Astronaut Edgar Mitchell makes news about UFO’s and Extraterrestrials.

[RoloSport]

Are UFO's real? Are we alone in this vast universe? If there is other life out there in the universe have they visited our planet?

[RoloSport]

These are questions many ask and contemplate. Over the past five-six decades the case on whether or not UFO’s really exist has come to an astounding peak. There are literally thousands of sightings each year reported all over the world.The case for the existence of UFO’s has come from, former U.S. presidents, top level military personal from all over the world, astronauts, cosmonauts, fighter pilots, airline pilots, scientists, law enforcement officials, and of course your average Joe. Are all these people crazy, lying, or misinterpreting what they see?

Credible UFO’s have been caught on video and radar. Even the former astronomer of Project Blue Book Dr. Josef Allen Hynek (many believe this project was the governments attempt to discredit the phenomenon) who was a skeptic in the beginning, started to believe in the phenomenon and did his own research into the subject after Blue Book was closed.

Listen to what former astronaut Edgar Mitchell has to say about this subject.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/C50A9CA5569C45BB8D28FCE6E525A63E/astronaut-ed-mitchell-claims-u.aspx

What do you think?

[wastedyears]

Either welcome, or IBTZ.

[sig226]

You signed up today to post this?

[devane617]

This is a ligit post compared to what we see lately from regulars.

[mountn man]

The ONLY thing in forum. I smell troll.

[Darth Republican]

[Gator113]

“Klaatu barada nikto”

IBTZ

[Gator113]

“Klaatu barada nikto”

IBTZ

[GLDNGUN]

What do I think? I think you should tell us what he said and when he said it.

[TomasUSMC]

Well what if they are pig based entities, hate abortion and illegal immigration?

[RaceBannon]

I believe in UFO’s

I started doubting when people started to call them something other than a UFO

[Gator113]

I’m not worried, they are only going to probe the libs and eat all of the democrats. They will get along with us normal folks.

[Snurple]

[B-Chan]

"I made this" -- the poster, that is -- when I was working for the company behind the X-Files Fan Club many moons ago. Although you can't see it on screen, I even duplicated the thumbprint found on the original photo print.

[GoldStandard]

Dennis Kucinich joined FreeRepublic today?

[bobby.223]

c’mon, say somethin’......it’s okay, go ahead...

[rond]

“Klaatu barada nikto”

So it wasn't "Klaatu Barack Obama"? So confused ...

[EAGLE7]

Usually, I try to post a comical response to threads such as these but in all seriousness the possibility that we may have been visited is interesting. However, I tend to agree with Carl Sagan when he stated that “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”. As far as I know no such proof has been put forth. If, as Dr. Mitchell claims, that the response of most people to the release of this proof would be, “Ho-hum”, then why not release this proof? Why keep it secret.

I tend to not believe Dr. Mitchell because, like other far-fetched claims, it would take a large number of people to keep this secret. The law of averages would have that at least some would have come forward with CREDIBLE proof of such a reality. As far as Dr. Mitchell.....he seems to be a bit out there (not referring to the moon). He believes in the paranormal as well as mental healing and claims a friend helped heal him of cancer through mental power for a far distance. Forgive my skepticism, but I don’t think Dr. Mitchell is that ‘extraordinary proof’ Carl Sagan was referring to.

[Snurple]

[Dallas59]

WOW Signal

[devere]

No doubt UFOs are real -— and they are really “unidentified”. So far no one has any reliable evidence what they are.

[I see my hands]

"What do you think?"

Since you asked: I think hocus-pocus Earthlings hinder the advance of mankind.

(Please note that I did not ask what you think.)

[onedoug]

In 1966 I tossed a garbage can lid into the air and snapped some photos of it. To date those are still the best “UFO” images I’ve yet seen.

[Darth Republican]

Cool. Any other stuff you can lay on us old, lamented X-philes?

[Gator113]

I wish I had thought of that. ; >)

[StolarStorm]

I tend to not believe Dr. Mitchell because, like other far-fetched claims, it would take a large number of people to keep this secret

I always find it amusing when this argument is used since its not really a secret .. the "large" number of people either didn't try to keep it secret or didn't succeed.

