


10 posted on 10/01/2009 5:49:08 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: behzinlea
If Saturn dies, does that mean a large mass of over-compensated under-performing union parasites dies as well? Maybe there's a silver lining to this cloud.

Would that it were true. It just means that you'll be feeling THEIR pain via wealth "redistribution". It appears that if you're a loser who habitually makes poor decisions, then the government guarantees that the results of your poor planning will be shared by those who made good decisions in their lives.

11 posted on 10/01/2009 5:50:35 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: caver

“Who can blame Penske for backing out? If he’s not an Obama supporter, any car company he owns is screwed.”

I’ve met Roger a few times. Seems to me that he’s not real political. He has a Rolodex full of politicians on both sides.

“BTW, do Saturn employees belong to the UAW?”

Yes.


12 posted on 10/01/2009 6:06:17 AM PDT by TWohlford
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To: wendy1946

It is a good car. As I comment on this post, I’m a salesman at a Saturn dealership. I guesd I should be looking for a job, not on FR. Anyways, Saturn has a loyal customer base but failed to make a car that was attractive or sexy. Flat towable and reliable yes. Fun to drive and flattering no.


13 posted on 10/01/2009 6:19:31 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Liberty1970
Saturn was a good idea to begin with, but management became obsessed with stupid business fads, business buzzwords etc, instead of focused on designing cars, improving the manufacturing process etc....it was destined to fail when a large percentage to employee time was spent watching new-age Franklin Covey instead of building cars.
14 posted on 10/01/2009 6:32:26 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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To: goseminoles

Sorry to hear about your misfortune, then. :-( I hope it turns out a blessing for you in the long run.


15 posted on 10/01/2009 7:37:31 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: Liberty1970

I have a used Saturn that was made before the government got into the business — 1999. I am really sad to see this. Wish Ford would pick them up.

PS. I love the Saturn; good gas mileage, good handling, good everything. Insurance is less. Maintenance is less.

What to do?


16 posted on 10/05/2009 9:29:13 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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