I am a space brat... I grew up right next door to JSC-NASA... a few hundred feet in fact. My neighbors were astronauts. My father just retired from Mission Control as the longest serving member at Nasa.

I myself work at JSC for a few years out of college.

Most in the community know that we have some kind of visitors. The information is widespread. Its not a secret.

Its just that no one believes anyone (who isn't part of the community that is) because the "physical proof" is handled well... and that doesn't take a "large number of people" to control.

I can tell you all sorts of stories and info, but why bother. I'd just get insulted or attacked by skeptics. So... that's a control mechanism as well.

And I, nor my father (as far as he's told me) have ever been told to keep this stuff secret. There's no point... as long as the physical evidence is secured... people will believe what they want.

[EAGLE7]

Again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

[matthew fuller]

"However, I tend to agree with Carl Sagan when he stated that “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”."

Did the Great Oracle state this when he was trying to prohibit the publication of Immanuel Velikovsky's books?

[EAGLE7]

“Did the Great Oracle state this when he was trying to prohibit the publication of Immanuel Velikovsky’s books?”

Just looked up ol’ Velikovsky in Wikipedia. Man, I gotta apologize for saying Dr. Mitchell is ‘way out there’. Please don’t tell me people actually believe that stuff.

[calex59]

I tend to discount most UFO sightings and would say no there are no visitors except for one piece of "extraorinary" evidence that people always claim is lacking. The foo fighters of WWII, seen and described by pilots on both sides of the war, they were very small, about 2ft or so in diameter and very fast, flying without any visible means of propulsion.

No one has ever explained those, they were not German super weapons, or allied either. No one ever took a picture of them because the cameras on fighters were gun cameras and no one could get behind one long enough to shoot at them.

Germans thought they were American made, Americans thought they were German made. Turns out they weren't made by either side.

This info is out there but has never been widely discussed or delved into and this is what makes me think, as Mulder would say, "The truth is out there". Seriously, they do keep me wondering.

[StolarStorm]

And I've seen it. But you likely won't.

Hopefully, some administration will stop treating the people of the this country like babies and let them see it as well.

[Two Kids' Dad]

Then we can learn from them, adopt their stances on abortion and illegal immigration... then cook ‘em up and eat ‘em.

Pig-based alien meat is supposed to be very tasty.

[matthew fuller]

"Please don’t tell me people actually believe that stuff."

I DO believe that the temperature of Venus is as predicted by Velikovsky, and I think the van Allen belts (not positive about that), but he got way more wrong than right. He raised a lot of questions about the frozen mammoths with daisys in their stomachs, way back before cable TV, and had a lot of interesting things to say, about worldwide religious accounts of the flood, for his time.

But you didn't answer the question- did the Great Oracle Sagan come up with that statement when he was trying to prohibit Velikovsky's book(s) from being published?

[Daniel II]

Oh, please.

I grew up in Nassau Bay, TX from 1964 to 1972. My old man flew Gemini XI with Pete Conrad and Apollo XII with Pete Conrad and Al Bean. He was also backup CMP for Apollo IX and backup Commander for Apollo XV and would have been Commander of Apollo XVIII had they not cut the program short.

He says Edgar Mitchell is flucking nuts and just wants attention.

[StolarStorm]

FYI, my point was not to influence ones belief or not. It was simply to make the point that its easy to keep a secret. Secure the physical evidence... that's it.

Skeptics will assume that all photos or video recordings are fake and that all verbal or written accounts are made up. And who cares about believers who believe it all without evidence. Those folks actually help to keep the secret... boundless incorrect information muddles everything.

Control the physical evidence, that's all you have to do. Easy as pie. Those not in the loop will never know one way or the other for sure, and those in the loop don't care all that much if others know.

Mitchell only spoke about it because he knew it would make no difference one way or the other. Believers already believe without proof. Skeptics won't believe unless they are in the loop and if they ever did get in the loop, they become the Mitchells that no one believes.

[Quix]

UFO PING LIST PING . . .

[StolarStorm]

He says Edgar Mitchell is flucking nuts and just wants attention.

I'm sure that's possible. And as such, he may just not care what other's think about him. Therefor he has no reservations about talking about this stuff.

The perfectly sane, don't relish the snide comments (such as yours), and all the mess that comes from discussing such issues. Just isn't worth it. If your dad was still part of the program, I'd have him look up a shuttle downlink tape from 1996.

[JoeProBono]

[Daniel II]

Snide comments? Don't get me started.

Until you realize that Einstein showed (with math even) that one cannot go faster than the speed of light, then there is no point in talking to you.

Like the man said, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.”

Oh yeah, and all of the UFO nuts use Apollo XII as proof that there are UFOs, simply because they saw something following the Command Module after their hookup with the LEM. Turns out that it was one of the fairings that covered the LEM. It was racing along at roughly the same speed, and the sunlight hit it just so, so that it could be seen by the crew. But still, the UFO guys always say to this day that the crew videotaped a UFO following the crew.

Do you believe?

[Quix]

What a wearisome bunch of clap trap . . .

Sounds like you think that 100% of what's in all the physics books is 100% accurate.

I'm sure the scientists before Gallelio sp? felt that way, too.

It's suchhhhhhhhhhhhh an IMPRESSIVE perspective.

[StolarStorm]

Thank you for helping me make my point. And my point wasn’t that UFOs exist or not.

[Quix]

IIRC, Stanton Friedman and some of the rest of us are convinced on reasonable evidence that Carl Sagan was on the government payroll as a debunker.

Real objective job, that. LOL.

[Quix]

Thanks tons.

Much appreciate your first person report.

Please check your FREEPMAIL.

[Daniel II]

“Sounds like you think that 100% of what's in all the physics books is 100% accurate.”

Not at all. But even to this day we can only get electrons to accelerate to 99.99999% of the speed of light. It very much appears to be asymptotic.

“An engineer will tell you that it's an absolute ... like the firmness of the earth.”

Well, that was conjecture. No math to support the assumption.

When we break the speed of light barrier, I will adjust my ideas. Could it happen? Maybe. But Star Trek and Star Wars and warp speed and hyperspace are still science “fiction.”

Personally, I think the universe is teaming with life. Where conditions allow, life will occur. Whether such life is as advanced as we are can't be said for sure. Whether they can visit us or not can't be ascertained either.

Either way, the axiom still holds. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.” - Marcello Truzzi

[StolarStorm]

Oh, I can't resist... even though I'm about to go to sleep.

Of course we can't exceed the speed of light. That isn't necessary for interstellar travel. Just very long commute times...

and also consider, the part that Quantum teleportation (not talking sci fi, look up the research papers yourself) could play in such extended travel.

I'm just glad that there was a cave man that dreamed of the wheel, when the skeptics told him not to bother. We don't know what's possible yet, so conjecture about method is useless.

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.”

And what proof do you have that you are Gordon's sone? (ok, I believe you... just joking ... and making a point... no need to post personal info here).

[Daniel II]

“And what proof do you have that you are Gordon’s sone? (ok, I believe you... just joking ... and making a point... no need to post personal info here).”

Well, it’s not much of a claim. I mean, somebody had to be his kid, right? Besides, I had nothing to do with what he did.

[Daniel II]

“I'm just glad that there was a cave man that dreamed of the wheel, when the skeptics told him not to bother. We don't know what's possible yet, so conjecture about method is useless.”

So far, I have eight U.S. utility patents issued to me with five more pending. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, “If it's such a great idea, why hasn't it been done before?”

When my business partner and I have licensed them to other companies, we always get resistance. My partner calls it NIMBY (not in my back yard). It's actually NIH (not invented here).

[Finny]

[Mitchell] believes in the paranormal ...

I believe in God. I believe in love. I believe in the wisdom of charity.

But I no more believe in the paranormal than I believe in math. I know math is real, the same way I know paranormal phenomenon is real.

Ten centuries ago, the majority of the world's people had never laid eyes on the ocean, so it's certain that many thought stories of its existence were either false or exaggerated. Those who had actually seen the ocean could only shrug and smile; it's the same with those of us who have actually experienced paranormal phenomenon. We can only shrug and smile at people who think that "belief" has anything to do with whether it exists or not.

[Bon mots]

Thanks!
Good story.

[Las Vegas Dave]

...it's the same with those of us who have actually experienced paranormal phenomenon. We can only shrug and smile at people who think that "belief" has anything to do with whether it exists or not.

Either you "know, or don't know", belief has nothing to do with it.

Finny, thanks for posting.